GMGreggor
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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 19, 2009 10:50:03 GMT -5
Yeah, Gasol is only "good" now because there aren't that many good big men in the league now. Right, I can name at least 5 all-star big men in the West alone. Gasol was the sole reason that Grizzlies team was even remotely decent and he put up great numbers over there but that's only due to him being on a shitty team right nothing to do with his skill. Name em
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 10:51:45 GMT -5
Next year, the Magic will have 4 guys that can get their own out on the perimeter, and an animal down low that hopefully has a few more post moves.
I don't see an aging Celtics team taking them out and the Cavs will only compete if they get Shaq or Sheed.
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 10:55:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Gasol is only "good" now because there aren't that many good big men in the league now. Right, I can name at least 5 all-star big men in the West alone. Gasol was the sole reason that Grizzlies team was even remotely decent and he put up great numbers over there but that's only due to him being on a shitty team right nothing to do with his skill. Name em Yao, Boozer, Dirk, Duncan, Amare
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 10:58:24 GMT -5
Yao, Boozer, Dirk, Duncan, Amare feel free to add Al Jefferson to that list.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jun 19, 2009 11:01:10 GMT -5
Rumors are still alive that Amare could end up in Washington on draft night. Needs to happen!
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 11:01:24 GMT -5
Next year, the Magic will have 4 guys that can get their own out on the perimeter, and an animal down low that hopefully has a few more post moves. I don't see an aging Celtics team taking them out and the Cavs will only compete if they get Shaq or Sheed. It's early. Rondo and Perkins are really good players that are getting better. If KG's knee recovers, who knows? Especially since the Celts would've beaten the Magic this year if Pierce had any rest. Next year, if they aren't injury plagued, Pierce will be rested for the playoffs. Plus, the Cavs won 66 and as mediocre a group as they are, they blew huge leads twice against the Magic, and are going to shake things up. It's too early to make any forecasts.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Jun 19, 2009 11:02:40 GMT -5
Next year, the Magic will have 4 guys that can get their own out on the perimeter, and an animal down low that hopefully has a few more post moves. I don't see an aging Celtics team taking them out and the Cavs will only compete if they get Shaq or Sheed. It's early. Rondo and Perkins are really good players that are getting better. If KG's knee recovers, who knows? Especially since the Celts would've beaten the Magic this year if Pierce had any rest. Next year, if they aren't injury plagued, Pierce will be rested for the playoffs. well if the rumors are true that theyre looking to deal Rondo or Perkins to move up in the draft then I don't know about that
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GMGreggor
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Post by GMGreggor on Jun 19, 2009 11:08:39 GMT -5
Yao, Boozer, Dirk, Duncan, Amare Centers
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 11:09:03 GMT -5
Yao, Boozer, Dirk, Duncan, Amare feel free to add Al Jefferson to that list. Dirk's not a big. He may play the 4, but he's a perimeter player and you don't want to talk about him defending bigs. Yao, Amare, Boozer and Dirk are all either bad or horrendous defensive players; all are incredibly soft. Duncan's also not a great rebounder anymore. None of those guys are physical at all, really. For the most part, it's a soft group, pretty bad defensively, pretty bad on the glass. Those aren't the kind of bigs that would challenge Gasol defensively, aside from Duncan. Plus, Al Jefferson can't defend me and just had knee surgery. He's a great scorer/rebounder but man, he's never gonna be a franchise player at all. Today's league doesn't have Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing, Malone, Mutombo, Zo, Kemp. Boozer, Yao, Amare, Duncan of this year would've been second tier guys. Just better versions of Divac, Smits, Kemp, Baker, those kinds of guys.
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Post by Funky George! on Jun 19, 2009 11:09:40 GMT -5
It's early. Rondo and Perkins are really good players that are getting better. If KG's knee recovers, who knows? Especially since the Celts would've beaten the Magic this year if Pierce had any rest. Next year, if they aren't injury plagued, Pierce will be rested for the playoffs. well if the rumors are true that theyre looking to deal Rondo or Perkins to move up in the draft then I don't know about that Ainge said it's not likely, and a team source said no way Rondo gets dealt.
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 11:33:06 GMT -5
Yao, Boozer, Dirk, Duncan, Amare Centers
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Post by OJ the Juiceman on Jun 19, 2009 11:36:01 GMT -5
feel free to add Al Jefferson to that list. Dirk's not a big. He may play the 4, but he's a perimeter player and you don't want to talk about him defending bigs. Yao, Amare, Boozer and Dirk are all either bad or horrendous defensive players; all are incredibly soft. Duncan's also not a great rebounder anymore. None of those guys are physical at all, really. For the most part, it's a soft group, pretty bad defensively, pretty bad on the glass. Those aren't the kind of bigs that would challenge Gasol defensively, aside from Duncan. Plus, Al Jefferson can't defend me and just had knee surgery. He's a great scorer/rebounder but man, he's never gonna be a franchise player at all. Today's league doesn't have Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing, Malone, Mutombo, Zo, Kemp. Boozer, Yao, Amare, Duncan of this year would've been second tier guys. Just better versions of Divac, Smits, Kemp, Baker, those kinds of guys. That's true, but it's a swingman's league now. Bigs were better back then, but wings are better now.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jun 19, 2009 12:45:33 GMT -5
With Jameer healthy and some internal improvement (ie Dwight learning a dropstep or more), Magic will be back in the finals. yup, he's got a ways to go though. hes near useless in the high post unless he has a clear path to the basket. in general he can't do much 8-10 ft away from the basket. i'm not saying orlando caught lightning in the bottle, but they got the perfect matchup in a team with an undersized backcourt and a slow frontcourt in cleveland. a healthy boston would've taken care of them easily, and if they don't blow their team up (ie. dump allen, move up in the draft by trading rondo/perk) they'll once again be the favorites in the east. i don't think shaq's the answer for cleveland but if their proactive in the offseason they could leap orlando as well.
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Matt
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Post by Matt on Jun 19, 2009 15:52:08 GMT -5
We were favorites to beat Boston last year but our inexperience and injuries fucked us. Boston also had one of the best defenses in a long time. This years team would of beat last years Celtics. Your opinion on this means nothing. You thought last years nuggets would beat us (a team we swept), same for this year, same with the rockets and same with the magic. Stop with the injuries and inexperience excuses, Boston dominated you guys last year. You could say they were just as inexperienced as you guys. Lets look at the last 20 champions 89 Pistons - NO 90 Pistons - NO 91 Bulls - NO 92 Bulls - NO 93 Bulls - NO 94 Rockets - NO 95 Rockets - NO 96 Bulls - NO 97 Bulls - NO 98 Bulls - NO 99 Spurs - MAYBE 00 Lakers - NO 01 Lakers - NO 02 Lakers - NO 03 Spurs - NO 04 Pistons - NO 05 Spurs - NO 06 Heat - MAYBE 07 Spurs - NO 08 Celtics - NO The only 2 teams i could realistically see you guys having a chance at are the 99 lockout season Spurs and the 06 Heat. Hilarious. If you didn't think we were better than teams that we beat in the 2nd, 3rd and in the finals, why would you think we are better than any of those? STFU
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