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Post by FAIL on Oct 11, 2009 10:34:59 GMT -5
Hawks send[/u]
Rory Davis
Will Jones
Hawks 33 1st
Hawks 34 1st
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Grizzlies send[/u]
Terrel Morrison
Lee Davis
Garfield Smith
Patrick Dixon
I agree. Bottom line is I'm 2 games behind 2 teams for a playoff spot. I only lose 1 starter in this trade for Morrison. So that greatly improves my lineup immediately and should give me a good playoff push.
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 11, 2009 10:37:06 GMT -5
huge deal for skillz...morrison is just a much worse player than rory
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 10:40:11 GMT -5
I agree. Love Morrison, think he's a studddd at PF but we don't rebound well enough and I think we needed some more pieces. Rory can block shots now which is nice, hopefully he fits well.
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Post by FAIL on Oct 11, 2009 10:41:45 GMT -5
huge deal for skillz...morrison is just a much worse player than rory Have a feeling this is sarcastic, but if not, how is Morrison much worse than Smith? That just makes no sense to me. |
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 10:43:00 GMT -5
The league is pretty much split on Morrison. Bunch of people hate him because he used to be a huge TO whore. He got a bad reputation for a while. Anyone who's had Morrison likes him though. And he's less TO prone than Rory now.
Use him at PF or SF though, he sucks at SG
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Post by FAIL on Oct 11, 2009 10:44:24 GMT -5
Yeah I plan on using him at SF
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 11, 2009 10:46:52 GMT -5
You're overrating Morrison. Rory is gonna go do 28/12/3.5 for Skillz. If you're planning on playing Morrison at the 3, you'll find that his turnovers are miserable and really negate his production. If you play him at the 4, he doesn't rebound well, shoots a mediocre FG%, and still does 3 turnovers a game.
Morrison's teams have literally never been good and it's always because he's not a proper focal point. There are too many good wings out there. Bigs are ridiculously rare right now and Rory might be the best out there.
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 10:49:37 GMT -5
Why will Rory do 28 for me if he did 24 for Atlanta as a 2nd option? LOL, hopefully he does though!
Morrison's TO's are down in general, Aaron. At SG they are 2.5, just as they are at PF. In preseason, he did 2.5 tos at SF. His handles must have improved. Morrison at SF is a 27 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg 2.5/2.5 guy on 2.5 to's. At Pf, 25 ppg 9 rpg 4 apg 3 bpg 2 spg on worse %'s. His reputation is what brings him down to me but he's a great player. He has to have the right supporting cast though.
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 11, 2009 10:53:07 GMT -5
Why will Rory do 28 for me if he did 24 for Atlanta as a 2nd option? LOL, hopefully he does though! Morrison's TO's are down in general, Aaron. At SG they are 2.5, just as they are at PF. In preseason, he did 2.5 tos at SF. His handles must have improved. Morrison at SF is a 27 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg 2.5/2.5 guy on 2.5 to's. At Pf, 25 ppg 9 rpg 4 apg 3 bpg 2 spg on worse %'s. His reputation is what brings him down to me but he's a great player. He has to have the right supporting cast though. Look at the DCs he's been playing in. The Hawks have gone outside for half of the season. And there's no way a guy who does 2.9 turnovers per game at PF has 2.5 at SG. That's bullshit. He's still the same disappointing player. Look at your record. How many teams have gone over .500 with him? |
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 10:55:52 GMT -5
Morrison is doing 2.7 topg at PF
Rory is doing 2.7 topg at PF
We run an outside offense too, though i will probably switch it with Rory here.
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Post by nybombers3 on Oct 11, 2009 10:58:25 GMT -5
Fuck Morrison. Morrison has fallen off big time.
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Post by FAIL on Oct 11, 2009 10:58:53 GMT -5
I put a thread up to shop Davis and no one bit. I got a few bad to mediocre PMs and that's about it.
I look at Morrison's player profile and don't see how you can argue against those shooting %s, or defensive numbers.
My GMing preferance is to be very strong at PG and the 2 wing positions, with post scoring being a 2nd priority.
I don't know anything about player reputations or player history or whatever, since I am new, and all I have to go by are numbers. I do know that players are nothing but a collection of numerical ratings and there is no category for being able to win. So saying that every team he has been on has lost is a bullshit coincidence.
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 11, 2009 11:24:59 GMT -5
I put a thread up to shop Davis and no one bit. I got a few bad to mediocre PMs and that's about it. I look at Morrison's player profile and don't see how you can argue against those shooting %s, or defensive numbers. My GMing preferance is to be very strong at PG and the 2 wing positions, with post scoring being a 2nd priority. I don't know anything about player reputations or player history or whatever, since I am new, and all I have to go by are numbers. I do know that players are nothing but a collection of numerical ratings and there is no category for being able to win. So saying that every team he has been on has lost is a bullshit coincidence. Handling is a rating. Morrison's is extremely low. |
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 11:26:53 GMT -5
Morrison's is the same as Rory's apparently. 2.7 topg at PF vs 2.7 topg at PF, LOL.
Rory is a beast though!
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Post by Dru on Oct 11, 2009 11:28:18 GMT -5
The league is pretty much split on Morrison. Bunch of people hate him because he used to be a huge TO whore. He got a bad reputation for a while. Anyone who's had Morrison likes him though. And he's less TO prone than Rory now. Use him at PF or SF though, he sucks at SG I think you mean, anyone who's had Morrison hates him. He sucks. Rory is by far the better player. A swap of Rory for Morrison is lopsided. Adding two Hawks firsts makes this deal horrendous. |
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 11:33:34 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't do Morrison for Rory straight up, but I've always seemed to like Morrison more than others. I have traded for him a # of times, LOL.
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Post by Dru on Oct 11, 2009 11:35:34 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't do Morrison for Rory straight up, but I've always seemed to like Morrison more than others. I have traded for him a # of times, LOL. I think you traded for every player in this league a # of times.  |
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 11:35:59 GMT -5
True that
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Post by Rocky on Oct 11, 2009 11:43:37 GMT -5
The league is pretty much split on Morrison. Bunch of people hate him because he used to be a huge TO whore. He got a bad reputation for a while. Anyone who's had Morrison likes him though. And he's less TO prone than Rory now. Use him at PF or SF though, he sucks at SG I think you mean, anyone who's had Morrison hates him. He sucks. Rory is by far the better player. A swap of Rory for Morrison is lopsided. Adding two Hawks firsts makes this deal horrendous. [/quote Haha yeah. Skillz you made that up. Everyone who had Morrison hates him. |
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Post by Skillz on Oct 11, 2009 11:53:07 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me then LOL
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Post by FAIL on Oct 11, 2009 12:23:04 GMT -5
There is no more of a correlation between a team's record and handling ratings than a teams record and other possession affecting ratings. You lose a possession on each of his turnovers. You gain a possession on each of his 2 steals or 2 blocks a game. So drop his steals and blocks to 1 and 1, drop his tpg by 2, and you're getting the same possession affect on the game. However, that would be a player that is much more asthetically appealing.
I still disagree on Davis being a better player. I don't even think it's that close. How much that is due to me being fresh to this league and how much that is due to you guys building some stigma about Morrison in your minds is debateable.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 11, 2009 12:28:54 GMT -5
There is no more of a correlation between a team's record and handling ratings than a teams record and other possession affecting ratings. You lose a possession on each of his turnovers. You gain a possession on each of his 2 steals or 2 blocks a game. So drop his steals and blocks to 1 and 1, drop his tpg by 2, and you're getting the same possession affect on the game. However, that would be a player that is much more asthetically appealing. I still disagree on Davis being a better player. I don't even think it's that close. How much that is due to me being fresh to this league and how much that is due to you guys building some stigma about Morrison in your minds is debateable. I think there is a certain aspect to a player that is on teams that always under perform though. Morrison is always on a team that should be better then it is. I think it has to do with the amount of TOs he puts up and the fact that he doesn't have a true solid position. IDK, I think you'll figure stuff out though. Hopefully you take the criticism well, I know its hard when you've been in FBB leagues so long to take criticism from guys you don't know. |
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Post by Play on Oct 11, 2009 12:30:47 GMT -5
mehhh this deal sucks, those hawks first are lotto picks.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 11, 2009 12:42:28 GMT -5
trade in
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Post by DB on Oct 11, 2009 13:42:50 GMT -5
nice for memphis
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