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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 6, 2008 10:23:15 GMT -5
for once i agree with dave, in miami who was constantly double teamed and triple teamed by big men... now with Amare and Diaw they won't be able to do it as much... add Nash to the mix and t his is a great deal for both teams.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 6, 2008 10:30:51 GMT -5
In Phoenix, Shaq can rest all he wants as Phoenix will probably get to the playoffs without him, leaving him fresh for the playoffs. Phoenix has lost in the playoffs many people believe due to a lack of size. Shaq gives them an inside presence Phoenix never had. Amare was playing Center and that’s not his position. Gaining Shaq not only makes Amare a better defender, but a better player as well.
Losing Marion is key, but this is a win-win for both teams. Phoenix takes the bigger risk with Shaq being 36 years old, but it’s a risk they need to take if they want to compete with the Lakers, Spurs, and even the Rockets for the championship.
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Post by GMGreggor on Feb 6, 2008 10:40:19 GMT -5
Yea, I think Heat come out ahead long term but for short term it's great move for the Suns. Nash isnt getting any younger so their window isnt real big so why not go for it. They match up very good with the Spurs now and create problems for anyone else as well.
It's gonna be interesting to see how they mesh though. Phx is a running team and Shaq cant do that so some adjustments are gonna have to be made, but overall I think this puts the Suns as the favorite to me.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 6, 2008 11:24:41 GMT -5
Awesome trade for Miami. Wade, Marion, lotto pick should be sick.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 19:41:37 GMT -5
I just don't see Shaq fitting into the Phoenix system at all. Nash pushes the fast break and everyone's down on offense except Shaq.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Feb 6, 2008 19:46:31 GMT -5
I'm watching the Suns press conference now...D'Antoni made two good points. - Showtime Lakers had a 40 year old center running up and down the floor, and that team might've been even better at the break than the Suns. - Shaq will get this team defensive rebounds, and all he has to do it hit the outlet man with the ball. After that, he can stay back and watch the play unfold.
I'm not saying this trade is good for the Suns, but those aren't the worst points.
And though Shaq won't be Shaq, I think he's going to do a very good job. As I was typing this, D'Antoni was sitting with Shaq tonight, and they were watching ESPN. A poll came up that said 70 something percent of the fans on ESPN believed it was a bad deal. Shaq said that made him angry, and he plays best when he's angry.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Feb 6, 2008 19:51:59 GMT -5
and this is something i was thinking about before, is marion going to put up the type of numbers he put up in phx without that run and gun style? did the suns play that way when marbury was their point?
i just remember seeing how far kmart fell off without kidd, i wonder if marion will fall off at all without nash. i'm sure if he does, it won't nearly be as much.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Feb 6, 2008 19:56:05 GMT -5
I think a huge part of Marion's offensive success was being the beneficiary of playing with a great guard like Nash. Alot of points came off of 'oops or kick-outs from Nash. I'm not saying he can't create his own shot, but it's going to have to work alot harder to put up 20 a game.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 19:56:16 GMT -5
So this is official?
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Post by Spencer on Feb 6, 2008 19:57:26 GMT -5
and this is something i was thinking about before, is marion going to put up the type of numbers he put up in phx without that run and gun style? did the suns play that way when marbury was their point? i just remember seeing how far kmart fell off without kidd, i wonder if marion will fall off at all without nash. i'm sure if he does, it won't nearly be as much. I think Marion is a better player overall then Martin. I think he isn't the elite player he becomes in sim leagues, because his handle is mediocre and his shot is worse, but he is a very good player that will be very good as a 2nd option to Wade.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 19:57:32 GMT -5
Holy shit, just saw it on NBA.com, it is official.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 19:58:10 GMT -5
and this is something i was thinking about before, is marion going to put up the type of numbers he put up in phx without that run and gun style? did the suns play that way when marbury was their point? i just remember seeing how far kmart fell off without kidd, i wonder if marion will fall off at all without nash. i'm sure if he does, it won't nearly be as much. I think Marion is a better player overall then Martin. I think he isn't the elite player he becomes in sim leagues, because his handle is mediocre and his shot is worse, but he is a very good player that will be very good as a 2nd option to Wade. I sure hope he becomes this "elite player" you speak of in this league sim leage ;D
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Post by Spencer on Feb 6, 2008 20:00:02 GMT -5
I think a huge part of Marion's offensive success was being the beneficiary of playing with a great guard like Nash. Alot of points came off of 'oops or kick-outs from Nash. I'm not saying he can't create his own shot, but it's going to have to work alot harder to put up 20 a game. He isnt a great scorer. I think he's an 18-10 guy, but thats pretty damn rare for a SF. Also, he will be a SF now, which should also help him because he'll be over to post smaller 3's, and when teams switch and go bigger on him he can hopefully get around them.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 6, 2008 20:00:18 GMT -5
I think Marion is a better player overall then Martin. I think he isn't the elite player he becomes in sim leagues, because his handle is mediocre and his shot is worse, but he is a very good player that will be very good as a 2nd option to Wade. I sure hope he becomes this "elite player" you speak of in this league sim leage ;D Bust.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 20:02:09 GMT -5
I sure hope he becomes this "elite player" you speak of in this league sim leage ;D Bust. **Starts trade thread entitled "Marion and Lewis available"**
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 6, 2008 20:04:16 GMT -5
Still like this deal a lot for Phoenix.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 6, 2008 20:08:15 GMT -5
Still like this deal a lot for Phoenix. I don't. I mean I understand why they did it, but Marion is a much better player then Shaq at this point. I really like it for Miami. They needed to step in a direction to field a team after Shaq. Marion and Wade should get along well, although if either of them shoots more then 3 3 point shots a game it'll be ugly.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 20:14:46 GMT -5
Maybe the Diesel just wanted to go back out West lol.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 6, 2008 20:20:08 GMT -5
Still like this deal a lot for Phoenix. I don't. I mean I understand why they did it, but Marion is a much better player then Shaq at this point. I really like it for Miami. They needed to step in a direction to field a team after Shaq. Marion and Wade should get along well, although if either of them shoots more then 3 3 point shots a game it'll be ugly. Shaq is going to give Phoenix what they always needed, a legit center. They don't need him for the regular season, but come post-season with as much rest as possible, Shaq will come up huge. I think Marion opts out of his contract and tests the market, there will be some teams without a lot of cash to spend next season.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Feb 6, 2008 20:23:46 GMT -5
this is a shit market to opt out and test the market
who is going to have cap? and more importantly, what teams that have owners aren't cheap? i'm very skeptical about memphis using their cap, especially when heisley just said he wants to build through the draft.
and on a side note, i did not understand it at all when guys like gordon were turning down those 50 mm deals. those agents are idiots for worrying about a few extra mil. what leverage will they have now?
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 20:23:59 GMT -5
I don't. I mean I understand why they did it, but Marion is a much better player then Shaq at this point. I really like it for Miami. They needed to step in a direction to field a team after Shaq. Marion and Wade should get along well, although if either of them shoots more then 3 3 point shots a game it'll be ugly. Shaq is going to give Phoenix what they always needed, a legit center. They don't need him for the regular season, but come post-season with as much rest as possible, Shaq will come up huge. I think Marion opts out of his contract and tests the market, there will be some teams without a lot of cash to spend next season. I dunno. Sure, the Suns need a legit center out West, but I don't think Shaq has enough left in the tank to compete out West.
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