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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 18, 2009 23:29:55 GMT -5
Greg just doesnt like sports Why do you say that?
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Jun 19, 2009 0:16:37 GMT -5
I guess Ian Poulter is a huge Magic fan and his twitter is devoted to the last game where he just has humorous pictures and captions at the game.
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Post by Matt on Jun 19, 2009 0:20:18 GMT -5
The point is....We let it slip away, inexperience really hurt us last year. Along with some injuries. lmao stfu Still mad your Nuggets got Killed by the Lakers 2 years in a row? Almost every post about in this thread or every game thread is to take something away from the Lakers or to point out what the other team did wrong. The Lakers were the best team from day 1 and we played great when it mattered the most.
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Post by Matt on Jun 19, 2009 0:26:52 GMT -5
old man, just because theres no more Bird or Jordan or Magic's doesnt mean the NBA level isn't "so great" now. In fact there are probably more individually talented players now than maybe 10 years ago. Did I say anything about those teams? But yes, I do think those teams would kick any of this yrs teams ass. The Lakers have a 40 yr old fucking PG who never was more than solid, and a bunch of role players besides Kobe. The Magic have dwight and a cast of rejects. Cleveland is LA east,Bron and role players. The players MAY be more athletic, but thats doesnt mean they're better basketball players. How much basketball do you watch? Paul Gasol, Lamar odom, along side the best player in the game. Gasol is a allstar 20/10 max player guy and Odom is pretty damn good even if inconsistent at times. Bynum has played great when healthy and Ariza has shown up big when we needed him to. The Lakers pg spot has been weak even before the Kobe/Shaq duo, its no different now. We have a great roster that just lacks a decent pg. Lewis, Hedo, Nelson are rejects? All neared 20ppg on a contending team. The Cavs winning is all because of their team defense and offense surrounding Bron and 3point shooters. Failed in the playoffs because there defense didn't come to play.
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Post by Play on Jun 19, 2009 0:27:38 GMT -5
Still mad your Nuggets got Killed by the Lakers 2 years in a row? Almost every post about in this thread or every game thread is to take something away from the Lakers or to point out what the other team did wrong. The Lakers were the best team from day 1 and we played great when it mattered the most. lol not mad at all...But its a fact they are one of the weakest championship teams in the past 20 seasons and you know that.
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Post by Matt on Jun 19, 2009 0:34:12 GMT -5
Still mad your Nuggets got Killed by the Lakers 2 years in a row? Almost every post about in this thread or every game thread is to take something away from the Lakers or to point out what the other team did wrong. The Lakers were the best team from day 1 and we played great when it mattered the most. lol not mad at all...But its a fact they are one of the weakest championship teams in the past 20 seasons and you know that. We were favorites to beat Boston last year but our inexperience and injuries fucked us. Boston also had one of the best defenses in a long time. This years team would of beat last years Celtics. Your opinion on this means nothing. You thought last years nuggets would beat us (a team we swept), same for this year, same with the rockets and same with the magic.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 8:54:58 GMT -5
that team was so amazing the #8 seed Atlanta Hawks took them to 7 games. And they destroyed the Lakers and Pistons That Lakers team last year was not playing any where near the level they were this year and while Bynum didn't put up astounding numbers in these playoffs he was extremely missed last year especially in the finals vs. the Celtics. Gasol and Odom also were on another level these playoffs. I am being completely unbiased when I say this but I think Gasol was the MVP of the Finals and possibly the playoffs. He was probably the most consistent player on the Lakers, even more so than Kobe. That Pistons team last year was also on the decline and was basically the "beginning of the end" of the championship Pistons' teams. I just do not see the validity of this Lakers team being "one of the weakest." They have a deep bench. They have 3 solid PGs who based on what we've seen this year could start on a lot of different teams and as much as you all are knocking Derek Fisher. He is clutch. Always has been. He's Robert Horry never does shit during the season, then come playoff time puts daggers in team's hearts. People always talked shit about Horry too.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 8:57:32 GMT -5
Did I say anything about those teams? But yes, I do think those teams would kick any of this yrs teams ass. The Lakers have a 40 yr old fucking PG who never was more than solid, and a bunch of role players besides Kobe. The Magic have dwight and a cast of rejects. Cleveland is LA east,Bron and role players. The players MAY be more athletic, but thats doesnt mean they're better basketball players. How much basketball do you watch? Paul Gasol, Lamar odom, along side the best player in the game. Gasol is a allstar 20/10 max player guy and Odom is pretty damn good even if inconsistent at times. Bynum has played great when healthy and Ariza has shown up big when we needed him to. The Lakers pg spot has been weak even before the Kobe/Shaq duo, its no different now. We have a great roster that just lacks a decent pg. Lewis, Hedo, Nelson are rejects? All neared 20ppg on a contending team. The Cavs winning is all because of their team defense and offense surrounding Bron and 3point shooters. Failed in the playoffs because there defense didn't come to play. I think Greg is just the typical old timer who says "nothing is like what it used to be" which I agree is true, but in a positive way. I can't believe he called Jameer Nelson, an all-star, along with Turkogolu and Shard(two of the best swingmen in the game) "rejects." Really?
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Post by Play on Jun 19, 2009 9:17:45 GMT -5
lol not mad at all...But its a fact they are one of the weakest championship teams in the past 20 seasons and you know that. We were favorites to beat Boston last year but our inexperience and injuries fucked us. Boston also had one of the best defenses in a long time. This years team would of beat last years Celtics. Your opinion on this means nothing. You thought last years nuggets would beat us (a team we swept), same for this year, same with the rockets and same with the magic. Stop with the injuries and inexperience excuses, Boston dominated you guys last year. You could say they were just as inexperienced as you guys. Lets look at the last 20 champions 89 Pistons - NO 90 Pistons - NO 91 Bulls - NO 92 Bulls - NO 93 Bulls - NO 94 Rockets - NO 95 Rockets - NO 96 Bulls - NO 97 Bulls - NO 98 Bulls - NO 99 Spurs - MAYBE 00 Lakers - NO 01 Lakers - NO 02 Lakers - NO 03 Spurs - NO 04 Pistons - NO 05 Spurs - NO 06 Heat - MAYBE 07 Spurs - NO 08 Celtics - NO The only 2 teams i could realistically see you guys having a chance at are the 99 lockout season Spurs and the 06 Heat.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 9:29:48 GMT -5
The 99 Spurs had the best regular-season record coming into the playoffs and had the most dominant duo at the time in Robinson and Duncan and they are one of the "weakest" finals teams ever?
I don't get how any team that has the best regular-season record, makes it to the finals, and wins is a "weak" team.
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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 19, 2009 10:03:22 GMT -5
Did I say anything about those teams? But yes, I do think those teams would kick any of this yrs teams ass. The Lakers have a 40 yr old fucking PG who never was more than solid, and a bunch of role players besides Kobe. The Magic have dwight and a cast of rejects. Cleveland is LA east,Bron and role players. The players MAY be more athletic, but thats doesnt mean they're better basketball players. How much basketball do you watch? Paul Gasol, Lamar odom, along side the best player in the game. Gasol is a allstar 20/10 max player guy and Odom is pretty damn good even if inconsistent at times. Bynum has played great when healthy and Ariza has shown up big when we needed him to. The Lakers pg spot has been weak even before the Kobe/Shaq duo, its no different now. We have a great roster that just lacks a decent pg. Lewis, Hedo, Nelson are rejects? All neared 20ppg on a contending team. The Cavs winning is all because of their team defense and offense surrounding Bron and 3point shooters. Failed in the playoffs because there defense didn't come to play. I was exagerrating to make a point. Gasol is solid, but he is as good as he is because of the dearth of quality big men in the lg now. Shaq is a shadow of his self, still good but not close to what he was. Duncan has declined, especially defensively, Howard is dominant def but still a work in progress off. Odom is an enigma, he can be good but he can also be very avg. depending on hhis mood. I dont consider that great. Ariza looks like he's pretty good, still more a role player at this point though. Bynum has'nt been the same since his injury,if he gets back to that level get with me then. Lewis and Hedo were'nt that hotly pursued from what I remember. seattle just wanted to get rid of Lewis's contract, Hedo was'nt that hot a commodity either on the FA market I dont think when the Magic signed him. Nelson isnt great, someone has to score even on bad teams. Unless the Magic undergo a major overhaul I'd be shocked if they get back to the finals as is. As far as the Cavs go, man they suck. Bron is as close to a 1 man team as this lg gets. Take him away and you're talking top 3 pick.
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 10:14:58 GMT -5
lol Magic are getting back to the finals next year
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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 19, 2009 10:18:52 GMT -5
How much basketball do you watch? Paul Gasol, Lamar odom, along side the best player in the game. Gasol is a allstar 20/10 max player guy and Odom is pretty damn good even if inconsistent at times. Bynum has played great when healthy and Ariza has shown up big when we needed him to. The Lakers pg spot has been weak even before the Kobe/Shaq duo, its no different now. We have a great roster that just lacks a decent pg. Lewis, Hedo, Nelson are rejects? All neared 20ppg on a contending team. The Cavs winning is all because of their team defense and offense surrounding Bron and 3point shooters. Failed in the playoffs because there defense didn't come to play. I think Greg is just the typical old timer who says "nothing is like what it used to be" which I agree is true, but in a positive way. I can't believe he called Jameer Nelson, an all-star, along with Turkogolu and Shard(two of the best swingmen in the game) "rejects." Really? You can think that, I dont care. There's gonna come a time when you're older (if you live that long, which with your mouth I have my doubts)and there's gonna be young superstars and the younger guys then will be saying oh Lebron was overated, Shaq was fat he was'nt that good, Kobe was'nt that great compared to _____. Those Laker teams of the early 90's were good but they could'nt beat these guys etc. And you'll shake your head and realize that it's a what have you done for me lately deal just like everything else. Many of those older teams could beat these teams now, just like many of these teams would be able to beat teams 20 yrs from now. The game has'nt changed that much as you're led to believe. Talent and good coaching still wins in any era.
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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 19, 2009 10:22:06 GMT -5
lol Magic are getting back to the finals next year I'd make a bet on that. Unless they make a big trade or FA signing they wont.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 10:23:55 GMT -5
How much basketball do you watch? Paul Gasol, Lamar odom, along side the best player in the game. Gasol is a allstar 20/10 max player guy and Odom is pretty damn good even if inconsistent at times. Bynum has played great when healthy and Ariza has shown up big when we needed him to. The Lakers pg spot has been weak even before the Kobe/Shaq duo, its no different now. We have a great roster that just lacks a decent pg. Lewis, Hedo, Nelson are rejects? All neared 20ppg on a contending team. The Cavs winning is all because of their team defense and offense surrounding Bron and 3point shooters. Failed in the playoffs because there defense didn't come to play. I was exagerrating to make a point. Gasol is solid, but he is as good as he is because of the dearth of quality big men in the lg now. Shaq is a shadow of his self, still good but not close to what he was. Duncan has declined, especially defensively, Howard is dominant def but still a work in progress off. Odom is an enigma, he can be good but he can also be very avg. depending on hhis mood. I dont consider that great. Ariza looks like he's pretty good, still more a role player at this point though. Bynum has'nt been the same since his injury,if he gets back to that level get with me then. Lewis and Hedo were'nt that hotly pursued from what I remember. seattle just wanted to get rid of Lewis's contract, Hedo was'nt that hot a commodity either on the FA market I dont think when the Magic signed him. Nelson isnt great, someone has to score even on bad teams. Unless the Magic undergo a major overhaul I'd be shocked if they get back to the finals as is. As far as the Cavs go, man they suck. Bron is as close to a 1 man team as this lg gets. Take him away and you're talking top 3 pick. again you are wrong, Greg. I don't know where you come up with these things. Rashard Lewis was the most heavily sought after Free Agent hence why he got a ridiculous contract from the Magic and Seattle was going with a youth movement hence why they got rid of Allen and did not want to re-sign Shard. sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2924228As for Turkogolu when he became a free agent in 2004, sure, he wasn't heavily pursued but this guy won most improved player last year and Kobe Bryant has stated that Turkogolu is a helluva a player and respects him a lot. Coming from the "best player" in the game right now that's a hell of a compliment. Orlando needs to add a straight scorer. If they do not re-sign Turkogolu(which can be likely) they will be heavily competitive in the free agent market. Orlando was one piece away from a championship. They lacked a guy that they could just go to and know he would deliver regardless of the situation. There will be plenty of players in this Free Agent class that would fit that role. If Dwight Howard improves his offensive game Orlando makes it to the finals, again. Yeah, Gasol is only "good" now because there aren't that many good big men in the league now. Right, I can name at least 5 all-star big men in the West alone. Gasol was the sole reason that Grizzlies team was even remotely decent and he put up great numbers over there but that's only due to him being on a shitty team right nothing to do with his skill.
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 10:26:43 GMT -5
The 99 Spurs had the best regular-season record coming into the playoffs and had the most dominant duo at the time in Robinson and Duncan and they are one of the "weakest" finals teams ever? I don't get how any team that has the best regular-season record, makes it to the finals, and wins is a "weak" team. It's comparative, and anyway, it was a 50 game season. The Knicks were 27-23 that year, fired their GM and made the finals. Takes more than 50 games to know how good a team is. The '99 Spurs were by far the weakest of their championship team. It was a major down season because very few teams clicked that year. They weren't amazing at all, though. They were big, and Duncan was dominant. But if you give major minutes to Elliott, Elie, Avery Johnson, Kerr, Rose against any of the past nine champs, you're not going to win. D-Rob wasn't at all dominant anymore.
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 10:30:51 GMT -5
I was exagerrating to make a point. Gasol is solid, but he is as good as he is because of the dearth of quality big men in the lg now. Shaq is a shadow of his self, still good but not close to what he was. Duncan has declined, especially defensively, Howard is dominant def but still a work in progress off. Odom is an enigma, he can be good but he can also be very avg. depending on hhis mood. I dont consider that great. Ariza looks like he's pretty good, still more a role player at this point though. Bynum has'nt been the same since his injury,if he gets back to that level get with me then. Lewis and Hedo were'nt that hotly pursued from what I remember. seattle just wanted to get rid of Lewis's contract, Hedo was'nt that hot a commodity either on the FA market I dont think when the Magic signed him. Nelson isnt great, someone has to score even on bad teams. Unless the Magic undergo a major overhaul I'd be shocked if they get back to the finals as is. As far as the Cavs go, man they suck. Bron is as close to a 1 man team as this lg gets. Take him away and you're talking top 3 pick. again you are wrong, Greg. I don't know where you come up with these things. Rashard Lewis was the most heavily sought after Free Agent hence why he got a ridiculous contract from the Magic and Seattle was going with a youth movement hence why they got rid of Allen and did not want to re-sign Shard. sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2924228As for Turkogolu when he became a free agent in 2004, sure, he wasn't heavily pursued but this guy won most improved player last year and Kobe Bryant has stated that Turkogolu is a helluva a player and respects him a lot. Coming from the "best player" in the game right now that's a hell of a compliment. Orlando needs to add a straight scorer. If they do not re-sign Turkogolu(which can be likely) they will be heavily competitive in the free agent market. Orlando was one piece away from a championship. They lacked a guy that they could just go to and know he would deliver regardless of the situation. There will be plenty of players in this Free Agent class that would fit that role. If Dwight Howard improves his offensive game Orlando makes it to the finals, again. Yeah, Gasol is only "good" now because there aren't that many good big men in the league now. Right, I can name at least 5 all-star big men in the West alone. Gasol was the sole reason that Grizzlies team was even remotely decent and he put up great numbers over there but that's only due to him being on a shitty team right nothing to do with his skill. Shard can be lethal, but he was not heavily sought after. That's why a lot of people panned Otis Smith for the Shard contract. They didn't need to give him anywhere near that much money. Look at the article you posted: "but it's believed to be between $75 million and $85 million over five seasons." Well, he got a shitload more than that. None of that is relevant to how good a player he is, though. Still, I'd say there's no way he's a top ten wing.
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 10:35:38 GMT -5
Hedo is way better than Shard, btw. Not even close. He's a bona fide star. Incredible late game player, great drive, great shot, great passer. The Magic are nothing without him.
The main reason I discount how good this Laker team is, is because they're incredibly soft inside. Utah is even softer, Yao broke his leg, and Dwight can't shoot FTs/has no moves. I think if you put them up against Shaq, Duncan, Ben/Sheed, KG/Perkins from last year, they get dominated. Also because of how much Fisher would have gotten exposed because each of the past ten champs (other than some of the Lakers teams, haha) have had better PG play than the Magic had this series.
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 10:35:41 GMT -5
With Jameer healthy and some internal improvement (ie Dwight learning a dropstep or more), Magic will be back in the finals.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 10:35:50 GMT -5
The 99 Spurs had the best regular-season record coming into the playoffs and had the most dominant duo at the time in Robinson and Duncan and they are one of the "weakest" finals teams ever? I don't get how any team that has the best regular-season record, makes it to the finals, and wins is a "weak" team. It's comparative, and anyway, it was a 50 game season. The Knicks were 27-23 that year, fired their GM and made the finals. Takes more than 50 games to know how good a team is. The '99 Spurs were by far the weakest of their championship team. It was a major down season because very few teams clicked that year. They weren't amazing at all, though. They were big, and Duncan was dominant. But if you give major minutes to Elliott, Elie, Avery Johnson, Kerr, Rose against any of the past nine champs, you're not going to win. D-Rob wasn't at all dominant anymore. I mean that's understandable that was a wacky year but still I have never heard anyone even remotely mention the 1999 Spurs as being overrated. Sure, the average age of the Spurs was like 60 at that time but they had players who played their roles incredibly. Like Elliot, Elie, Avery, and Kerr I mean those are 4 role-player types that any team in the NBA would love to have. To me, that San Antonio team was one of the best teams, not as individually talented but as a whole. Duncan and D-Rob were still sick then and it's not like D-Rob wasn't getting double-doubles and blocking like 2+BPG anymore he was still very good. The '99 Spurs were one of the best defensive teams of all time... but yeah I will agree it was a wacky season so you can't really compare them to other teams but I would in no way put them in the "weak" champion category.
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 10:37:26 GMT -5
Fucking fire alarm at 8 in the morning
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 10:37:42 GMT -5
I don't think they were that weak. But they're sandwiched in between dynasties, going back to the 80s. 80s Lakers/Celts, 90s Pistons, 90s Bulls, 90s Rockets and then the Lakers again. Add in the fact that the other Spurs championship teams were better than the 99 Spurs (imo), and they're comparatively weak.
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 10:37:58 GMT -5
Fucking fire alarm at 8 in the morning FUCK lol, i overslept two days in a row
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 10:38:39 GMT -5
It was a false alarm too
Fuckers
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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 19, 2009 10:47:20 GMT -5
Turk is a damn good offensive player, no disputing that.
I liked him when he was on the Kings, but he's not a good defender. That seperates the elite players from the just good players to me. Unless they are just ridiculous offensively.
I know Shard got a real nice offer from the Magic, but I also remember when the Sonics were trying to move him and could'nt find a taker because he was overpaid. Kinda like he is now. He's a streak shooter, when he's on he can be lethal. But he's a complementary player,not a superstar or close to it.
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