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Post by James on Jan 30, 2008 18:52:01 GMT -5
Messi is very very very good, second best player in the worls IMO, Gudjohnson is av. Saw Messi play over here against Aus recently, he is basically the next coming of Maradonna, seriously.
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Jan 30, 2008 20:04:50 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 20:04:50 GMT -5
That Kaka sucks comment was said in jest, and you seemed to like it so it worked! I hate Kaka because of what he did to us in the Champions League. He single-handedly raped us lol. Well, him and Gattuso anyway. Gattuso stopped every attack and Kaka spear-headed every attack. He's a sick player, no doubt. Anyway, neither Rooney nor Ronaldo is overrated. Ronaldo has scored 25 goals in his last 21 games, or some record like that, and he's doing it from the right wing! Striker's don't even have that kind of goal record, it's absolutely insane. As for Rooney, there is no doubt that he is one of the most feared players around because of what he can do. Bring him on and if he's not scoring goals he's creating them. He takes defenders away for others to get into better positions too. He's the perfect supporting striker. The only thing I can say against him as a player is his attitude, because it causes him to make rash challenges etc that often gets him carded, but other than that, he's fantastic. Manchester's offensive scheme has always led to wingers having high goal scoring. i.e. Giggs, Solsjkaer, etc. They may be listed as wingers, but similar to Real Madrid's scheme, wingers play just as up as strikers. I'm not saying Ronaldo sucks, but he's overrated. I think it's all mostly hype, he doesn't strike me as "wow" this guy is amazing, the way Zidane did, or even Ronaldinho before all the fame got to his head and he went to shit. atleast the times ive seen him play anyways. As for Rooney, sure he's good when he's not injured, but he's not the best striker even on his own team. Giggs has never scored as many as Ronaldo, even in his prime, and Ronaldo is still a couple of years off his prime. Solskjaer was primarily a striker, and only sometimes played on the wing. When he scored though, he was a pure striker, deadly too. Ronaldo actually plays purely on the wing and is never a striker, which is what makes his goal scoring record this season unmatchable. I don't see how he can be overrated. I'll admit, sometimes he shows off too much, and the final product isn't always there, but when he's playing well, he's often the best player on the pitch. He might not have the wow factor to you if you've seen players like Zidane and Ronaldinho play a lot, but in the English game, Ronaldo is one of the very few players that plays with flair. Not many players over here do the stepovers and dribbling skills, which is what wows a lot of people over here, and the fact that he's now scoring in ridiculous figures justifies his reputation imo. As for Rooney, he is by far the best striker on the team. Tevez is great, very similar to Rooney, but not as good as he is. Dong Fang Zhou is so raw he's barely considered in the 1st team. And Saha sucks, I honestly hate him. He's so unclinical it's not even funny. And yeah, he's had a lot of injuries recently, but it's not like he doesn't want to play or that he pussies out of matches, he's always hungry to play and he's always hungry for the ball. What makes him stand out for me is his all round game. He's not a goal poacher like Van Nistelrooy is/was, so he'll never score as many goals as him, but his play outside the box, and his effort all over the pitch is refreshing to see. The money, fame etc, really hasn't gone to his head. All he wants to do is play football, and when he gets the chance to, he shines. Every time.
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Jan 30, 2008 20:08:20 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 20:08:20 GMT -5
Messi is very very very good, second best player in the worls IMO, Gudjohnson is av. Saw Messi play over here against Aus recently, he is basically the next coming of Maradonna, seriously. I'm 30 games through my Newcastle United Manager Mode on 360. Have only signed Wesley Snijder from Real as my central midfielder. Martins, Owen and Dukes are getting it down up forward. Messi is fantastic, and yes Eidur G is nothing special at all. In a recent interview Rooney was asked who he thought was the best player in the world and he said it was between Messi and Ronaldo. I haven't seen Messi play as much as I would like to, but I've been impressed from what I have seen. Btw, Barcelona are just greedy. It's not fair that they can have Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o and Messi up front. With Gudjohnson on the bench too their attack is just stupid. Although having said that, Henry's not as good as he was and Ronaldinho getting lazy, but still, it's incredible they've accumulated so much attacking talent.
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Jan 30, 2008 20:14:52 GMT -5
Post by cjmjones008 on Jan 30, 2008 20:14:52 GMT -5
Messi is the man
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Jan 30, 2008 20:19:21 GMT -5
Post by duceisinmyheart on Jan 30, 2008 20:19:21 GMT -5
Messi is very very very good, second best player in the worls IMO, Gudjohnson is av. Saw Messi play over here against Aus recently, he is basically the next coming of Maradonna, seriously. I'm 30 games through my Newcastle United Manager Mode on 360. Have only signed Wesley Snijder from Real as my central midfielder. Martins, Owen and Dukes are getting it down up forward. Messi is fantastic, and yes Eidur G is nothing special at all. In a recent interview Rooney was asked who he thought was the best player in the world and he said it was between Messi and Ronaldo. I haven't seen Messi play as much as I would like to, but I've been impressed from what I have seen. Btw, Barcelona are just greedy. It's not fair that they can have Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o and Messi up front. With Gudjohnson on the bench too their attack is just stupid. Although having said that, Henry's not as good as he was and Ronaldinho getting lazy, but still, it's incredible they've accumulated so much attacking talent. After all the injuries Henry is done, Ronaldinho is washed up, and Eto'o is playing in the African cup. Gudjohnsen has actually had a really good season, Messi is amazing. It's not unfair the attacking talent they brought in, it's the attacking talent they brought up, Bojan, Messi, Geovanni etc. Bojan is a name you will be hearing ALOT very soon. Future striker of Spain. As much attacking talent as they have had, Real Madrid has completely dominated La Liga up until this point. Iker Casillas is undoubtedly the #1 Goalkeeper in the world with the way he has been playing. He went 600+ minutes with out allowing a goal until last sunday's match.
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Jan 30, 2008 20:26:53 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 20:26:53 GMT -5
Messi is fantastic, and yes Eidur G is nothing special at all. In a recent interview Rooney was asked who he thought was the best player in the world and he said it was between Messi and Ronaldo. I haven't seen Messi play as much as I would like to, but I've been impressed from what I have seen. Btw, Barcelona are just greedy. It's not fair that they can have Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o and Messi up front. With Gudjohnson on the bench too their attack is just stupid. Although having said that, Henry's not as good as he was and Ronaldinho getting lazy, but still, it's incredible they've accumulated so much attacking talent. After all the injuries Henry is done, Ronaldinho is washed up, and Eto'o is playing in the African cup. Gudjohnsen has actually had a really good season, Messi is amazing. It's not unfair the attacking talent they brought in, it's the attacking talent they brought up, Bojan, Messi, Geovanni etc. Bojan is a name you will be hearing ALOT very soon. Future striker of Spain. As much attacking talent as they have had, Real Madrid has completely dominated La Liga up until this point. Iker Casillas is undoubtedly the #1 Goalkeeper in the world with the way he has been playing. He went 600+ minutes with out allowing a goal until last sunday's match. Well Cech's sucked ever since the head injury so Casillas has a shot I suppose, although in all honesty I haven't followed La Liga much. Being at uni and not having Sky Sports, it's hard to even follow the damn Premier League lol Anyway, big game on Saturday, live on BBC1, Man United vs Arsenal (FA Cup). I can't wait. Do you follow English football a lot, or mainly La Liga? Oh and btw, add two more to Ronaldo's tally. Fuck me: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7210592.stm
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Jan 30, 2008 20:31:49 GMT -5
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Jan 30, 2008 20:41:02 GMT -5
Post by Sheryl Yoast on Jan 30, 2008 20:41:02 GMT -5
Best Player in the EPL
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Post by James on Jan 30, 2008 20:53:38 GMT -5
Blah I don't like La Liga, prefer EPL over it easily.
My top 10 in the world would be.
1. Kaka 2. Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Gerrard 5. Henry 6. Fabregas 7. Ibrahimovic 8. Riquelme 9. Pirlo 10. Ronaldinho
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Jan 30, 2008 20:57:16 GMT -5
Post by duceisinmyheart on Jan 30, 2008 20:57:16 GMT -5
La Liga is the most fast paced fun league to watch in the world and to play in, which is why all the stars want to come to Spain at one point or another.
Next to come will be Cristiano Ronaldo.
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Jan 30, 2008 20:58:48 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 20:58:48 GMT -5
La Liga is the most fast paced fun league to watch in the world and to play in, which is why all the stars want to come to Spain at one point or another. Next to come will be Cristiano Ronaldo. The sad thing is that I can't disagree with the Ronaldo comment. The only thing stopping him imo is Fergie. Ronaldo's already said he wants to play in Spain some day. As for La Liga, I almost completely stopped following it when Beckham started to lose his touch and get lazy having been at Madrid where everyone played lazy football since they were so talented players like Figo and Zidane could pinpoint passes without strikers having to move to get to the ball (I blame Fat Ronaldo's weight issues on this lol)
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Jan 30, 2008 20:59:36 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 20:59:36 GMT -5
Btw, you guys call the Premier League the EPL?
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Jan 30, 2008 21:06:43 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 21:06:43 GMT -5
Blah I don't like La Liga, prefer EPL over it easily. My top 10 in the world would be. 1. Kaka 2. Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Gerrard 5. Henry 6. Fabregas 7. Ibrahimovic 8. Riquelme 9. Pirlo 10. Ronaldinho I can't compile a top ten really because I don't know enough about certain players, but I wouldn't have Henry in it for sure. Doubt I'd have Pirlo (he's too slow) or Riquelme either. Ibrahimovic maybe, but I haven't seen him play enough. Fabregas is having an incredible season and Gerrard is still amazing, so I'd have them in it, along with Ronaldinho because despite the fact he isn't as good as he used to be, he's still up there. Oh, and I'd have Rooney in it Besides, it's hard to do these kinda top ten lists because how can you measure a defender or goalkeeper against a striker. I dunno.
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Jan 30, 2008 21:07:15 GMT -5
Post by duceisinmyheart on Jan 30, 2008 21:07:15 GMT -5
Btw, you guys call the Premier League the EPL? No idea, I know it as "la liga inglesa" in spanish or just plain Premier. I'm more European than American. Yeah, one of the main Spain soccer magazines interviewed Cristiano's mom and she basically said that her son's dream was to one day play for Real Madrid.... personally I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo, I just never did like Portuguese players period, I never liked Figo even though he was on Madrid, but I do like this new kid Real Madrid picked up this season Pepe, one of the best defenders I have seen in a long long time, problem is he's been injured for most of the season. Speaking of injuries.. all the money paid for Robben and he's been injured more than he has been on the field, and when he's been on the field he hasn't shown much of anything. I don't follow the Premier league all that much, I do read up on stories, results, and all that but as to actually watch the games, I don't pay much attention unless it s a Champions league game
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Jan 30, 2008 21:12:04 GMT -5
Post by duceisinmyheart on Jan 30, 2008 21:12:04 GMT -5
Blah I don't like La Liga, prefer EPL over it easily. My top 10 in the world would be. 1. Kaka 2. Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Gerrard 5. Henry 6. Fabregas 7. Ibrahimovic 8. Riquelme 9. Pirlo 10. Ronaldinho I can't compile a top ten really because I don't know enough about certain players, but I wouldn't have Henry in it for sure. Doubt I'd have Pirlo (he's too slow) or Riquelme either. Ibrahimovic maybe, but I haven't seen him play enough. Fabregas is having an incredible season and Gerrard is still amazing, so I'd have them in it, along with Ronaldinho because despite the fact he isn't as good as he used to be, he's still up there. Oh, and I'd have Rooney in it Besides, it's hard to do these kinda top ten lists because how can you measure a defender or goalkeeper against a striker. I dunno. I agree with Henry, Riquelme and Pirlo being taken off that list, they aren't top 10, not right now. Fabregas is amazing, don't get me wrong, but he's not even the best Spanish player(I'd take Villa before him), my top 10 would be. 1.Kaka 2.Cristiano Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Iker Casillas 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Kanoute 7. Eto'o 8. Juninho 9. Vidic 10. Van Nistelrooy
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Jan 30, 2008 21:12:28 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 21:12:28 GMT -5
Btw, you guys call the Premier League the EPL? No idea, I know it as "la liga inglesa" in spanish or just plain Premier. I'm more European than American. Yeah, one of the main Spain soccer magazines interviewed Cristiano's mom and she basically said that her son's dream was to one day play for Real Madrid.... personally I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo, I just never did like Portuguese players period, I never liked Figo even though he was on Madrid, but I do like this new kid Real Madrid picked up this season Pepe, one of the best defenders I have seen in a long long time, problem is he's been injured for most of the season. Speaking of injuries.. all the money paid for Robben and he's been injured more than he has been on the field, and when he's been on the field he hasn't shown much of anything. I don't follow the Premier league all that much, I do read up on stories, results, and all that but as to actually watch the games, I don't pay much attention unless it s a Champions league game Yeah I heard the same story about his mother, although I don't think she should've said it lol. Robben is a very similar player to Ronaldo imo, both great dribblers, both are/were divers lol, but I don't like Robben because he was a Chelsea player haha. How's Heinze doing for Madrid btw? You originally from Spain btw?
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Jan 30, 2008 21:14:22 GMT -5
Post by duceisinmyheart on Jan 30, 2008 21:14:22 GMT -5
No idea, I know it as "la liga inglesa" in spanish or just plain Premier. I'm more European than American. Yeah, one of the main Spain soccer magazines interviewed Cristiano's mom and she basically said that her son's dream was to one day play for Real Madrid.... personally I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo, I just never did like Portuguese players period, I never liked Figo even though he was on Madrid, but I do like this new kid Real Madrid picked up this season Pepe, one of the best defenders I have seen in a long long time, problem is he's been injured for most of the season. Speaking of injuries.. all the money paid for Robben and he's been injured more than he has been on the field, and when he's been on the field he hasn't shown much of anything. I don't follow the Premier league all that much, I do read up on stories, results, and all that but as to actually watch the games, I don't pay much attention unless it s a Champions league game Yeah I heard the same story about his mother, although I don't think she should've said it lol. Robben is a very similar player to Ronaldo imo, both great dribblers, both are/were divers lol, but I don't like Robben because he was a Chelsea player haha. How's Heinze doing for Madrid btw? You originally from Spain btw? Heinze has played really really good for Madrid but he's also been injured, I like him alot. Both parents are from Spain, I was born here though. I have been to Spain either in the summer or winter every year, last year was my first year not going, I plan on going this summer though, but if you ask me if I'm American or Spanish, I'll say Spanish lol
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2008 21:18:25 GMT -5
Messi is very very very good, second best player in the worls IMO, Gudjohnson is av. Saw Messi play over here against Aus recently, he is basically the next coming of Maradonna, seriously. I'm 30 games through my Newcastle United Manager Mode on 360. Have only signed Wesley Snijder from Real as my central midfielder. Martins, Owen and Dukes are getting it down up forward. Messi is fantastic, and yes Eidur G is nothing special at all. In a recent interview Rooney was asked who he thought was the best player in the world and he said it was between Messi and Ronaldo. I haven't seen Messi play as much as I would like to, but I've been impressed from what I have seen. Btw, Barcelona are just greedy. It's not fair that they can have Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o and Messi up front. With Gudjohnson on the bench too their attack is just stupid. Although having said that, Henry's not as good as he was and Ronaldinho getting lazy, but still, it's incredible they've accumulated so much attacking talent. thats my fifa team i 2 fwds gudjohnson and eto and have 4 middies....just nasty offense
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Jan 30, 2008 21:19:47 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 21:19:47 GMT -5
I can't compile a top ten really because I don't know enough about certain players, but I wouldn't have Henry in it for sure. Doubt I'd have Pirlo (he's too slow) or Riquelme either. Ibrahimovic maybe, but I haven't seen him play enough. Fabregas is having an incredible season and Gerrard is still amazing, so I'd have them in it, along with Ronaldinho because despite the fact he isn't as good as he used to be, he's still up there. Oh, and I'd have Rooney in it Besides, it's hard to do these kinda top ten lists because how can you measure a defender or goalkeeper against a striker. I dunno. I agree with Henry, Riquelme and Pirlo being taken off that list, they aren't top 10, not right now. Fabregas is amazing, don't get me wrong, but he's not even the best Spanish player(I'd take Villa before him), my top 10 would be. 1.Kaka 2.Cristiano Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Iker Casillas 5. Ibrahimovic 6. Kanoute 7. Eto'o 8. Juninho 9. Vidic 10. Van Nistelrooy You know I was actually thinking about Vidic when I was making my previous point about defenders and goalkeepers. Imo Vidic is the best defender in the world, and I'm not saying that just because I'm a United fan, I truly think so. He's got all the strengths of John Terry (strong, powerful presence, headers - especially attacking ones on goal), and he also has pace. I also truly think that if he was fully fit, he would've stopped Kaka in that Champions League semi-final. It's just such a shame he wasn't fit and Kaka was able to take advantage. Is the Freddie Kanoute in your list btw? I didn't think he'd be rated top 10. Haven't seen him play since he was in the Premier League for Spurs (and West Ham I think, but can't remember). Also which Juninho is that? It's a solid list btw, although it's strange having a goalie in the list for me - like I said before, difficult to quantify their ranking.
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Jan 30, 2008 21:22:16 GMT -5
Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 21:22:16 GMT -5
Messi is fantastic, and yes Eidur G is nothing special at all. In a recent interview Rooney was asked who he thought was the best player in the world and he said it was between Messi and Ronaldo. I haven't seen Messi play as much as I would like to, but I've been impressed from what I have seen. Btw, Barcelona are just greedy. It's not fair that they can have Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o and Messi up front. With Gudjohnson on the bench too their attack is just stupid. Although having said that, Henry's not as good as he was and Ronaldinho getting lazy, but still, it's incredible they've accumulated so much attacking talent. thats my fifa team i 2 fwds gudjohnson and eto and have 4 middies....just nasty offense Firstly, I haven't played a FIFA game since FIFA 99. I'm now Pro Evo only with football games lol. Secondly, I can see why you'd want Eto'o and Gudjohnson up front, but I wouldn't have 4 attacking midfielders behind them (I'm assuming you've got Ronaldinho, Henry, Messi and Deco there?). I'd play Ronaldinho as attacking the midfielder, then have Henry and Messi as supporting strikers to Eto'o.
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Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 21:24:42 GMT -5
Yeah I heard the same story about his mother, although I don't think she should've said it lol. Robben is a very similar player to Ronaldo imo, both great dribblers, both are/were divers lol, but I don't like Robben because he was a Chelsea player haha. How's Heinze doing for Madrid btw? You originally from Spain btw? Heinze has played really really good for Madrid but he's also been injured, I like him alot. Both parents are from Spain, I was born here though. I have been to Spain either in the summer or winter every year, last year was my first year not going, I plan on going this summer though, but if you ask me if I'm American or Spanish, I'll say Spanish lol Ah OK, didn't know that lol. Whereabouts in Spain? I love Spain, especially the food lol. Went to Madrid last year with my mate, and Barcelona with my gf the year before (although it was a bit more difficult getting by there for me since it's Catalan - my Spanish isn't good enough as it is lol).
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2008 21:33:36 GMT -5
thats my fifa team i 2 fwds gudjohnson and eto and have 4 middies....just nasty offense Firstly, I haven't played a FIFA game since FIFA 99. I'm now Pro Evo only with football games lol. Secondly, I can see why you'd want Eto'o and Gudjohnson up front, but I wouldn't have 4 attacking midfielders behind them (I'm assuming you've got Ronaldinho, Henry, Messi and Deco there?). I'd play Ronaldinho as attacking the midfielder, then have Henry and Messi as supporting strikers to Eto'o. i ran messi on the right and deco on the right with the others in the middle....I run the fast break offense in soccer and those guys are all fast as hell so they can recover well on defense...i've never watched them play in real life but i'm pretty nasty at fifa. My roommate had an xbox 360 and the only game he had was fifa and they are all big soccer buffs so i took my lumps in the beginning but soon became champ of the house. Its really an awesome game.
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Post by Tigertecz on Jan 30, 2008 21:38:27 GMT -5
Firstly, I haven't played a FIFA game since FIFA 99. I'm now Pro Evo only with football games lol. Secondly, I can see why you'd want Eto'o and Gudjohnson up front, but I wouldn't have 4 attacking midfielders behind them (I'm assuming you've got Ronaldinho, Henry, Messi and Deco there?). I'd play Ronaldinho as attacking the midfielder, then have Henry and Messi as supporting strikers to Eto'o. i ran messi on the right and deco on the right with the others in the middle....I run the fast break offense in soccer and those guys are all fast as hell so they can recover well on defense...i've never watched them play in real life but i'm pretty nasty at fifa. My roommate had an xbox 360 and the only game he had was fifa and they are all big soccer buffs so i took my lumps in the beginning but soon became champ of the house. Its really an awesome game. 1) I'm assuming you meant to say Messi on the left, not right? 2) Did you mean to say Deco was fast, or Henry et al? 3) It's a counter attack, not fast break. 4) It's called football
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Jan 30, 2008 22:06:17 GMT -5
Post by James on Jan 30, 2008 22:06:17 GMT -5
In terms of ranking players...
1. Kaka - theres no arguement here, the guy is quite clearly the best in the world at the moment.
2. Rondaldo - Scored again last night and is in the best current form of any player in the world.
3. Messi - Very young, in 2 years he will be on top of this list.
4-10. Form - I think that for the guys ranked between 4-10 it goes on form. Guys like Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o, Fabregas etc... could be as high as 4 however as low as 10.
Martinez, on your list I disagree with having Cassillas that hight, same with Kanoute, Junihno and Vidic. Vidic is solid but I'd take guys like Drogba, Rooney, Van Persie and Pirlo over him anyday.
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Jan 30, 2008 22:15:29 GMT -5
Post by Sheryl Yoast on Jan 30, 2008 22:15:29 GMT -5
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