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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 12:51:06 GMT -5
In my money league's he has gone 10, 10 and 11. Chris Johnson, and Fitz went in front of him on all 3.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 26, 2009 12:51:27 GMT -5
I thought that was clear to him.. guess not. and yes I DeAngelo would not only go top 10 for me.. .he's a top 5 player and to me is the 3rd best RB behind Turner and AP. I know Johnathan Stewart is there but he's injury prone(already injured during pre-season) and some of the runs Deangelo has been having have been incredible. Not a big fan of Forte, Westbrook would be the #3 if he can stay healthy(which I highly doubt) and I'm a huge fan of MJD but he's #4 for me. If Stewart would happen to go down DeAngelo would be a SICK top 5 pick. I have nothing against him, but I think most people stay away from him in the middle 1st round just because of the touches factor. why wouldn't he get the touches? Stewart will get touches, but not at the expense of Williams. You think AP's value takes a hit because Chester Taylor "takes away" touches from him from time to time? Not going to happen. Johnathan Stewart is a zero factor, in my opinion, when drafting Deangelo Williams.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 12:56:07 GMT -5
If Stewart would happen to go down DeAngelo would be a SICK top 5 pick. I have nothing against him, but I think most people stay away from him in the middle 1st round just because of the touches factor. why wouldn't he get the touches? Stewart will get touches, but not at the expense of Williams. You think AP's value takes a hit because Chester Taylor "takes away" touches from him from time to time? Not going to happen. Johnathan Stewart is a zero factor, in my opinion, when drafting Deangelo Williams. Peterson Carries: 363 (78% of carries) Chester Taylor: 101 DeAngelo Williams: 273 (59% of carries) Jonathon Stewart: 184 I use that formula alot when I'm deciding between guys and I have no idea how you could say it's a 0 factor. Sure the receiving game makes up for some of it but the idea of my #1 pick getting less than 60% of the teams carries is scary.
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Post by Rocky on Aug 26, 2009 13:04:36 GMT -5
The problem with Williams is I read some stat recently that brokedown his games when Stewart played, and when he didn't play. It's not an exact science because who knows, he could have just been feeling better the days that it was just him. But anyway, he dominated when he didn't have to share with Stewart, and now Stewart is healthy. Who knows, he'll still be an absolute beast because he'll break TD runs out from 25 yards.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 26, 2009 13:06:38 GMT -5
The problem with Williams is I read some stat recently that brokedown his games when Stewart played, and when he didn't play. It's not an exact science because who knows, he could have just been feeling better the days that it was just him. But anyway, he dominated when he didn't have to share with Stewart, and now Stewart is healthy. Who knows, he'll still be an absolute beast because he'll break TD runs out from 25 yards. I agree Stewart is a much better talent than Taylor(not to take anything away from him) but I don't think it affects him enough to not make him a 1st round pick. Stewart is also NOT healthy and at this point my miss the start of the season. Carolina does have a much tougher schedule than last year as well but they will also have delhomme and Smith healthy and not suspended(hopefully) at the start of the season.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 13:08:43 GMT -5
That's actually kind of bizarre, you would think when he was fresh in games he would do alot better. That's definitely how Taylor/MJD helped, complimenting each other well too. I guess in another way it makes sense though, he's a guy that gets going as he gets in a groove and gets in a rhythm with how he's being defended and breaks the big one.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 13:10:40 GMT -5
I think a guy like Frank Gore is even a decent pick over Williams, mainly because of the fact that Gore will be one of the few horse RB's this year, carrying their offense. Williams could definitely pay off, Gore is just the safer pick to me, and I think a key in fantasy leagues is staying safe the first couple rounds. You gotta find he steals later.
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Post by Play on Aug 26, 2009 13:20:49 GMT -5
Forte>>>All
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Post by Rocky on Aug 26, 2009 13:22:25 GMT -5
I've got Forte #1 in PPR leagues
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 13:24:27 GMT -5
MJD Baby!!
Forte's a beast if he can stay healthy, but that will be tough if they work him like they did last year. Cutler is being heralded as a God around here.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 26, 2009 13:27:09 GMT -5
The problem with Williams is I read some stat recently that brokedown his games when Stewart played, and when he didn't play. It's not an exact science because who knows, he could have just been feeling better the days that it was just him. But anyway, he dominated when he didn't have to share with Stewart, and now Stewart is healthy. Who knows, he'll still be an absolute beast because he'll break TD runs out from 25 yards. Stewart didn't miss any games last year.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 26, 2009 13:30:56 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 26, 2009 13:31:32 GMT -5
I mean, it's just insane to be down on DeAngelo's value. He's an explosive player that keeps getting better, and whether Stewart gets 10 or 15 touches, it just doesn't matter. We're talking about a guy who averaged 5.5 YPC and had 20 touchdowns last year. Do you guys actually think the Panthers would ever work away from that? His second half was one of the best 8 game stretches ever. He's gonna get more touches and more chances to make plays, especially with Stewart's injury.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 26, 2009 13:34:57 GMT -5
Especially with Forte, I'd hope his receptions don't decrease this year because there's no way he keeps pace with other first-rounders if they do. Fact is, new offense or not, Cutler with throw downfield more often than Orton did, and if that detracts from Forte's receptions, Williams blows past him.
I'd also beware with MJD. There's no way his receptions don't take a huge hit with Garrard being able to air it out to a wide open Williamson all day.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 26, 2009 13:36:04 GMT -5
Fortunately, I have none of these players and have a talentless fantasy team.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Aug 26, 2009 14:18:45 GMT -5
DeAngelo Williams should go top 5 in most leagues... he was incredible last year.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Aug 26, 2009 14:19:59 GMT -5
take Stewart has a handcuff though... he's a 1200-1300 yard back if Williams goes down
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 14:40:30 GMT -5
Especially with Forte, I'd hope his receptions don't decrease this year because there's no way he keeps pace with other first-rounders if they do. Fact is, new offense or not, Cutler with throw downfield more often than Orton did, and if that detracts from Forte's receptions, Williams blows past him. I'd also beware with MJD. There's no way his receptions don't take a huge hit with Garrard being able to air it out to a wide open Williamson all day. I can feel the sarcam. I would not expect MJD's receptions to suffer, if at all. They keep preaching getting him touches, he's not going to run the ball 30 times a year now, just cuz he's "the man." in Jax right now, with Taylor gone. But he is still who our offense will be focused around. Del Rio repeats that all the time. And that will usually involve alot of screen plays, Jags even ran way more than usual in training camp this year too. So who knows
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 26, 2009 14:47:30 GMT -5
Especially with Forte, I'd hope his receptions don't decrease this year because there's no way he keeps pace with other first-rounders if they do. Fact is, new offense or not, Cutler with throw downfield more often than Orton did, and if that detracts from Forte's receptions, Williams blows past him. I'd also beware with MJD. There's no way his receptions don't take a huge hit with Garrard being able to air it out to a wide open Williamson all day. I can feel the sarcam. I would not expect MJD's receptions to suffer, if at all. They keep preaching getting him touches, he's not going to run the ball 30 times a year now, just cuz he's "the man." in Jax right now, with Taylor gone. But he is still who our offense will be focused around. Del Rio repeats that all the time. And that will usually involve alot of screen plays, Jags even ran way more than usual in training camp this year too. So who knows I was being sarcastic! I'm expecting him to be a beast this year.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 14:49:28 GMT -5
I can feel the sarcam. I would not expect MJD's receptions to suffer, if at all. They keep preaching getting him touches, he's not going to run the ball 30 times a year now, just cuz he's "the man." in Jax right now, with Taylor gone. But he is still who our offense will be focused around. Del Rio repeats that all the time. And that will usually involve alot of screen plays, Jags even ran way more than usual in training camp this year too. So who knows I was being sarcastic! I'm expecting him to be a beast this year. Haha, you have to be mocking me but I'm never sure with you. He's got the chance to be a #2 guy this year, behind Holt who won't get more than 1000, if that.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Aug 26, 2009 14:52:45 GMT -5
well if Troy Williamson keeps up his preseason pace over 4 quarters we are looking at least 2000 yards
Holt FTL
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 26, 2009 14:53:21 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic! I'm expecting him to be a beast this year. Haha, you have to be mocking me but I'm never sure with you. He's got the chance to be a #2 guy this year, behind Holt who won't get more than 1000, if that. No, why would I be mocking you? I think he's gonna have a breakout season, have 50+ receptions and get 50 more carries than he did last season.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Aug 26, 2009 14:53:33 GMT -5
MJD is a fucking bum btw
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 14:58:36 GMT -5
Haha, you have to be mocking me but I'm never sure with you. He's got the chance to be a #2 guy this year, behind Holt who won't get more than 1000, if that. No, why would I be mocking you? I think he's gonna have a breakout season, have 50+ receptions and get 50 more carries than he did last season. Pretty fair assessment. I know you probably don't give a shit but the whole jaguars season basically depends on him, plus if he goes down they got nothing. He's gotta establish the run in games like Fred would do. Alright, now I'm done talking about the jaguars for a while. promise
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Post by Rocky on Aug 26, 2009 16:46:48 GMT -5
The problem with Williams is I read some stat recently that brokedown his games when Stewart played, and when he didn't play. It's not an exact science because who knows, he could have just been feeling better the days that it was just him. But anyway, he dominated when he didn't have to share with Stewart, and now Stewart is healthy. Who knows, he'll still be an absolute beast because he'll break TD runs out from 25 yards. Stewart didn't miss any games last year. Figured he missed games when I read the stat, but I just went back and checked and it was actually based off of 10+ carries: "Second, consider this: Stewart, banged-up a lot last year, carried the ball at least 10 times in nine games last year and, in those nine games, had 678 yards and nine touchdowns. For you slow kids still eating paste in the back of class, that means he scored once per game on average. And in those same games, DeAngelo Williams had 932 yards and just seven touchdowns." sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k9lovehateStill awesome rushing yards, but Stewart stole a lot of his TDs. And since the main reason he was #1 last year were the 20 TDs, that matters.
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