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Post by lock on Jan 31, 2008 23:57:08 GMT -5
I didnt read the international sports portion. Brazil V Argentina is pretty good. They seem to hate each other vastly.
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Post by James on Jan 31, 2008 23:58:57 GMT -5
I was making a point that without so many options to choose from like today one could be entertained very easily in the old days thus soccers growth. And I'm old enuff to kniow a blowhard when I hear one by the way. James, even you would admit Greg's good with the putdowns. I love this. I don't get it? Because he comes across as an incompetent retard and comes back with a line that's not funny, I should admit he is good?
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Post by Dave on Feb 1, 2008 0:01:57 GMT -5
Maniac, I agree that my comment was rather 'brash', however it does have 'some' backing to it. Surely if any other country thought it was even remotely good, they'd play it? And yes I realise some of the rivalries in the NFL are very big and it consumes a lot of peoples lives, but what I'm saying is that with football, real life opinions including politics and religion come into play, so I'm saying that it reflects more of an individuals life personally, rather than it consuming their physical time if that makes sense. I respect what you are saying though and realise that theres no arguing the point because we both have different opinions and neither are going to agree! HOWEVER Gregg, your points are TERRIBLE. It took 30 years to spread...when there was like TV or interenet...fark, don't even know why I bothered discussing this issue with you. It's a lot easier for things to catch on these days, and when I say a lot, I mean it. And LMFAO at your Superbowl comment about it rating higher than the World Cup. World Cup Final = 1.1 Billion Viewers Superbowl = 90 Million Viewers Lol, you made plenty of great points Gregg. World Cup Final makes = 90 million dollars Super Bowl makes = 1.1 billion dollars
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Post by James on Feb 1, 2008 0:06:08 GMT -5
The NFL franchises must be happy.
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Post by GMGreggor on Feb 1, 2008 0:10:36 GMT -5
James, even you would admit Greg's good with the putdowns. I love this. I don't get it? Because he comes across as an incompetent retard and comes back with a line that's not funny, I should admit he is good? Actually, Jimmy, I dont expect you to get much of anything to be honest. I'm undecided of which you're lacking more of, a sense of humor or just plain old smarts.
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Post by James on Feb 1, 2008 0:16:42 GMT -5
Sense of humor to your wit IMO.
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Post by CrazyMike2021 on Feb 1, 2008 1:12:36 GMT -5
This is what i think about this. For the NFL to ever go over there it would take to get young people to play it and like it there. Like in High schools and other things. Most of us like a sport because we were around it or played it. Like here most kids that are in to sports want to play football or basketball or even baseball. Thats why those three are the big sports here. Yes there are some that play soccer and its a great game but not many kids here want to play it and that mean later in life don't want to watch it. Just like over there most kids want to play soccer and that why its the most watched sport over there. So the key is for us to have some one like David Beckham and what his doing for soccer here. Some guys that have a big name here that are getting to that age where they can't play on the same level here anymore but still has something they can show over there. But thats just me.
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Post by James on Feb 1, 2008 2:36:13 GMT -5
You are correct, Mike. There is no current NFL player with Beckham's status (not in terms of football talent however brand name) so it would take multiple players, a few teams and a hell of a lot of money to do so.
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Post by Dave on Feb 1, 2008 3:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 1, 2008 9:04:35 GMT -5
The irony behind this is from what I was told when I went to Sydney is that soccer isn't even Australia's most popular sport.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 1, 2008 9:10:57 GMT -5
Europeans also don't care for American Football. Reasons being.....
1. The name "American" is in front of it
2. From what was told to me they just don't understand the game. For example, 4th and 1 and the offense get's the first down they don't understand what all the excitement is about.
Most of the people at the game in London were apparently ex-pat's and tourists.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 1, 2008 9:37:18 GMT -5
The BAFL(British American Football League) just started in England however and looks to be growing rapidly with a Premier league and League one.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 1, 2008 9:54:50 GMT -5
Rivalries in football are incredible. Our national league is only 4 years old (replacing an older one) and the rivalries that already exist are huge. Our rivals (Melbourne Victory's) are Sydney FC. Seriously, on away trips it gets fucking messy, I'm telling you that. When we last played here, they brought over 500 away supporters. Me and my lads were on a tram going to the game, all wearing casual clothing (English football tradition back in the 70's etc...). Anyway the 500 Sydney fans were together marching to the game when they saw a familiar face on the tram which JUST happened to stop at the traffic lights as they were crossing. They started throwing glass bottles, smashing the windows shaking the tram, trying to get in. My mate got a massive bit of glass to the face, blood everywhere, cops surrounding. Seriously insane. That was just one thing of many that day, and thats for a home match. Football rivalries are tribal, nothing can match them. I know that no one is or has, but please don't compare Yankees/Metz or any other sport where fans paint their faces at games to football ones. Go to McAfee Coliseum wearing the opposing teams color's and see what happens to you.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Feb 1, 2008 10:26:26 GMT -5
I love Raider fans. I was at the Superbowl when they lost to the Bucs and everywhere you went before the game there were 200 Raider fans surrounding 15 Bucs fans taunting them and wouldnt let them out of whatever corner they got pinned in. Then after they lost the game there was a gate they wouldn't let you exit for some reason. It was right behind the section I was in that was 95% Raider fans all of which were trying to kill the security guards for not letting them exit there
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Post by Ebener 12 on Feb 1, 2008 10:30:46 GMT -5
There is no better feeling than being at a NFL game in my opinion. The environment is just thousands of crazy, passionate fans.
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Post by GMGreggor on Feb 1, 2008 10:54:06 GMT -5
Has Beckham really dont that much for soccer here? Has TV ratings gone up? Attendance? I'm asking out of ignorance here because I dont keep up with soccer at all. I know it was very publicized and supposedly would make Americans love soccer but I personally dont know of any guys that have suddenly become soccer fans just because of him. And before he signed and it was plastered everywhere I never heard of the guy anyway.
I've been hearing since I was a kid how soccer would become big in this country. It's been a good while since I was a kid and I still have'nt seen anything that points to that.
Only people I ever see playing soccer in parks are kids and what I suspect are probably illegals to be honest. I just dont think America will ever become a huge soccer nation. We just have our own sports we like more.
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Post by DB on Feb 1, 2008 11:22:05 GMT -5
I hate the raiders and their fans, pig is the only one I like.
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Post by lock on Feb 1, 2008 12:50:12 GMT -5
You are correct, Mike. There is no current NFL player with Beckham's status (not in terms of football talent however brand name) so it would take multiple players, a few teams and a hell of a lot of money to do so. NFL maybe does have a player to carry there name internationally but plenty of the other sports here do. MJ everyone knows him and in Golf Tiger Woods. Just to name a couple of Americans.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Feb 1, 2008 14:50:26 GMT -5
I don't really like the Raiders or anything... all the shit they were doing was hilarious + I hated the Bucs back then so I loved seeing their fans get fucked with
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Post by CrazyMike2021 on Feb 1, 2008 18:35:58 GMT -5
You are correct, Mike. There is no current NFL player with Beckham's status (not in terms of football talent however brand name) so it would take multiple players, a few teams and a hell of a lot of money to do so. NFL maybe does have a player to carry there name internationally but plenty of the other sports here do. MJ everyone knows him and in Golf Tiger Woods. Just to name a couple of Americans. What does MJ or Tiger have to do with the NFL?
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Post by CrazyMike2021 on Feb 1, 2008 18:42:16 GMT -5
Has Beckham really dont that much for soccer here? Has TV ratings gone up? Attendance? I'm asking out of ignorance here because I dont keep up with soccer at all. I know it was very publicized and supposedly would make Americans love soccer but I personally dont know of any guys that have suddenly become soccer fans just because of him. And before he signed and it was plastered everywhere I never heard of the guy anyway. I've been hearing since I was a kid how soccer would become big in this country. It's been a good while since I was a kid and I still have'nt seen anything that points to that. Only people I ever see playing soccer in parks are kids and what I suspect are probably illegals to be honest. I just dont think America will ever become a huge soccer nation. We just have our own sports we like more. TV ratings and Attendance have gone up. I don't think it will ever be super big here but I do think it can be one of the main sports here. I could see it being where the NHL is right now. Plus I know alot of kids that love it. I don't get it seeing that I loved football soo I think they should too but they don't. They still are more kids that love football but soccer is growing here. But its going to take time. I want to see a good USA team in the world cup. But thats jsut me.
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Post by DB on Feb 1, 2008 21:42:05 GMT -5
What really pisses me off now and days, is driving/walking through my town and seeing kids skateboarding and shit. That is all these kids are fucking doing these days, maybe not everywhere else, IDK, but it seems like our town (aaron, mark, pig) is consumed with kids skateboarding and being these punk type of kids. I want to break their boards in half and tell them to go pick up a real sport. That is just how I feel on a totally different situation, but I think plays a lot of rolls into today why the youth does not play sports like they use too. Video games, computers, television, etc, yeah it was around when I was young, but I played baseball, football, basketball, IDK, just different now it seems.
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Post by GMGreggor on Feb 1, 2008 22:41:26 GMT -5
What really pisses me off now and days, is driving/walking through my town and seeing kids skateboarding and shit. That is all these kids are fucking doing these days, maybe not everywhere else, IDK, but it seems like our town (aaron, mark, pig) is consumed with kids skateboarding and being these punk type of kids. I want to break their boards in half and tell them to go pick up a real sport. That is just how I feel on a totally different situation, but I think plays a lot of rolls into today why the youth does not play sports like they use too. Video games, computers, television, etc, yeah it was around when I was young, but I played baseball, football, basketball, IDK, just different now it seems. Thats exactly my thoughts Dan. Just to sidetrack a bit thats why when some guys start comparing eras of modern sports and todays athletes I like to warn tread lightly there. Think about it, in baseball for example back in the pre 1970's from what I've read kids were always out playing baseball,stickball etc. I cant remember when the last time I was out and drove by a park and just saw kids out playing baseball without coaches that was obviously a pickup game. Hell, I really dont see it that much with football anymore either. Basketball now I do see it still. So when comparing basketball to the older eras I'm inclined to agree the game has probably advanced skill as well as athletically wise. But in football and especially baseball man those guys grew up playing all the time. Even if we took todays athletes as is without compensating for the size/speed increases due to working out more,better nutrition,and/or illegal drugs I'm not sure they'd beat the older teams. Those guys were baseball,football players first and athletes second.
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Post by James on Feb 3, 2008 9:00:24 GMT -5
The irony behind this is from what I was told when I went to Sydney is that soccer isn't even Australia's most popular sport. Hows that ironic? I never said it was...
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Post by James on Feb 3, 2008 9:01:47 GMT -5
Rivalries in football are incredible. Our national league is only 4 years old (replacing an older one) and the rivalries that already exist are huge. Our rivals (Melbourne Victory's) are Sydney FC. Seriously, on away trips it gets fucking messy, I'm telling you that. When we last played here, they brought over 500 away supporters. Me and my lads were on a tram going to the game, all wearing casual clothing (English football tradition back in the 70's etc...). Anyway the 500 Sydney fans were together marching to the game when they saw a familiar face on the tram which JUST happened to stop at the traffic lights as they were crossing. They started throwing glass bottles, smashing the windows shaking the tram, trying to get in. My mate got a massive bit of glass to the face, blood everywhere, cops surrounding. Seriously insane. That was just one thing of many that day, and thats for a home match. Football rivalries are tribal, nothing can match them. I know that no one is or has, but please don't compare Yankees/Metz or any other sport where fans paint their faces at games to football ones. Go to McAfee Coliseum wearing the opposing teams color's and see what happens to you. It'd be more dangerous for me to walk though any stadium in the whole of Europe wearing the opposing teams colours than that buddy, no offense. You have face painting and pom-poms at your games. I like cheer-leaders at all but stfu on this point, all your others have been good.
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