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Post by Ebener 12 on Apr 3, 2008 7:12:20 GMT -5
Wow aar that's the first time I've read that, great job man!
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Apr 3, 2008 8:18:00 GMT -5
I'm basically close to it all... I live in Clark, NJ which is basically Central/North Jersey.
I'm like 20mins from NYC where I work.
I'm like 45mins-1hr from the Jersey shore(also depends what beach though too)
Like an 1hr-1hr and half from Philly.
I hate Jersey with a passion though... I'm not a big big fan of NYC either. I wish I was living in Spain, much more relaxed, to maybe the amazement of some, that's the atmosphere I wish I lived in just chill laid back not really worrying about anything.
I hate cold weather too, which is why I also hate living here but even if I did live in Spain, where I'm from, it's still shitty ass weather in the winter time.
Wish I lived in Florida or something.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Apr 3, 2008 9:50:31 GMT -5
I'm from Aberdeen, Hong Kong. By way of New Canaan, CT, Oxford, MS, Buffalo, NY and Halifax, Nova Scotia.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Apr 3, 2008 9:53:12 GMT -5
I'm from Aberdeen, Hong Kong. By way of New Canaan, CT, Oxford, MS, Buffalo, NY and Halifax, Nova Scotia. Fucking gypsy.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Apr 3, 2008 9:54:20 GMT -5
I'm from Aberdeen, Hong Kong. By way of New Canaan, CT, Oxford, MS, Buffalo, NY and Halifax, Nova Scotia. Fucking gypsy. Hey it pays the rent.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Apr 3, 2008 9:58:42 GMT -5
Ask Haberman, he is the poster-boy for gypsy's as their second job. Guy is paying his second mortgage on his house from the pockets of investment bankers as they get off the train.
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Post by Ducky on Apr 3, 2008 13:35:16 GMT -5
Portland, OR. Born and raised.
Portland is a pretty cool city. If you like Asians and liberals, come on over. Winters suck ass, cuz all it does is rains. But Portland summers are perfect. 80-90 degrees with a nice cool breeze. Good shit.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2008 13:54:08 GMT -5
Can someone DL the paper and post it here? Please?
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What is a basketball simulation league? Basketball simulation leagues are a collective of online General Managers who are given a simulated basketball team that often originates from their current National Basketball Association (NBA) counterparts. The league has 29 General Managers who compete to win the league’s coveted championship. The teams are based on player ratings that are generated through a basketball simulation engine that is available on sportplanet.com for twenty dollars, which also provides the results of each game. The league’s owner or commissioner will often tweak the player ratings to their liking, usually to portray the accuracy of the NBA’s current players and hire General Managers based on their previous simulation league experience or the exhibition of active interest shown in joining the league. The league can also begin in the form of a fantasy draft, where all of the players are available and a draft is held to select each team. In said draft, each General Manager will select players based on ratings and team need until they have either 12 or 15 players on each team. Although this sort of league is rare, it allows players to build their own team, rather than simply inherit an existent one. Once all of the teams are under ownership and formed, the league begins and each team has access to their roster page containing their players and their position, ratings and salary figures. Many leagues will also have player pages to accompany the roster pages, which provide the General Managers with the various player’s ratings, achievements, contract and salary details, career highs and past season averages. The league functions primarily through operations conducted via the message board, which include lineup or depth chart submissions, trade talks, completed trades, articles, off topic conversation (which often spirals out of control), free agent signings and position changes. How each simulation game works The league’s owner will choose when each game is simulated based on his or her own real life schedule or their convenience in some cases. Each simulated game derives from the depth charts submitted by each team through the league’s message board or in some cases, a web form. The league’s owner will input the submitted lineups into the Fast Break Basketball engine and simulate each day. In most cases, simulation periods will be done in groupings of 5 to 10 days, so that the General Managers get a better feel for how their different players are performing. The owner will upload the box scores for each game and a summary of each day onto the web server and the post the results on the message board. Each General Manager will usually comment on the results and what they are looking to change. Certain General Managers will go as far as providiing a game-by game analysis of each simulated game. After their assessments, they will either make changes to their depth chart or leave it as it is for the next simulation. How trading works General Managers are usually available via AOL Instant Messenger or by way of the private messaging function through the message boards. The difference is notable, as AOL Instant Messenger is a real-time chat client and allows General Managers to manoeuvre trades more quickly and efficiently, whereas sending messages through the message boards can take minutes, hours or even days before a response is issued. To initiate trades, there is often a message board section called “trade talk” that allows the General Managers to shop the players as trade bait for improving their team. After a General Manager sees a player that they are interested in is available, they will send a message to the corresponding General Manager issuing a trade proposal or will express interest via the message boards to gauge how much the other General Manager values that player. Once the two General Managers have reached an agreement, they must insure that the trade works according to the salary cap rules, which are the same as those set forth by the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement. The agreement states that teams over the salary cap must match salaries with 15% of the higher salaries being traded and if a team is under the salary cap limit, they must match the contracts exactly or whatever difference the team with salary cap can afford. Once a trade is agreed upon and the salary figures work under the CBA (collective bargaining agreement), the trade is posted in the “completed trades” thread and processed by the league’s commissioner or owner. The trade will reflect on each team’s roster page once they are updated, which is usually after each simulation period. After the trade is posted on the message board, the league’s other General Managers will often state their opinions on the trade and whom they believe it favours. Different General Managers can often give a harsh assessment of the trade, referring to it as a “rape” or a “fleecing” and will occasionally call for the trade to be rescinded or call for the General Manager who got the worse end of the deal to be fired. This has happened recently with a General Manager named “Jack” who made continuous bad trades and was given the ultimatum of winning two out of the three games he faced in a simulation period or resign from his position. Jack overcame the odds placed against him and won two out of the three games, including a win over the Suns, the team who were said to have gotten the better end of their trade. PrinceMaharajah, the General Manager for the Dallas Mavericks says that, “you have to know how to convince other GMs (General Managers) that a trade is just as good for them as for you and then you need to know what to do with those players. It's a little like chess. You always have to be thinking 3 steps ahead.” KGvsMalibuStacey, the General Manager for the Orlando Magic states that his favourite part of simulation leagues is trading, “I'm a fan of the trading aspect of sim (simulation) leagues, merely for the competitive nature it has. Each party always wants certain components in a trade and often fight tooth and nail to come out on top. Through constructive negotiation, agreement is often reached. That's pretty amazing, without seeing someone face-to-face, for something that ultimately has no bearing on day-to-day life.” Over 90% of the General Managers’ questionnaires indicate that they have stayed up late to work out trades and some of them blame the fact that three of the General Managers live in Australia. The Nothing But Net (NBN) League’s History The NBN is currently in the year 2016 and has a significant legacy behind it. The league only has two original members, oakes, the Golden State Warriors’ General Manager and tx Dukester, the Detroit Pistons’ General Manager. WillC, the league’s owner and commissioner is not the original commissioner as he took the league over from a former General Manager named Mark. The NBN is a very established league, containing a hall of fame and official rulebook. The league contains a rich legacy, which includes basketball players who are still in high school or are budding international players in real life. The NBN’s main page also consists of the all-time season and career records for the league, which shows how far the league’s players have come. Many of the players who have retired from the league are still yet to play an NBA game. Being a member of the NBN ranks a General Manager among the elite in online basketball simulation and it can often take weeks or months before someone is accepted into the league. This is why many members are critical of the skills of new General Managers and why those who are unsuccessful will often quit due to the pressures of making good trades. Jack is the latest example of this hierarchy after waiting months to join the league and volunteering to resign if people did not think he was fit to run a team. Jack was also ranked as one of the most disliked General Managers in the league as a result. The league’s legacy is something that is held sacred by many of the General Managers, who will be very critical of those who do not perform up to its standards and expectations. The NBN versus reality The NBN is a league, but it is also an online community. Arenas2JRich, the General Manager for the Boston Celtics states, “Interacting with other GM's. It's like a community of people with relatively the same interests. It's really fun talking trade most of the time, you can try to persuade people, using strategy in conversation, it's a blast.” Additionally, NYBombers3, the GM of the San Antonio Spurs says his favourite component is the chatting element, “A lot of the guys here (are) fun to talk to and joke around a lot, which makes being in the NBN a lot more fun.“ According to the questionnaire, it was almost unanimously determined that the NBN is often a distraction from real life tasks and can even sometimes be incorporated in the dreams of many General Managers. The General Managers will spend on average anywhere from 10 to 15 hours a week on the NBN, but some estimated anywhere from 25 to 40 hours. This shows the extent of dedication to the league that is exhibited by the General Managers who will spend many hours on the league, stay up late, get distracted from real life tasks and even dream about the NBN. General Manager Identity Although most of the General Managers do not know each other personally, after communicating with different General Managers for a long time, you can get a feel for their real life identities. In addition to talking with each other, the commissioner WillC started a thread that demanded each member post a photo of themselves on the message board. This helped put a face to the names of the different General Managers and also determined their skin colour. Additionally, past conversations have determined what race or religion each General Manager was, which includes those of the Christian, Muslim, Atheist and Jewish faiths. General Manager Etiquette There are certain expectations for General Managers to follow in order to maintain a strong reputation around the league. If a General Manager’s reputation is tarnished, the league will look down upon them and it could affect the likelihood of others making trade offers to them. This can happen if a General Manager is being rude to others, makes racial slurs, does not answer their private messages when they are visible online and acts arrogantly towards others. After a General Manager becomes respected, occasional arrogance is often considered permissible due to their success. League Ownership Will Clapton (or WillC on the message board) is the league’s commissioner and is happy to fulfill the duties that the job entails. His favourite parts of being the commissioner are researching young, up and coming basketball players and bringing them to life in the league’s annual rookie draft, which he says is the most enjoyable time of the simulation year. Will claims to have never cheated; although he has been tempted to do so, knowing that he could raise the potential rating of his players. Will does not cheat because he feels that it would compromise the league’s legacy and make it into “a joke”. Will feels that he’s proven his success enough to not merit having to cheat. Will enjoys seeing other members of the league actively participate by posting articles and discussing league results. He takes pleasure in seeing that people take an active interest in something that he has created and compares it to people marveling at an artist’s artwork. Will runs the league for his own enjoyment, but primarily for the enjoyment of others which in turn aids his enjoyment. Will understands that the league detracts from his social life at times, but says that it is just like any other hobby. But to Will, it is the number one priority in his life, which shows the amount of passion that he puts into the league. Conclusion: The NBN is both a simulation league and an interactive online community that contains a group of people who have become well-acquainted over time. Talking about trades and other league activity is part of the fun, but getting to know people with similar interests is where the real fun lies. As the league grows, so does the communal aspect of the league and it becomes something of an online neighborhood. Each team is the General Manager’s property and they maintain their team, build it up and improve it until they move on and another General Manager takes over and makes reparations or additions. Some General Managers have occupied their teams since the begining, some have moved in a long time ago, others have recently moved in and some have moved out and then moved back in because they miss their old, friendly neighborhood. The league is often attributed with helping people’s negotiation and business skills by allowing them to make and weight offers, seeing how the outcome results. Overall, the league is an online home for its General Managers who dedicate hours of each week to their teams and keeping in touch with those in their online community. Bibliography: 1) Survey taken on: nbn2004.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1101410248 (See appendices) 2) nbn2004.proboards35.com/index.cgi3) www.bballsims.com/nbnThe Simulation League Glossary A2J-Style Breakdown: A way of breaking down the statistics and play of your team after a simulation that was trademarked by Arenas2JRich (or A2J) Bust: A player who is drafted that does not live up to expectations “Come Correct”: Make a good offer Depth: How much talent a team has Filler: A term that represents players who are included in a trade to make up for a salary discrepancy that is required to make a trade work Fleecing: Getting the better end of a trade. Rape: A one-sided trade. Sharpening the axe: When an owner is preparing to relieve someone of their duties as a General Manager Steal: A player that is taken late in a draft and makes a big impact on their team or overperforms Stud: An up and coming superstar player
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2008 14:02:58 GMT -5
How old is this?
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 14:13:42 GMT -5
4 years.
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 14:14:17 GMT -5
Apparently... although I can't believe it's really that old... or maybe I'm just getting old. I started sims in 2002 I think so it's been a fucking long time!
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Post by A2J on Apr 3, 2008 16:42:20 GMT -5
Yeah about 4 years ago.
I started doing sims around 5 or 6 years ago. Took a 2 year hiatus in there, but that's still a loooooooong fucking time.
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Post by A2J on Apr 3, 2008 16:44:17 GMT -5
The A2J Style Breakdown ... when I had a shitty summer job sitting in front of a computer with fuck all to do one year, I would spend about 45 minutes calculating stats and typing up a summary of every sim. I think these days the Tigertecz Style Breakdown is my favorite ... all those faces are priceless.
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 16:57:26 GMT -5
The A2J Style Breakdown ... when I had a shitty summer job sitting in front of a computer with fuck all to do one year, I would spend about 45 minutes calculating stats and typing up a summary of every sim. I think these days the Tigertecz Style Breakdown is my favorite ... all those faces are priceless. You damn skippy, hippy! = worth an extra look = sick statline that cannot be ignored = triple double or something sick like a 50pt game, the kind of shit that used to make the NBN news fader if you remember those days lol
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Post by A2J on Apr 3, 2008 16:59:08 GMT -5
AHHHH THE NEW FADER!
I used to read the whole thing before checking sims back when I had Sly Mayes to see if he put up any ridiculous games.
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Post by Rocky on Apr 3, 2008 17:01:00 GMT -5
A2J, I'm really curious, give us a quick example of the a2j style break down!
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 17:03:41 GMT -5
AHHHH THE NEW FADER! I used to read the whole thing before checking sims back when I had Sly Mayes to see if he put up any ridiculous games. That thing was like the sickest part of the NBN. When Will stopped updating that he thought nobody would notice, but then there was a huge uproar lol.
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 17:06:19 GMT -5
6-2 baby, 3rd in the West and tied for 3rd in the league for that matter. Everyone played great - the best player, without a doubt, was Josh McRoberts off of my bench. I'll profile what he did a little bit later on. As a team, we're winning games by an average of 8.3 points, which is cool. Playing decent defence, and very good offence. Steals has been a strength, mostly from Mickael Pietrus, who is fifth in the league. Another bright spot has been outside shooting, where Daniel Gibson is among the leagues tops in free throw percentage (1st) and 3 point percentage (6th). Our biggest strength though has to be our bench. We're good at every position off of the bench. McRoberts is one of the best 6th men in the league, Damon Jones does a teriffic job spelling Gibson (6.5 pts, 3.0 asts in just 14 minutes) and Mike Dunleavy is bringing a little bit of everything at the swing positions (5.0 pts, 4.1 rebs, 2.3 asts in 16 minutes). All in all, we're looking very strong. And don't say I didn't tell you so in the power rankings Will PG - Daniel Gibson (14.1 PPG, 8.4 APG, 4.4 RPG, 2.3 TOPG, 52.4 FG%, 100.0 FT%, 58.3 3P%)One of the reasons I was so high on bringing Gibson in was because his ratings are remarkably similar to Luke Ridnour's last year, and Ridnour ran our offence very effectively to end the season. I see Gibson as a younger, developing Ridnour - he shoots great percentages, rebounds decently, passes pretty well and takes care of the ball. His scoring has been fantastic. His shooting has been other-worldly. And his passing and ball control has been nothing but solid. I'm very pleased with him right now. Hopefully the honeymoon will last. SG - Mickael Pietrus (9.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 2.6 SPG, 1.3 TOPG, 49.2 FG%)Mike's giving me exactly what he gave me last year - scoring decently, rebounding decently, getting a lot of steals, and very rarely turning the ball over. As a defensive roleplayer, he's great. He has a few big pluses, like his steals, and no real minuses. He doesn't really do anything wrong, aside from his free throws, which our whole team sucks at. That's why I think he's such an effective roleplayer. When he's in the game, he isn't taking anything off of the table. SF - Rashard Lewis (21.6 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.1 TOPG)There it is. He's a scorer, and his ball handling has been a very welcome surprise. The fact that he's controlling his TO's so well, passing the ball pretty well, and still putting up such big numbers in the points category is really pleasing. He hasn't shot the ball very well, but that comes with being one of the only real offensive threats on the floor most of the time. While he isn't shooting all that great, I'll take it if he can put up 21, 7 and 4. PF - Chris Taft (18.8 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 1.8 BPG, 1.4 SPG, 53.0 FG%)Foul trouble has been Taft's only real problem this season. He's picking up an average of 4 fouls every game, which has limited him to just 26.9 MPG. But, incredibly, in just those 27 minutes he's putting up great stats. The blocks and steals show his strength on the defensive end, and the fact that he's putting up 19 points in so little time, while still shooting a great percentage from the floor really shows the progress he's made on the offensive end; he wasn't shooting percentages near these last year. The rebounding, again, is a weakness, but it's coming along. Plus, with more minutes, I expect him to average closer to 8.5 boards when it's all said and done. C - Andris Biedrins (9.5 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 1.3 TOPG)Much better and much more consistent numbers than last year. The blocks are encouraging - if he can keep on doing that on the defensive end, and maybe even keep improving in that category, I'll have a scary frontcourt with him and Taft when it's all said and done. His rebounding has been very good too, although I have to say, I want a double-double out of him this year. I think he can achieve it after this first sim, and if he pulls that off, I'll be absolutely thrilled with him. As of now, I'm still pretty damn happy. 6th Man - Josh McRoberts (11.0 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 52.3 FG% in 21.0 MPG)I really wasn't expecting him to be this productive, but he's been sick, wicked and nasty off of the bench. Really has been getting the call a lot with Taft's foul trouble, and he's filling in brilliantly. I'm loving that he fell to me at #9 now. Hopefully he can develop into the player that these numbers show us.
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 17:07:18 GMT -5
Lol, I just picked a random old Regular Season Results thread from the NBN that A2J had posted in, and that was the first post he had in that season. That's what A2J used to do for pretty much every sim.
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Post by A2J on Apr 3, 2008 17:11:03 GMT -5
A2J, I'm really curious, give us a quick example of the a2j style break down! It's pretty basic, I would just calculate the average stats of my entire starting lineup over the sim and then write a quick blurb about each one. It just took a while to crunch all the numbers, especially since I usually did FG% and 3P% for certain guys. It'd look something like this ... SG - Kobe Bryant (27.6 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 4.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 51.1 FG%, 46.4 3P%)Kobe has been sick since coming over in FA, his percentages are ridiculous and I love his ability to put up assists. He gives our team that franchise scorer we were missing the last few seasons. It's crazy that him and Baron and C-Webb all left the Nets, but fuck it, I'm not complaining. He had a ridiculous 42 pts, 11 rebs and 7 asts on 18-29 from the field against the Magic too ... step your game up Haberman. Except with 5 or 6 players (if I had a sick 6th man) and real stats. For every single five day sim. I calculated it out - I got paid like $1200 to write sim summaries that summer.
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Post by Funky George! on Apr 3, 2008 17:12:28 GMT -5
A2J, I'm really curious, give us a quick example of the a2j style break down! It's pretty basic, I would just calculate the average stats of my entire starting lineup over the sim and then write a quick blurb about each one. It just took a while to crunch all the numbers, especially since I usually did FG% and 3P% for certain guys. It'd look something like this ... SG - Kobe Bryant (27.6 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 4.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 51.1 FG%, 46.4 3P%)Kobe has been sick since coming over in FA, his percentages are ridiculous and I love his ability to put up assists. He gives our team that franchise scorer we were missing the last few seasons. It's crazy that him and Baron and C-Webb all left the Nets, but fuck it, I'm not complaining. He had a ridiculous 42 pts, 11 rebs and 7 asts on 18-29 from the field against the Magic too ... step your game up Haberman. Except with 5 or 6 players (if I had a sick 6th man) and real stats. For every single five day sim. I calculated it out - I got paid like $1200 to write sim summaries that summer. Never happened. Fiction. You're a liar.
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Post by A2J on Apr 3, 2008 17:15:06 GMT -5
Lol, I just picked a random old Regular Season Results thread from the NBN that A2J had posted in, and that was the first post he had in that season. That's what A2J used to do for pretty much every sim. Well yeah, I guess that would be a better way to show an example.
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Post by Tigertecz on Apr 3, 2008 17:18:39 GMT -5
Lol, I just picked a random old Regular Season Results thread from the NBN that A2J had posted in, and that was the first post he had in that season. That's what A2J used to do for pretty much every sim. Well yeah, I guess that would be a better way to show an example. Me > you.
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Post by A2J on Apr 3, 2008 17:21:28 GMT -5
It's pretty basic, I would just calculate the average stats of my entire starting lineup over the sim and then write a quick blurb about each one. It just took a while to crunch all the numbers, especially since I usually did FG% and 3P% for certain guys. It'd look something like this ... SG - Kobe Bryant (27.6 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 4.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 51.1 FG%, 46.4 3P%)Kobe has been sick since coming over in FA, his percentages are ridiculous and I love his ability to put up assists. He gives our team that franchise scorer we were missing the last few seasons. It's crazy that him and Baron and C-Webb all left the Nets, but fuck it, I'm not complaining. He had a ridiculous 42 pts, 11 rebs and 7 asts on 18-29 from the field against the Magic too ... step your game up Haberman. Except with 5 or 6 players (if I had a sick 6th man) and real stats. For every single five day sim. I calculated it out - I got paid like $1200 to write sim summaries that summer. Never happened. Fiction. You're a liar. I'm clairvoyant. That's going to be his statline on Day 72.
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