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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 13:58:28 GMT -5
he obviously wouldn't get it on the open market now, but you have to keep him and if that's what it takes, then fine. it's only 2.5 mill increase to the payroll for him, not a big deal. ton of money came off. lost billy and delgado's money ya but they need a 1b pretty sorely. they still need to go get it. i don't think increasing putz's price by 2.5 million should affect that. i'd love to sign adam laroche. if they got holliday, let murhpy still play 1b. if you can't get holliday, deal for hawpe and sign laroche. all good teams have deep offenses, and when the mets were good they had a deep offense. reyes castillo beltran Wright Hawpe Francouer/LaRoche Francouer/LaRoce Catcher is a really nice lineup. hawpe/laroche/pineiro
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 13:59:07 GMT -5
i'd still be completely up for a re-signed delgado depending on the price. he'll hit better than every available 1b
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Post by GMGreggor on Oct 18, 2009 13:59:23 GMT -5
FTW
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 13:59:50 GMT -5
and the team is a joke if they get cheap after this past season. the opening of the new stadium came with one of the worst seasons in the history of the franchise given the expectations. i think there are so many ways to make this team really good. ton of different options, but they can't get cheap. i'm not saying lackey/holliday or bust, but they'll have to spend and it's a joke if they don't not much you can do. they'll spend on an of and and sp but i don't think they're at all in a position to add payroll why not?
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:00:10 GMT -5
absolutely no chance the yankees win a game in anaheim if they play like they did the first two games of this series vlad is the worst player on either team
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 18, 2009 14:02:06 GMT -5
yeah i wouldn't do it at all. i'd welcome the extra money of my payroll and put it on an sp or an of. there are worse things than a makeshift pen, as evidence by last year's mets offense and rotation must have missed 07 and 08 that's ridiculous. putz isn't gonna cure wagner or heilman blowing in the past. look what he did the last two years. you'd pay him 8.6 million dollars that could go to bringing in a lackey or a holliday? they have a tighter budget than ever before, really, and picking up putz eats into it. a lot. they need a 1b if they don't bring back delgado, they need an of that'll cost them 10-12 mil, and they need a number two starter. the 07 and 08 mets had much better lineups and rotations than the mets will have going into next season. the pen let them down in september, but if they have last year's sp, no way they're an 80 win team. don't tell me it's because of injuries with them--they went into it with one guy they could count on. you can't pencil in any of ollie, redding, maine to be in your rotation, and if you do, you better be looking at johan-lackey at the top. bringing back putz is a risk that solves nothing. there are much cheaper options and more important roles to fill
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 18, 2009 14:06:12 GMT -5
ya but they need a 1b pretty sorely. they still need to go get it. i don't think increasing putz's price by 2.5 million should affect that. i'd love to sign adam laroche. if they got holliday, let murhpy still play 1b. if you can't get holliday, deal for hawpe and sign laroche. all good teams have deep offenses, and when the mets were good they had a deep offense. reyes castillo beltran Wright Hawpe Francouer/LaRoche Francouer/LaRoce Catcher is a really nice lineup. hawpe/laroche/pineiro When you're about to spend on a 1b, 1+ SP and an OF, you don't look at 8.6 million as only 2.5 million more than you paid the guy last year. Teams don't look at things that way. Putz wasn't worth 6 mil and he's not worth 8.6 now. 8.6 million is 8.6 million, regardless of how much you spent on the guy last year.
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:06:24 GMT -5
must have missed 07 and 08 that's ridiculous. putz isn't gonna cure wagner or heilman blowing in the past. look what he did the last two years. you'd pay him 8.6 million dollars that could go to bringing in a lackey or a holliday? they have a tighter budget than ever before, really, and picking up putz eats into it. a lot. they need a 1b if they don't bring back delgado, they need an of that'll cost them 10-12 mil, and they need a number two starter. the 07 and 08 mets had much better lineups and rotations than the mets will have going into next season. the pen let them down in september, but if they have last year's sp, no way they're an 80 win team. don't tell me it's because of injuries with them--they went into it with one guy they could count on. you can't pencil in any of ollie, redding, maine to be in your rotation, and if you do, you better be looking at johan-lackey at the top. bringing back putz is a risk that solves nothing. there are much cheaper options and more important roles to fill i was responding to " there are worse things than a makeshift pen" with 07/08 comment. both of those teams win 95 games with a pen that is even average. they won 89 with the mostp athetic pens of all time. all of this is based off of a healthy putz. does a healthy putz cure heilman/show? um yes it does, that was the logic behind getting him in 09. they were trying to put together a dominant pen, but it went to shit because everyone got injured. you can't have a makeshift offense, defense, bench, pen, etc. everythin comes back to bite, and the pen is just as bad as any of those. obviously you don't re-sign putz if it means you have no money to spend elsewhere, but i don't think it does or should. it's a 2.5 million increase when 20+ is coming off. after the season that the team just had if they're not expecting to add 15 million in payroll then there is no point to even talk about what type of moves they'll make because they just won't be very good. of course you need another starter. it also didn't help that every single starter but pelfrey got injured. you need another bat. it also doesn't help that every single hitter got injured. and then every backup got injured. last year's team if healthy was easily as good as the previous two seasons. it's not like the previous two season's won the WS
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 18, 2009 14:06:53 GMT -5
Plus, the potential for Laroche/Hawpe is a lot better than keeping Murphy at 1b to sign Putz.
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:08:58 GMT -5
they still need to go get it. i don't think increasing putz's price by 2.5 million should affect that. i'd love to sign adam laroche. if they got holliday, let murhpy still play 1b. if you can't get holliday, deal for hawpe and sign laroche. all good teams have deep offenses, and when the mets were good they had a deep offense. reyes castillo beltran Wright Hawpe Francouer/LaRoche Francouer/LaRoce Catcher is a really nice lineup. hawpe/laroche/pineiro When you're about to spend on a 1b, 1+ SP and an OF, you don't look at 8.6 million as only 2.5 million more than you paid the guy last year. Teams don't look at things that way. Putz wasn't worth 6 mil and he's not worth 8.6 now. 8.6 million is 8.6 million, regardless of how much you spent on the guy last year. after the disappointment of this past season, yes you do. it's a salary bump. here is a crazy idea, don't spend 10 million total on 10 cory sullivans. if they can restructure putz's contract (something i read is a possibility) then obviously that would be sick, but if he is the best option and the second best option wants 6 million, then that 2.5 million shouldn't mean a thing to getting a starter and an outfielder. not after this past season.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Oct 18, 2009 14:10:17 GMT -5
I need a PF/C
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:10:20 GMT -5
Plus, the potential for Laroche/Hawpe is a lot better than keeping Murphy at 1b to sign Putz. i said keep murphy at 1B if it means holliday. putz shouldn't have an affect on laroche/hawpe. i love both of those two hitters. they're ideal for me. hawpe only making 7.5 mill too. 890 ops away from coors this past year, just can't hit a lefty to save his life
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 18, 2009 14:10:44 GMT -5
that's ridiculous. putz isn't gonna cure wagner or heilman blowing in the past. look what he did the last two years. you'd pay him 8.6 million dollars that could go to bringing in a lackey or a holliday? they have a tighter budget than ever before, really, and picking up putz eats into it. a lot. they need a 1b if they don't bring back delgado, they need an of that'll cost them 10-12 mil, and they need a number two starter. the 07 and 08 mets had much better lineups and rotations than the mets will have going into next season. the pen let them down in september, but if they have last year's sp, no way they're an 80 win team. don't tell me it's because of injuries with them--they went into it with one guy they could count on. you can't pencil in any of ollie, redding, maine to be in your rotation, and if you do, you better be looking at johan-lackey at the top. bringing back putz is a risk that solves nothing. there are much cheaper options and more important roles to fill i was responding to " there are worse things than a makeshift pen" with 07/08 comment. both of those teams win 95 games with a pen that is even average. they won 89 with the mostp athetic pens of all time. all of this is based off of a healthy putz. does a healthy putz cure heilman/show? um yes it does, that was the logic behind getting him in 09. they were trying to put together a dominant pen, but it went to shit because everyone got injured. you can't have a makeshift offense, defense, bench, pen, etc. everythin comes back to bite, and the pen is just as bad as any of those. obviously you don't re-sign putz if it means you have no money to spend elsewhere, but i don't think it does or should. it's a 2.5 million increase when 20+ is coming off. after the season that the team just had if they're not expecting to add 15 million in payroll then there is no point to even talk about what type of moves they'll make because they just won't be very good. of course you need another starter. it also didn't help that every single starter but pelfrey got injured. you need another bat. it also doesn't help that every single hitter got injured. and then every backup got injured. last year's team if healthy was easily as good as the previous two seasons. it's not like the previous two season's won the WS That's fine, but what were they doing last year with Maine, Redding, Oliver, or Livan in their rotation? 3 of the 4 would've been there regardless. And yeah, it sucks that the hitters were all hurt, but Delgado is probably gone, Reyes is a mess right now, and your lineup still has Murphy and whichever shitty catcher they go with. They have a lot of holes to fill, healthy or unhealthy, and they don't have the Yankees payroll
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Post by Ebener 12 on Oct 18, 2009 14:10:50 GMT -5
I need a PF/C. Under 11 mil guy, can trade picks + my #10 pick this year Brown who had a very nice TC.
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Post by Gossip Girl on Oct 18, 2009 14:11:01 GMT -5
Gotta stick one in the end zone here
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:11:04 GMT -5
where we're disagreeing is I don't think an extra 2.5 million should mean shit after last season. they need to put the absolute best possible team they can out there
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 18, 2009 14:12:43 GMT -5
anyway, i don't like the way the giants look lolz
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Post by Funky George! on Oct 18, 2009 14:12:59 GMT -5
need some posts
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:13:16 GMT -5
i was responding to " there are worse things than a makeshift pen" with 07/08 comment. both of those teams win 95 games with a pen that is even average. they won 89 with the mostp athetic pens of all time. all of this is based off of a healthy putz. does a healthy putz cure heilman/show? um yes it does, that was the logic behind getting him in 09. they were trying to put together a dominant pen, but it went to shit because everyone got injured. you can't have a makeshift offense, defense, bench, pen, etc. everythin comes back to bite, and the pen is just as bad as any of those. obviously you don't re-sign putz if it means you have no money to spend elsewhere, but i don't think it does or should. it's a 2.5 million increase when 20+ is coming off. after the season that the team just had if they're not expecting to add 15 million in payroll then there is no point to even talk about what type of moves they'll make because they just won't be very good. of course you need another starter. it also didn't help that every single starter but pelfrey got injured. you need another bat. it also doesn't help that every single hitter got injured. and then every backup got injured. last year's team if healthy was easily as good as the previous two seasons. it's not like the previous two season's won the WS That's fine, but what were they doing last year with Maine, Redding, Oliver, or Livan in their rotation? 3 of the 4 would've been there regardless. And yeah, it sucks that the hitters were all hurt, but Delgado is probably gone, Reyes is a mess right now, and your lineup still has Murphy and whichever shitty catcher they go with. They have a lot of holes to fill, healthy or unhealthy, and they don't have the Yankees payroll Maine/Ollie being hurt ruined the rotation. i don't like either of them but they were both fine prior to this past season. I don't care if maine/pelfrey/ollie make up the 3-4-5 of the rotation. get another good guy for #2. add some offense. don't get injured. win 90 games, don't win the WS, but it'll be worth watching. oh yeah and re-sign alex cora because i love that guy
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:13:58 GMT -5
anyway, i don't like the way the giants look lolz i stopped watching at the half. we don't have it on tv, so i could only handle an online shitty stream for so long. brutal to watch
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:15:34 GMT -5
i think hawpe is so important though. he's the kind of guy the team never has. just a good 25 homer hitter who draws walks. kind of like what floyd was supposed to be for 06 mets. and i love laroche. i'd be totally content with hawpe/laroche/piniero. holliday would be a sick add though no doubt no doubt
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:15:58 GMT -5
i think i'm more into the mets this off-season than i have been in like 3 seasons. i want them to be good so badly lol
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:16:21 GMT -5
ollie for magglio ordonez i heard as speculation, that'd be sick lol
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:17:21 GMT -5
bro you didn't respond to my vlad post. how horrible has he looked. i don't know if he's timed a fastball in any at bat i've watched. he's literally late on every pitch, no matter who is pitching. but he has the last grand slam in angels playoff history as they told us last night 10 times
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Post by Rocky on Oct 18, 2009 14:17:51 GMT -5
Adam Rubin, in a post to his blog for the Daily News, says that Tony Bernazard is close to signing with super-agent Scott Boras’ agency.
hahahah wtf
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