Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Sept 11, 2009 15:00:22 GMT -5
I know no one is going to really care about this, but I really want to see if I'm overvaluing my players or not? In this case I think my arguement is warranted?
[15:35] heubball23: Sam Smith, Weissmuller for Hayes, Reed. There.
[15:36] in4trance: LOL
[15:36] in4trance: your nuts
[15:37] heubball23: because sam smith for marcus hayes is such a terrible offer
[15:37] in4trance: it's not like Carlton Reed is a filler lol
[15:37] in4trance: he's actually a legit good player
[15:38] heubball23: lol u can give me another filler. he does 4 topg at sf, i thought he was just scoring because he got miunutes or whatever
[15:38] heubball23: idc about him
[15:38] in4trance: 3.5
[15:38] in4trance: and he shoots high percentages
[15:38] heubball23: ok
[15:39] in4trance: so he plays a ton of minutes and shoots great percentages so don't give me the excuse that its just because hes on a bad team
[15:39] heubball23: i just wanted a filler
[15:39] in4trance: do yo uhave any 1sts left
[15:39] heubball23: nj this year, mine this year, mine isnt going
[15:40] in4trance: ok
[15:42] in4trance: i doubt hes ever going to be a good starter
[15:43] in4trance: maybe a theo smith chamberlain typ
[15:43] heubball23: and they aren't good starters?
[15:43] heubball23: lol
[15:43] in4trance: decent but not as good as Hayes
[15:43] heubball23: chamberlain is much better than hayes
[15:43] in4trance: not what ive heard
[15:43] heubball23: if you asked the league, at least 25 gm's would say chamberlain and smith are better than hayes. chamberlain is a stud.
[15:44] heubball23: Smith has gone from C+ C+ C- B A- B to B- C+ C A- A- A in 2 years
[15:44] heubball23: he still has upside
[15:44] in4trance: same age as hayes
[15:44] in4trance: how much upside could he possibly have
[15:45] heubball23: he's had 4 less tc's
[15:45] heubball23: hayes came in the league when he was 19
[15:45] heubball23: smith when he was 23
[15:48] in4trance: i still think Hayes is worth much more than you are offering
[15:48] heubball23: ok, i think i'm giving you more than what he's worth, but keep him i guess
[15:49] in4trance: you're giving me Sam Smith that's it
[15:49] heubball23: and i think smith is worth more than hayes league wide. He's A- A-, still has A potential, only 2 tc's under his belt and is on a rookie contract while Hayes is overpaid. Hayes is a nice player but he has short comings and not a ton of value
[15:50] in4trance: how is a 25 year old who will only be making 18 mill playing in a position that there isn't alot of depth in overpaid?
[15:50] in4trance: *18 mill at 28
[15:50] in4trance: you got players older, worse, than him making more
[15:51] in4trance: Sam Smith reminds of that one guy back in the day who was like B+ A A or whatever and never played to his ratings
[15:51] heubball23: Smith is a 3rd yr player who is a big
[15:51] heubball23: lol
[15:51] in4trance: and i've asked two gms and both agreed theyd rather have Hayes than Smith so I don't agree it's "league-wide"
[15:51] in4trance: I iddn't say big, I said Center
[15:51] in4trance: he's not a Center
[15:52] heubball23: How does he not play to his ratings? He did 18.5/11 his rookie season which is better than any season Hayes has had besides this year. Last year he was a backup much of the eyar. This year he has been all over
[15:52] heubball23: and just had a 22 rebound game
[15:52] heubball23: who did u ask?
[15:52] heubball23: i know jah likes hayes
[15:52] heubball23: idk anyone esle
[15:52] in4trance: jordan was the other one if you need to know
[15:52] heubball23: jordan hasnt been paying attention to the league for a while
[15:53] heubball23: anyways im fine with smith
[15:53] in4trance: k
[15:54] in4trance: i cant believe you really think Chamberlain is better
[15:54] in4trance: lol..
[15:55] heubball23: than hayes?
[15:55] heubball23: without a doubt
[15:55] heubball23: he's an awesome defender
[15:55] in4trance: * an awesome blocker
[15:55] in4trance: that's it
[15:55] heubball23: he's a great post defender
[15:55] heubball23: decent shot blocker
[15:55] heubball23: he shuts people down
[15:56] in4trance: but can't score worth a damn
[15:56] in4trance: Hayes can
[15:56] in4trance: Hayes has been getting 2 bpg over the last 3 seasons
[15:56] in4trance: and gets over 10 boards
[15:56] heubball23: Hayes can score if he's an option on a terrible team
[15:56] in4trance: much better numbers than Chamberlain had in his best years
[15:56] in4trance: he wasnt an option last season and got 15ppg
[15:56] in4trance: or the year before that
[15:56] heubball23: they are entirely different playuers
[15:56] heubball23: hayes is an a- defender, chamberlain is one of the best defenders in the game
[15:57] heubball23: chamberlain isn't as much of a to whore
[15:57] heubball23: chamberlain is a better rebounder
[15:57] heubball23: shoots bettter from the line
[15:57] heubball23: hayes scores and passes better
[15:57] heubball23: i prefer deandre
[15:57] in4trance: then why aren't you making that offer to basone
[15:57] heubball23: why would i want a 29 yr old?
[15:57] heubball23: w'ere rebuulding
[15:57] in4trance: LOL
[15:57] in4trance: so why in gods name do you want a guy on a "horrible" contract
[15:58] in4trance: if youre rebuilding
[15:58] heubball23: i dont mind the contract if we dont have cap anyway. i want to move daniels back to pf
[15:59] in4trance: that makes no sense
[15:59] heubball23: how does it make no sense? I don't mind taking on a contract if it doesn't get in the way from us having cap. I rather have a true center in Hayes so i can move Daniels to PF, where he plays better
[15:59] in4trance: you wouldn't be rebuilding than anymore
[16:00] heubball23: yes we would. we have a ton of pieces but i'm tanking this year so i can get another in the draft. we have so many to prone guys we'd lose
[16:00] heubball23: boone bing hayes would turn it over a lot
[16:00] heubball23: and i can make a bad dc well
[15:35] heubball23: Sam Smith, Weissmuller for Hayes, Reed. There.
[15:36] in4trance: LOL
[15:36] in4trance: your nuts
[15:37] heubball23: because sam smith for marcus hayes is such a terrible offer
[15:37] in4trance: it's not like Carlton Reed is a filler lol
[15:37] in4trance: he's actually a legit good player
[15:38] heubball23: lol u can give me another filler. he does 4 topg at sf, i thought he was just scoring because he got miunutes or whatever
[15:38] heubball23: idc about him
[15:38] in4trance: 3.5
[15:38] in4trance: and he shoots high percentages
[15:38] heubball23: ok
[15:39] in4trance: so he plays a ton of minutes and shoots great percentages so don't give me the excuse that its just because hes on a bad team
[15:39] heubball23: i just wanted a filler
[15:39] in4trance: do yo uhave any 1sts left
[15:39] heubball23: nj this year, mine this year, mine isnt going
[15:40] in4trance: ok
[15:42] in4trance: i doubt hes ever going to be a good starter
[15:43] in4trance: maybe a theo smith chamberlain typ
[15:43] heubball23: and they aren't good starters?
[15:43] heubball23: lol
[15:43] in4trance: decent but not as good as Hayes
[15:43] heubball23: chamberlain is much better than hayes
[15:43] in4trance: not what ive heard
[15:43] heubball23: if you asked the league, at least 25 gm's would say chamberlain and smith are better than hayes. chamberlain is a stud.
[15:44] heubball23: Smith has gone from C+ C+ C- B A- B to B- C+ C A- A- A in 2 years
[15:44] heubball23: he still has upside
[15:44] in4trance: same age as hayes
[15:44] in4trance: how much upside could he possibly have
[15:45] heubball23: he's had 4 less tc's
[15:45] heubball23: hayes came in the league when he was 19
[15:45] heubball23: smith when he was 23
[15:48] in4trance: i still think Hayes is worth much more than you are offering
[15:48] heubball23: ok, i think i'm giving you more than what he's worth, but keep him i guess
[15:49] in4trance: you're giving me Sam Smith that's it
[15:49] heubball23: and i think smith is worth more than hayes league wide. He's A- A-, still has A potential, only 2 tc's under his belt and is on a rookie contract while Hayes is overpaid. Hayes is a nice player but he has short comings and not a ton of value
[15:50] in4trance: how is a 25 year old who will only be making 18 mill playing in a position that there isn't alot of depth in overpaid?
[15:50] in4trance: *18 mill at 28
[15:50] in4trance: you got players older, worse, than him making more
[15:51] in4trance: Sam Smith reminds of that one guy back in the day who was like B+ A A or whatever and never played to his ratings
[15:51] heubball23: Smith is a 3rd yr player who is a big
[15:51] heubball23: lol
[15:51] in4trance: and i've asked two gms and both agreed theyd rather have Hayes than Smith so I don't agree it's "league-wide"
[15:51] in4trance: I iddn't say big, I said Center
[15:51] in4trance: he's not a Center
[15:52] heubball23: How does he not play to his ratings? He did 18.5/11 his rookie season which is better than any season Hayes has had besides this year. Last year he was a backup much of the eyar. This year he has been all over
[15:52] heubball23: and just had a 22 rebound game
[15:52] heubball23: who did u ask?
[15:52] heubball23: i know jah likes hayes
[15:52] heubball23: idk anyone esle
[15:52] in4trance: jordan was the other one if you need to know
[15:52] heubball23: jordan hasnt been paying attention to the league for a while
[15:53] heubball23: anyways im fine with smith
[15:53] in4trance: k
[15:54] in4trance: i cant believe you really think Chamberlain is better
[15:54] in4trance: lol..
[15:55] heubball23: than hayes?
[15:55] heubball23: without a doubt
[15:55] heubball23: he's an awesome defender
[15:55] in4trance: * an awesome blocker
[15:55] in4trance: that's it
[15:55] heubball23: he's a great post defender
[15:55] heubball23: decent shot blocker
[15:55] heubball23: he shuts people down
[15:56] in4trance: but can't score worth a damn
[15:56] in4trance: Hayes can
[15:56] in4trance: Hayes has been getting 2 bpg over the last 3 seasons
[15:56] in4trance: and gets over 10 boards
[15:56] heubball23: Hayes can score if he's an option on a terrible team
[15:56] in4trance: much better numbers than Chamberlain had in his best years
[15:56] in4trance: he wasnt an option last season and got 15ppg
[15:56] in4trance: or the year before that
[15:56] heubball23: they are entirely different playuers
[15:56] heubball23: hayes is an a- defender, chamberlain is one of the best defenders in the game
[15:57] heubball23: chamberlain isn't as much of a to whore
[15:57] heubball23: chamberlain is a better rebounder
[15:57] heubball23: shoots bettter from the line
[15:57] heubball23: hayes scores and passes better
[15:57] heubball23: i prefer deandre
[15:57] in4trance: then why aren't you making that offer to basone
[15:57] heubball23: why would i want a 29 yr old?
[15:57] heubball23: w'ere rebuulding
[15:57] in4trance: LOL
[15:57] in4trance: so why in gods name do you want a guy on a "horrible" contract
[15:58] in4trance: if youre rebuilding
[15:58] heubball23: i dont mind the contract if we dont have cap anyway. i want to move daniels back to pf
[15:59] in4trance: that makes no sense
[15:59] heubball23: how does it make no sense? I don't mind taking on a contract if it doesn't get in the way from us having cap. I rather have a true center in Hayes so i can move Daniels to PF, where he plays better
[15:59] in4trance: you wouldn't be rebuilding than anymore
[16:00] heubball23: yes we would. we have a ton of pieces but i'm tanking this year so i can get another in the draft. we have so many to prone guys we'd lose
[16:00] heubball23: boone bing hayes would turn it over a lot
[16:00] heubball23: and i can make a bad dc well
