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Apr 27, 2009 13:27:01 GMT -5
Post by Rocky on Apr 27, 2009 13:27:01 GMT -5
Dan's point makes sense, he just didn't word it right. 2 of those 4 are real people, and they're the ones who became complete players, superstars. Since we went to fake players, we've had stars but no dominant across-the-board guys. Bueno is not. Bigelow is not. Neither are Dwight-type anchoring defenders. Should they be? I don't know, but his point was that we're not seeing the A/A/A-ish stud big in creation drafts and he's right. The Bueno/Bigelow/Blair/Favors examples actually prove that. I actually feel like this is a good thing. Leagues just blow when there are an abundance of bigs. Yeah, I'm not arguing for or against it. I'd like there to be a true superstar, across-the-board guy every once in a while and we haven't had it though because every prospect made tends to have a huge hole. That's all he was saying.
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Apr 27, 2009 13:27:37 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 13:27:37 GMT -5
LOL, what does that have to do with anything? No way Blair is as good as he was in BBS. Favors has like a 50-50 chance at beaing a good NBA player let alone a great player. Your argument wasnt about real or fake players, you said when was the last time there was a dominant big man. yeah my point is exactly that, when was the last time we had dominate big men in this league being created, as fake players. Only two of them, the rest have glaring weaknesses. You cant bring in real players into this argument when i am complaining about fake players, that proves nothing. They are real. The point is we never see great big men anymore. How many real bigs were studs? I still dont buy it. Its about spacing. Howard was a stud. Favors. Blair. Bueno. Its not about real or fake, its about flooding the league with too many similar players, or stud players. It hurts the league
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Apr 27, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -5
LOL, Rory Davis.
Eh, Dan is being nit picky IMO. Doesnt hold weight.
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Apr 27, 2009 13:30:07 GMT -5
Post by DB on Apr 27, 2009 13:30:07 GMT -5
yeah my point is exactly that, when was the last time we had dominate big men in this league being created, as fake players. Only two of them, the rest have glaring weaknesses. You cant bring in real players into this argument when i am complaining about fake players, that proves nothing. They are real. The point is we never see great big men anymore. How many real bigs were studs? I still dont buy it. Its about spacing. Howard was a stud. Favors. Blair. Bueno. Its not about real or fake, its about flooding the league with too many similar players, or stud players. It hurts the league there were more real big men that were studs than their are now and those times were wonderful.
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Apr 27, 2009 13:34:18 GMT -5
Post by cjmjones008 on Apr 27, 2009 13:34:18 GMT -5
4 of the best bigs ever came from one class
Dwight Emeka J.Smith Al Jeff
I think the big man depth in the league is lacking compared to 10 seasons ago but I don't have a problem with it
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Apr 27, 2009 14:25:12 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 14:25:12 GMT -5
How many real bigs were studs? I still dont buy it. Its about spacing. Howard was a stud. Favors. Blair. Bueno. Its not about real or fake, its about flooding the league with too many similar players, or stud players. It hurts the league there were more real big men that were studs than their are now and those times were wonderful. Im not 100% sure this is true, but I like how it is now so IMO it doesnt matter. I like that getting a stud big man is hard and that A- A- A- bigs arent growing on trees. Also, check out Rory Davis Marcus Bigelow Sawyer Verschagen Terric Harrison Diego Alvarez Eduardo Bueno Sam Hyde Kareem Joffer Cory Highlander
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Apr 27, 2009 14:26:21 GMT -5
Post by noves on Apr 27, 2009 14:26:21 GMT -5
Yeah, not a huge fan of this diea. I wish we'd keep the fake players going, but I'll be cool with retro as long as Spence doesn't base their ratings off of real life. BTW, Spence, I should get +10 for the post pad thread. Or two +5's.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:27:51 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 14:27:51 GMT -5
Yeah, not a huge fan of this diea. I wish we'd keep the fake players going, but I'll be cool with retro as long as Spence doesn't base their ratings off of real life. BTW, Spence, I should get +10 for the post pad thread. Or two +5's. I will base skill sets off of real life players, but I will change it up. The studs will be good, but the level of absolute stud-ness will vary obviously. Also, no.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:28:21 GMT -5
Post by Speed Racer on Apr 27, 2009 14:28:21 GMT -5
Spence, can we just not go retro?
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Apr 27, 2009 14:29:42 GMT -5
Post by Rocky on Apr 27, 2009 14:29:42 GMT -5
there were more real big men that were studs than their are now and those times were wonderful. Im not 100% sure this is true, but I like how it is now so IMO it doesnt matter. I like that getting a stud big man is hard and that A- A- A- bigs arent growing on trees. Also, check out Rory Davis Marcus Bigelow Sawyer Verschagen Terric Harrison Diego Alvarez Eduardo Bueno Sam Hyde Kareem Joffer Cory Highlander Joffer FTW. He's amazing.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:30:42 GMT -5
Post by noves on Apr 27, 2009 14:30:42 GMT -5
Meh. If that's the case, I'm not gonna be a huge fan of it. Even knowing whose gonna be a stud at all and whose not will suck a lot of fun out of it.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:30:49 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 14:30:49 GMT -5
Spence, can we just not go retro? I dont see the difference between retro and fake. I really dont. It all hinges on me and how I do the ratings and I dont think I do a bad job. Plus, Id like to see this league go another 25+ years and this is the easiest way to do it.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:31:35 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 14:31:35 GMT -5
Meh. If that's the case, I'm not gonna be a huge fan of it. Even knowing whose gonna be a stud at all and whose not will suck a lot of fun out of it. Once again, you dont know who is gonna be a stud and who isnt. Who wouldve thought that Q would be better then TMac in this version? Its just such an obviously bad argument.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:32:45 GMT -5
Post by noves on Apr 27, 2009 14:32:45 GMT -5
There is no difference if you're not basing much of it off real life. Obviously having someone like MJ or Magic is fine, because we do have guys like Pearson and other guys who are no-brainer #1's, but it's those other studs who aren't as good as MJ but still really good that are gonna kinda screw with things - it makes drafting far less interesting.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:32:50 GMT -5
Post by Rocky on Apr 27, 2009 14:32:50 GMT -5
Hey Spence, Joffer FTW right?
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Apr 27, 2009 14:33:01 GMT -5
Post by Speed Racer on Apr 27, 2009 14:33:01 GMT -5
Spence, can we just not go retro? I dont see the difference between retro and fake. I really dont. It all hinges on me and how I do the ratings and I dont think I do a bad job. Plus, Id like to see this league go another 25+ years and this is the easiest way to do it. You do a really good job, but I just really prefer fake players to retro. I'm not going to go through the details of my argument again, but I just fear that I'll lose interest when we go retro which would just suck.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:33:30 GMT -5
Post by noves on Apr 27, 2009 14:33:30 GMT -5
Meh. If that's the case, I'm not gonna be a huge fan of it. Even knowing whose gonna be a stud at all and whose not will suck a lot of fun out of it. Once again, you dont know who is gonna be a stud and who isnt. Who wouldve thought that Q would be better then TMac in this version? Its just such an obviously bad argument. You said yourself the studs will be studs, meaning whose good in real life will be good in the sim, just some might be better then others. That still means you know whose going to be good....even if the degrees of studness are different.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:33:37 GMT -5
Post by Speed Racer on Apr 27, 2009 14:33:37 GMT -5
Hey Spence, Joffer FTW right? Highlander > Joffer.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:33:51 GMT -5
Post by noves on Apr 27, 2009 14:33:51 GMT -5
I dont see the difference between retro and fake. I really dont. It all hinges on me and how I do the ratings and I dont think I do a bad job. Plus, Id like to see this league go another 25+ years and this is the easiest way to do it. You do a really good job, but I just really prefer fake players to retro. I'm not going to go through the details of my argument again, but I just fear that I'll lose interest when we go retro which would just suck.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:33:59 GMT -5
Post by Funky George! on Apr 27, 2009 14:33:59 GMT -5
Meh. If that's the case, I'm not gonna be a huge fan of it. Even knowing whose gonna be a stud at all and whose not will suck a lot of fun out of it. Once again, you dont know who is gonna be a stud and who isnt. Who wouldve thought that Q would be better then TMac in this version? Its just such an obviously bad argument. I had both bro.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:34:21 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2009 14:34:21 GMT -5
I dont see the difference between retro and fake. I really dont. It all hinges on me and how I do the ratings and I dont think I do a bad job. Plus, Id like to see this league go another 25+ years and this is the easiest way to do it. You do a really good job, but I just really prefer fake players to retro. I'm not going to go through the details of my argument again, but I just fear that I'll lose interest when we go retro which would just suck. Well it is my challenge to win over those who don't like retro. And once again, it will be.... me FTW
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Apr 27, 2009 14:34:36 GMT -5
Post by Rocky on Apr 27, 2009 14:34:36 GMT -5
Once again, you dont know who is gonna be a stud and who isnt. Who wouldve thought that Q would be better then TMac in this version? Its just such an obviously bad argument. You said yourself the studs will be studs, meaning whose good in real life will be good in the sim, just some might be better then others. That still means you know whose going to be good....even if the degrees of studness are different. Did you hate it when we were still using real players? Was it annoying that T-Mac and Pierce were going to be studs but the degrees of their studness were different?
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Apr 27, 2009 14:34:54 GMT -5
Post by noves on Apr 27, 2009 14:34:54 GMT -5
I mean I really really hope I'm wrong, because I'd hate to lose interest and I love this league, but I just can't see it working out as well as fake players do.
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Apr 27, 2009 14:35:12 GMT -5
Post by Rocky on Apr 27, 2009 14:35:12 GMT -5
Once again, you dont know who is gonna be a stud and who isnt. Who wouldve thought that Q would be better then TMac in this version? Its just such an obviously bad argument. I had both bro. Aaron FTW. Did T-Mac end a season with you or did you panick at 35-3 and deal him for Iverson?
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Apr 27, 2009 14:35:30 GMT -5
Post by Funky George! on Apr 27, 2009 14:35:30 GMT -5
You do a really good job, but I just really prefer fake players to retro. I'm not going to go through the details of my argument again, but I just fear that I'll lose interest when we go retro which would just suck. Well it is my challenge to win over those who don't like retro. And once again, it will be.... me FTW PM me about Wachter and say something nice.
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