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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Sept 23, 2009 11:11:17 GMT -5
Stfu bitch. I don't expect any of marks boy to actually have a problem with this. This is just disgusting.  |
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:12:18 GMT -5
Your opinion on this means nothing to most people in the league cause the feeling from some is that I favor you and Mark. I used to favor everyone from NC, but I was pretty harsh with Dan on the simming incident, so now I just favor you and Mark. Yeah, but I don't care. It's a pathetic viewpoint and has no justification. We all saw what happened with Eldridge Webb, so Play, who's the king of whining about shit, really has no legs to stand on. Play should give me a pass on the next 10 things that happen because I gave him Webb. Dont worry Play, youll bitch about 10 things in about 2 days so it wont take long! |
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Sept 23, 2009 11:13:23 GMT -5
at least you stopped favoring DJ and didnt allow him to get into the top 3
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Post by Funky George! on Sept 23, 2009 11:13:32 GMT -5
Skillz has the chance to rework this deal. What's stopping him? What everyone fails to consider is that in one case Spence fired the guy, and in this case Trunks is a better-known GM (even if he's horrid) and will get the chance to stay. In one case, Spence controlled the team that dealt Kemp and did it because he thought it was the best way to resolve the situation. In this case, Trunks made a shitty deal and isn't being fired. The only precedent Spence set was that if a trade gets vetoed, the GM that got raped could feel obligated to rework the deal. He didn't do anything differently here. He vetoed a trade, just like he did last time. Whether or not that gets reworked is up to Trunks. The main reason I didnt allow time for SKillz to rework the deal is that it wouldve held up the draft. To me, if Skillz wants to offer a fair deal for Archibald thatd be fine. Skillz is busy. If I wouldve waited for him to fix this deal the draft wouldnt have been started yet. Yeah, what I'm saying is he still has the chance to get Archibald, which is who he told me he wanted. |
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:15:01 GMT -5
I think its funny that people think I am unjust, or deal with situations differently. Im not a machine. Each scenario is dealt with as it comes up. We have precedent for lots of things but not everything can be judged similarly. I have introduced some new ideas that hopefully will help in the future.
Bottom line. The Jazz suck. Trunks deserves a shot at bringing them to mediocre and GMs trying to swindle him in his 3rd day should be prevented.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:16:04 GMT -5
at least you stopped favoring DJ and didnt allow him to get into the top 3 The league couldnt handle DJ winning the lotto again. It was a good decision. |
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:16:37 GMT -5
The main reason I didnt allow time for SKillz to rework the deal is that it wouldve held up the draft. To me, if Skillz wants to offer a fair deal for Archibald thatd be fine. Skillz is busy. If I wouldve waited for him to fix this deal the draft wouldnt have been started yet. Yeah, what I'm saying is he still has the chance to get Archibald, which is who he told me he wanted. Which is fine. I was just explaining why I didnt give Skillz a window of time to fix the original deal, which was my first response. |
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:17:27 GMT -5
Usually this kind of thing makes me upset. I know I did the right thing, and Im pretty comfortable with it. Trunks and the Jazz need an opportunity to recover from the mess Andrews inactivity created.
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Post by Pacman on Sept 23, 2009 11:17:41 GMT -5
trunks should be fine
Gotrunks226 (8:37:53 PM): i'll pull some shit out and win the championship
Gotrunks226 (8:38:02 PM): just to prove everybody wrong
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:17:45 GMT -5
I really cant wait for 30k
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Post by Funky George! on Sept 23, 2009 11:18:43 GMT -5
I don't get it. I'm defending Spence, not Mark. Did Mark deserve to get Kemp? I don't know. In that case, Spence hired a new guy without implementing a trade ban, and Mark capitalized. I thought that Spence vetoing it was an unfair way of retroactively inserting a trade ban (allowing the guy to fuck up, and then vetoing it.) I think Spence re-worked it because he felt that way, too, but I don't know.
In this case, Trunks has been in leagues with I'd guess every single BBS GM, and if he fucks up, it oughta be treated as any other veto. He's remaining the GM of the Jazz, so what happens next isn't up to Spence. The truth is, I doubt anybody wants to hold up the draft so Skillz can get the 2nd pick in a fair trade. They're just angry that Mark got Kemp. I'm not standing up for Mark; I'm defending Spence. I see why he did what he did in both cases, and even if it were hypocritical, I don't care. It's Spence's league and I think he can reserve the right to have discretion on vetoes. Nothing unfair about that.
In the Kemp deal, he chose to rework the trade. In this case, Trunks fucked up and we had to move on with the draft. Some battles really aren't worth fighting.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:25:39 GMT -5
In retrospect the DET-NJ deal was bad, but I knew all 3 players had good potential. Jackson is a amn good scorer. Walker just didnt pan out, but hes a cheap solid shooter. Dodge is poo. The piks were decent and all were used horribly. Brunk did a horrible job with DET. He traded away all of his pieces for mediocre or owed firsts. None of the trades individually were bad enough to veto but he consistently lost in trades. Thats why he got fired.
Bottom line, the NJ trade was good for Mark but I liked the value I got for Kemp at the time. it just didnt work out. if I wouldve felt Trunks was fireable I wouldve made a deal with Skillz work.
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Post by Rocky on Sept 23, 2009 11:38:20 GMT -5
Late for class and can't read all of these, but eh, I personally don't think it is fair to veto it after my deal was able to be re-worked. Maybe something what you did with me which is essentially say what the new deal would become. Vetoes fucking suck.
New rule (trade ban) is a good one though so now we'll never deal with this again.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 11:38:56 GMT -5
Late for class and can't read all of these, but eh, I personally don't think it is fair to veto it after my deal was able to be re-worked. Maybe something what you did with me which is essentially say what the new deal would become. Vetoes fucking suck. New rule (trade ban) is a good one though so now we'll never deal with this again. It could still come up. Most things come up again. |
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Post by Outlawz on Sept 23, 2009 12:29:28 GMT -5
No one even said anything about the NC thing. Anytime something is brung up your so defensive. This doesnt affect me so really i dont care that much. But if this doesnt go through neither should have the kemp deal. Trunks was fine with the deal and really it wasnt veto imo because that pick coud've ended up anywhere from 1 to 4 so there was a risk involved. I said from the beggining to implement a trade ban and you are so narrow minded that it seems you dont care for suggestions. Honestly this is the last time i post about anything league related. I'm all about fairness and actually following the rules rather than every case being different. Never been in a league where rules and precedents can go 18 different ways dependin on the mood of the day. People think im complaining when im just trying to bring up a valid point. Defend it by mocking people or making jokes shows you're just doing it because "you can". Me saying anything only stirs up problems and i guess you cant make honest statements in here so ill stay shut
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Post by Funky George! on Sept 23, 2009 13:21:03 GMT -5
Wtf are you even talking about?
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Post by Funky George! on Sept 23, 2009 13:29:54 GMT -5
I mean I don't mean to be a dick but I think you're overreacting. Nobody said you can't speak up or have an opinion. It's obvious you've been doing your part to be more positive lately, and IMO this just isn't worth picking a fight over. Spence tries his best to be fair, but he doesn't need to make excuses for vetoing a deal. It's not gonna change the course of the league, and it's not like Spence's rulings are a constant source of problems, so I just don't see why you're so angry about it and threatening to not post about league-related topics anymore.
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Post by Outlawz on Sept 23, 2009 13:47:32 GMT -5
My whole thing is if you're going to do things one way then stick with the direction. Rules are bended to have different meanings. Yes, its his perogative to veto a deal but he said he was fine with the precedent he set now he's backtracking. I don't like skillz really so this really has no bearing but this whole I am king and I won't accept peasants opinions is kinda fucked up. Maybe its just me but its how I feel. No point in me even discussing this anymore. Most people don't care to chime in so why should I?. I just think its unfair. Rules should be applied the same way in every instance except for special circumstances. Anyways I'm done. Don't care to even post anymore
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Post by Funky George! on Sept 23, 2009 15:16:42 GMT -5
My whole thing is if you're going to do things one way then stick with the direction. Rules are bended to have different meanings. Yes, its his perogative to veto a deal but he said he was fine with the precedent he set now he's backtracking. I don't like skillz really so this really has no bearing but this whole I am king and I won't accept peasants opinions is kinda fucked up. Maybe its just me but its how I feel. No point in me even discussing this anymore. Most people don't care to chime in so why should I?. I just think its unfair. Rules should be applied the same way in every instance except for special circumstances. Anyways I'm done. Don't care to even post anymore The precedent Spence was setting didn't have anything to do with re-working vetoed deals, though. |
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Post by Outlawz on Sept 23, 2009 16:08:39 GMT -5
It did with the fact that it was a new guy. I know some people get my point while most dont. It's fine. No point in keeping on. Trying not to get into it with people
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 16:28:40 GMT -5
Outlawz, really you should quit. Im so sick of you saying youre gonna do this, or saying youre gonna do that. You need to get over yourself. maybe you need a suspension for a year or something.
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Post by Skillz on Sept 23, 2009 16:31:57 GMT -5
spence, pm'd you
I didn't understand a word anyone said on page 4. At least I got my boy Gar Heard.
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Post by manasrai on Sept 23, 2009 16:33:38 GMT -5
spence, pm'd you I didn't understand a word anyone said on page 4. At least I got my boy Gar Heard. Bastard. I wanted him. |
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Post by Outlawz on Sept 23, 2009 17:27:28 GMT -5
That's true i should. Bringing up a good point which really you have no real defense to is somehow conceived as whining. Sorry i dont kiss your ass like most people. Haha @ suspension. Do what you want
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Post by Spencer on Sept 23, 2009 17:28:29 GMT -5
That's true i should. Bringing up a good point which really you have no real defense to is somehow conceived as whining. Sorry i dont kiss your ass like most people. Haha @ suspension. Do what you want This doesnt even make sense. |
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