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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2008 19:38:39 GMT -5
8 Big East teams
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 16, 2008 19:38:43 GMT -5
IU over UNC please... Eric Gordon, make it happen
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 16, 2008 19:44:11 GMT -5
I got Arkansas over Indiana.
I got Baylor going to the elite 8 and Clemson to the final 4. Obviously this is most likely to change.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 16, 2008 19:45:54 GMT -5
Wisconsin got shafted...easy number 2 seed. They beat Texas!!! Wisconsin can't win on the road they are just so inconsistent You're right, I forgot about that win in Texas.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2008 19:54:23 GMT -5
Wisconsin can't win on the road they are just so inconsistent You're right, I forgot about that win in Texas. Glad you saw 1 college basketball game all year. Big Ten is weak and I'm not a fan of many teams in that conference. Also I don't like Texas that much either. We'll see what happens we should get a BBS bracket on yahoo
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Post by Scott on Mar 16, 2008 20:00:16 GMT -5
You're right, I forgot about that win in Texas. Glad you saw 1 college basketball game all year. Big Ten is weak and I'm not a fan of many teams in that conference. Also I don't like Texas that much either. We'll see what happens we should get a BBS bracket on yahoo I was about to say the same thing about yahoo Dave. If no one else creates one tonight, I'll probably do it. I've gotta watch the NIT selection show though first to see if/where Dayton plays in it.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 16, 2008 20:04:40 GMT -5
Name: BBS Password: bbs2000
for the yahoo league
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Post by Scott on Mar 16, 2008 20:07:49 GMT -5
what's the ID#?
Need that instead of the league name
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 16, 2008 20:09:17 GMT -5
Group ID# 87054
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 16, 2008 20:16:11 GMT -5
You're right, I forgot about that win in Texas. Glad you saw 1 college basketball game all year. Big Ten is weak and I'm not a fan of many teams in that conference. Also I don't like Texas that much either. We'll see what happens we should get a BBS bracket on yahoo Well you mentioned two things on your complaint about Wisconsin. 1. Inconsistent - I guess the only inconsistent thing about Wisconsin is their losing. 29-4, you're right, they don't lose on a consistent basis. 2. Weak on the road - Two losses at home, two on the road. It's difficult to show how they are weak when they have had two big games on the road, and split. Their other loss on the road came to a tough Purdue team. Oh, I'll even add that they beat Texas without one of their top two players.
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Post by Ducky on Mar 16, 2008 20:23:31 GMT -5
I joined.
And Oregon is a 9 seed! YAAAAAA
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Post by cjmjones008 on Mar 16, 2008 20:37:38 GMT -5
I thought the big 10 was the worst conference and Wisconsin was one of the most overrated teams this year. I don't see them beating USC
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2008 20:44:45 GMT -5
Glad you saw 1 college basketball game all year. Big Ten is weak and I'm not a fan of many teams in that conference. Also I don't like Texas that much either. We'll see what happens we should get a BBS bracket on yahoo Well you mentioned two things on your complaint about Wisconsin. 1. Inconsistent - I guess the only inconsistent thing about Wisconsin is their losing. 29-4, you're right, they don't lose on a consistent basis. 2. Weak on the road - Two losses at home, two on the road. It's difficult to show how they are weak when they have had two big games on the road, and split. Their other loss on the road came to a tough Purdue team. Oh, I'll even add that they beat Texas without one of their top two players. They have played shaky on the road win or lose. Against top 50 teams this year they are 6-4 Against 51-100 ranked teams 2-0 Against teams ranked 101-200 16-0 Against teams ranked 201+ 5-0 WEAK....They played no one and when they did they were mediocre. Big 10 is weak too. They are soft they don't rebound the ball well, they don't play very good defense, but they are efficient and take care of the basketball.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 16, 2008 21:04:10 GMT -5
Well you mentioned two things on your complaint about Wisconsin. 1. Inconsistent - I guess the only inconsistent thing about Wisconsin is their losing. 29-4, you're right, they don't lose on a consistent basis. 2. Weak on the road - Two losses at home, two on the road. It's difficult to show how they are weak when they have had two big games on the road, and split. Their other loss on the road came to a tough Purdue team. Oh, I'll even add that they beat Texas without one of their top two players. They have played shaky on the road win or lose. Against top 50 teams this year they are 6-4 Against 51-100 ranked teams 2-0 Against teams ranked 101-200 16-0 Against teams ranked 201+ 5-0 WEAK....They played no one and when they did they were mediocre. Big 10 is weak too. They are soft they don't rebound the ball well, they don't play very good defense, but they are efficient and take care of the basketball. You did not address either part you brought up before. They have not been inconsistent nor have they played poorly on the road. So then you decide to change the subject to who they played. I never once said they played the toughest schedule, so now you are attempting to get away from your earlier wrongs. Though I haven't had the opportunity to watch Wisconsin as much as people like Mark, I do believe they had the best defense in the nation with regard to points per game allowed? Maybe you might be able to help. And I'm sure I'll hear that they slow it down, but in the end of the day, no one allows less than Wisconsin. I also know players like Butch, Krabbenhoft, Landry, etc. can crash the glass when needed. But since I only saw their one game against Texas, my entire view on Wisconsin may be misguided, and I apologize since you are the college basketball guru, and you obviously has a better handle on things.
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Post by noves on Mar 16, 2008 21:07:40 GMT -5
Meh...is it bad that I have all the 11's beating all the 6's?
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Post by Scott on Mar 16, 2008 21:09:31 GMT -5
Wisconsin will be a tough out in the tournament. I have them beating USC. Wisconsin will rebound and defend along with the best in the tournament. They have the big guys to do the little things inside (and board) and they have one of the best on-ball defenders in the nation in Michael Flowers. This guy is a tough defender and slowed down Neitzel a ton in the semi-final game between Wisconsin and Michigan State. They won't make mistakes on offense or defense and will force the other team to make the mistakes that will allow them to win.
As I said, I have them beating USC but still losing to GTown in the sweet 16.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 16, 2008 21:12:14 GMT -5
Meh...is it bad that I have all the 11's beating all the 6's? I have St. Joe's winning, but not the other 11's.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 16, 2008 21:16:40 GMT -5
Wisconsin might have difficulty against teams that can slash to the basketball and have the ability to shoot the 3, a la Kansas in their bracket. But I think Wisconsin's good for a run to the Elite 8.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 16, 2008 21:32:46 GMT -5
I love Baylor, I have them going far. I think Curtis Jerells on any given night can play with the best PG's in the nation.
I would watch the Western Kentucky-Drake game too. Western Kentucky is known for developing big men, and I don't think Drake has anything to stop Courtney Lee.
If Clemson can hit their Free Throws and that is a big IF, then they definitely are a potential final 4 team. Booker, Rivers and Mays can take on any trio in the nation and have positive results.
If your looking for upsets look no further then Vanderbilt vs Siena. Siena shut down Jason Thompson twice this year and I think they will have the gameplan to shut down Ogilvy. One might make the argument that the Saints lack of size will hurt them, I think that it will help down. If they shut down Ogilvy they win the game.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 16, 2008 21:35:08 GMT -5
I was really hopeful that Cornell could pull off an upset in the first round. They match up horribly to Stanford though. Wittman, Gore and Dale are going need to play there asses off and they got to find some way to keep the Lopez's off the boards. Cornell will be a top 25 team next year though so I am not completely upset.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2008 21:36:32 GMT -5
They have played shaky on the road win or lose. Against top 50 teams this year they are 6-4 Against 51-100 ranked teams 2-0 Against teams ranked 101-200 16-0 Against teams ranked 201+ 5-0 WEAK....They played no one and when they did they were mediocre. Big 10 is weak too. They are soft they don't rebound the ball well, they don't play very good defense, but they are efficient and take care of the basketball. You did not address either part you brought up before. They have not been inconsistent nor have they played poorly on the road. So then you decide to change the subject to who they played. I never once said they played the toughest schedule, so now you are attempting to get away from your earlier wrongs. Though I haven't had the opportunity to watch Wisconsin as much as people like Mark, I do believe they had the best defense in the nation with regard to points per game allowed? Maybe you might be able to help. And I'm sure I'll hear that they slow it down, but in the end of the day, no one allows less than Wisconsin. I also know players like Butch, Krabbenhoft, Landry, etc. can crash the glass when needed. But since I only saw their one game against Texas, my entire view on Wisconsin may be misguided, and I apologize since you are the college basketball guru, and you obviously has a better handle on things. 2006-07 5 of their 6 losses on the road. 2005-06 8 of their 12 losses on the road. 2004-05 8 of their 9 losses on the road. Its pretty well known that Wisconsin has to be home in order to win a basketball game which perhaps why they had such a cupcake schedule this season. They are on ESPN all the time so its easy to have seen them play. They were sloppy in a game I saw against Michigan, I know they shot horrible against Purdue, they played illinois when they were on a big skid, and were just manhandled at Duke. If you want to give them kudos for winning on the road against teams like Penn State, Wisconsin Milwaukee, Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana(didn't have a win against top 50 team til conference play). Wisconsin is not a great team. Butch and Krabbenhoft are both soft. Butch numbers diminished as soon as he hit conference play likewise for the guy you deem as their best player Travon Hughes he did all his damage out of conference. I know you know basketball but I also know you don't follow college basketball closely.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 16, 2008 21:38:07 GMT -5
i remember when Chris Marcus was an NBA 'spect out of WKU. That could be a matchup to watch but I liken Drake to Creighton from a few years ago. If WKU can't guard the 3-point line it could get ugly.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 16, 2008 21:51:20 GMT -5
You did not address either part you brought up before. They have not been inconsistent nor have they played poorly on the road. So then you decide to change the subject to who they played. I never once said they played the toughest schedule, so now you are attempting to get away from your earlier wrongs. Though I haven't had the opportunity to watch Wisconsin as much as people like Mark, I do believe they had the best defense in the nation with regard to points per game allowed? Maybe you might be able to help. And I'm sure I'll hear that they slow it down, but in the end of the day, no one allows less than Wisconsin. I also know players like Butch, Krabbenhoft, Landry, etc. can crash the glass when needed. But since I only saw their one game against Texas, my entire view on Wisconsin may be misguided, and I apologize since you are the college basketball guru, and you obviously has a better handle on things. 2006-07 5 of their 6 losses on the road. 2005-06 8 of their 12 losses on the road. 2004-05 8 of their 9 losses on the road. Its pretty well known that Wisconsin has to be home in order to win a basketball game which perhaps why they had such a cupcake schedule this season. They are on ESPN all the time so its easy to have seen them play. They were sloppy in a game I saw against Michigan, I know they shot horrible against Purdue, they played illinois when they were on a big skid, and were just manhandled at Duke. If you want to give them kudos for winning on the road against teams like Penn State, Wisconsin Milwaukee, Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana(didn't have a win against top 50 team til conference play). Wisconsin is not a great team. Butch and Krabbenhoft are both soft. Butch numbers diminished as soon as he hit conference play likewise for the guy you deem as their best player Travon Hughes he did all his damage out of conference. I know you know basketball but I also know you don't follow college basketball closely. I have no idea what the past team's records on the road have to do with their team this season, especially when their big players like Tucker and Taylor are no longer with the team. So to compare records of the past, I find no substance in your overall point. The Duke game, absolutely. Hughes was hit with two fouls early, then was injured, and the rest of the team just fell apart. An early game for a new team in one of the toughest arenas usually results in losses. They played like shit. With regard to shooting poorly against Purdue, show me one team who shot well every single game this season. Michigan, I watched that game (two games for me!), and they played poorly, but again, when do teams play well every game. Great teams win the tough ones. And Illinois was on a pretty nice streak going into the finals today, yet they manhandled them from the tip. But for the rest of the games, they did what they have to do. They don't play a sexy game, nor an up and down tempo, which causes lower scoring and much closer games. But regardless, they did the job on the road against the competition they played (including a number two seed in the tournament). As for the players, of course their numbers dipped when they started playing tougher competition. They had an easy schedule early on, something I have yet to protest. Pop also played with a sprain wrist and ankle for a majority of the season, yet still did well. And if you call Krabbenhoft soft, you have obviously not watched a Wisconsin game, and for this, I now understand your prior arguments about poor defense, terrible rebounding, etc. Either way, I am not saying Wisconsin is going out in the first round or winning a championship, but I just didn't buy the lack of respect they received by getting a third seed.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 16, 2008 21:53:18 GMT -5
You're completely wrong about Wisconsin. First of all, referencing the previous three years means nothing seeing as that team was Alando Tucker and Kam Taylor, two players who defined those teams and are not on this year's squad. Secondly, you beat Texas on the road, then you're exempt from any road criticism. They won at Texas, and at Indiana. They flat out did not lose games this year. They did not have a single bad loss all season. They're an elite defensive team, and have two stud guards defensively. Flowers is superb.
All of those negative points you referenced can be thrown out there for any team. Did you watch Georgetown play? Could they have had a shakier season? The fact is, Wisconsin lost twice on the road this season. Twice. It's idiotic to say that they need to be at home, since their best win of the season was at Texas without arguably their best player. They're not going to win the title, but it's a really, really good team, and you're reaching to find negatives. Your road win/loss totals is such a weak stat I'm surprised you threw that out there. Wow, who gives a shit? Team's lose on the road. This team lost two of four games on the road. Does that go in line with your numbers at all? Stupid stat to reference, really stupid.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 16, 2008 21:54:40 GMT -5
Seriously, weak defensive team? You're joking, right?
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