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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 21, 2008 16:37:40 GMT -5
Dave's team sucks Grizzlies 24 28 23 28 103 Mavericks 26 18 21 18 83 if the Grizz had a PG and a C theyd be good. All offers I've gotten for Artest are for a player playing at the same position, or a crap PG. |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2008 16:41:03 GMT -5
if the Grizz had a PG and a C theyd be good. All offers I've gotten for Artest are for a player playing at the same position, or a crap PG. I dont think you should trade any of the 3 main guys. Although i might try Butler at SF and Jackson at SG with Artest as your top backup at 1 2 3 4 . Like this maybe.... Okur-Rose-Fortson Forston-Artest-Songaila Butler-Artest-Songaila Jackson-Artest-Butler Carter-Artest-McLeod 1-Jackson 2-Butler 3-Artest |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 16:42:41 GMT -5
Martinez, do you like Boykins and Jackson?
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 21, 2008 16:47:10 GMT -5
not for artest
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 16:52:05 GMT -5
Wow, really? If you had Boykins-Jackson-Butler-Jackson-Okur as a core, you don't think that's a major upgrade?? |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Feb 21, 2008 16:57:08 GMT -5
sure but then I'll be laughed at in 2 seasons when Artest is a top 5 defender in the league.
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 17:00:40 GMT -5
sure but then I'll be laughed at in 2 seasons when Artest is a top 5 defender in the league. That's no way to GM your team. If you have two good perimeter players and want to deal your third to build a legit lineup, why wouldn't you go for two good players at positions you need? |
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 21, 2008 17:03:27 GMT -5
Wow, really? If you had Boykins-Jackson-Butler-Jackson-Okur as a core, you don't think that's a major upgrade?? Thats alot of Jacksons. |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 17:05:01 GMT -5
Wow, really? If you had Boykins-Jackson-Butler-Jackson-Okur as a core, you don't think that's a major upgrade?? Thats alot of Jacksons. Exactly my point. |
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 21, 2008 17:05:33 GMT -5
Aaron how come you always have a strong defense even though the ratings would make you think otherwise.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2008 17:05:51 GMT -5
sure but then I'll be laughed at in 2 seasons when Artest is a top 5 defender in the league. That's no way to GM your team. If you have two good perimeter players and want to deal your third to build a legit lineup, why wouldn't you go for two good players at positions you need? Eh, I disagree. You dont trade top tier talent for 2 solid starters that if they decline at all ill be solid backups. I think if Chris can pull of a deal for a top tier big man or PG Id do it, but not for solid guys. I mean he doesnt have to win till next year. Id say itd be more realistic for him to deal everyone but his top 3 and try to suck it up so he can get another top 8 pick and have tons of cap. The other scenario is to try and trade futures for solid players on bad teams like Brian Grant, Theo Papaloukas, Kurt Thomas, Etan Thomas, Stromile Swift and surround Artest, Jackson and Butler. |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 17:12:15 GMT -5
That's no way to GM your team. If you have two good perimeter players and want to deal your third to build a legit lineup, why wouldn't you go for two good players at positions you need? Eh, I disagree. You dont trade top tier talent for 2 solid starters that if they decline at all ill be solid backups. I think if Chris can pull of a deal for a top tier big man or PG Id do it, but not for solid guys. I mean he doesnt have to win till next year. Id say itd be more realistic for him to deal everyone but his top 3 and try to suck it up so he can get another top 8 pick and have tons of cap. The other scenario is to try and trade futures for solid players on bad teams like Brian Grant, Theo Papaloukas, Kurt Thomas, Etan Thomas, Stromile Swift and surround Artest, Jackson and Butler. I'd prefer getting Boykins and Jackson and holding onto firsts, but it's not like I need this deal. Just thought it made sense for both. I gotta say though, Boykins has to be a proven starter by now. The Lakers were insane with him last year, and he has to be the best distributor in BBS. 9:1 is nuts. |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2008 17:13:43 GMT -5
Eh, I disagree. You dont trade top tier talent for 2 solid starters that if they decline at all ill be solid backups. I think if Chris can pull of a deal for a top tier big man or PG Id do it, but not for solid guys. I mean he doesnt have to win till next year. Id say itd be more realistic for him to deal everyone but his top 3 and try to suck it up so he can get another top 8 pick and have tons of cap. The other scenario is to try and trade futures for solid players on bad teams like Brian Grant, Theo Papaloukas, Kurt Thomas, Etan Thomas, Stromile Swift and surround Artest, Jackson and Butler. I'd prefer getting Boykins and Jackson and holding onto firsts, but it's not like I need this deal. Just thought it made sense for both. I gotta say though, Boykins has to be a proven starter by now. The Lakers were insane with him last year, and he has to be the best distributor in BBS. 9:1 is nuts. They both sim well. I just dont like the idea of trading valuable youth for good simming vets. Id also rather trade future 1sts to get lots of quality depth then trading current talent for depth. |
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Post by Dave on Feb 21, 2008 17:14:12 GMT -5
Dave's team sucks Grizzlies 24 28 23 28 103 Mavericks 26 18 21 18 83 I agree we do suck but I like our promise to be pretty good. |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 17:14:30 GMT -5
Aaron how come you always have a strong defense even though the ratings would make you think otherwise. Not sure what you're asking me. I'm not trying to fight him on this. But the way those guys produce, I think they'd be big additons for anyone. |
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Post by Dave on Feb 21, 2008 17:15:14 GMT -5
Dave's team sucks Grizzlies 24 28 23 28 103 Mavericks 26 18 21 18 83 if the Grizz had a PG and a C theyd be good. maybe if he wouldn't have ignored my ims he could have gotten baker/brezec and hunter but no he never got back to me |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2008 17:15:48 GMT -5
Aaron how come you always have a strong defense even though the ratings would make you think otherwise. Not sure what you're asking me. I'm not trying to fight him on this. But the way those guys produce, I think they'd be big additons for anyone. I think theyd be huge additions for most teams, including his. I just dont think trading Artest is the right answer. If you wanted futures and filler for those 2 Id be interested though. |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2008 17:17:47 GMT -5
if the Grizz had a PG and a C theyd be good. maybe if he wouldn't have ignored my ims he could have gotten baker/brezec and hunter but no he never got back to me He seems disinterested. This is why he has trouble competing regularly. he has a good core, but I feel as though he expected more to happen in TC. The thing is, his TC was decent. Butler looks better. Jackson is as good, and Artest got a little better. So Im not sure what he wants. I guess he'll just sit on his 500 club, get another 10-15 pick and then have to struggle to make the playoffs. I think he should either trade everyone but the big 3 or go after some depth. I mean solid players are moving for future 2nds. |
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Post by Dave on Feb 21, 2008 17:17:57 GMT -5
there are plenty of cheap alternatives that martinez didn't go out and get he missed out on a lot while he was busy insulting people
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2008 17:18:33 GMT -5
there are plenty of cheap alternatives that martinez didn't go out and get he missed out on a lot while he was busy insulting people Well that takes a lot of effort too. |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 17:18:49 GMT -5
Not sure what you're asking me. I'm not trying to fight him on this. But the way those guys produce, I think they'd be big additons for anyone. I think theyd be huge additions for most teams, including his. I just dont think trading Artest is the right answer. If you wanted futures and filler for those 2 Id be interested though. Maybe for Jackson, but Boykins is too good for that. |
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Post by James on Feb 21, 2008 17:18:50 GMT -5
Ughh, why the hell are we winning.
Beat the Hornets and the Pistons. Drew Gooden has been AMAZING.
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Post by Dave on Feb 21, 2008 17:20:13 GMT -5
Ughh, why the hell are we winning. Beat the Hornets and the Pistons. Drew Gooden has been AMAZING. Boozer has been more impressive |
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 21, 2008 17:21:54 GMT -5
Aaron how come you always have a strong defense even though the ratings would make you think otherwise. Not sure what you're asking me. I'm not trying to fight him on this. But the way those guys produce, I think they'd be big additons for anyone. You have historic notoriety for having shutdown defenses with guys whose ratings are mediocre or just above average. I want to know what your secret is! |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 21, 2008 17:26:14 GMT -5
Not sure what you're asking me. I'm not trying to fight him on this. But the way those guys produce, I think they'd be big additons for anyone. You have historic notoriety for having shutdown defenses with guys whose ratings are mediocre or just above average. I want to know what your secret is! Ohh, my team's defense. Yeah, it's goofy. Last BBS, my defense's ratings weren't great, but Maxiell and Curry blocked everything and Hinrich was real good defender. This year, I just think everyone is a good enough defender. Miles was 2nd team All D last year. Redd went up two levels in defense and gets a lot of steals. Davis is a great positional defender. Boykins went up. I didn't expect my defense to be this good, but I didn't think it was so bad. Who knows, maybe the group plays well together. Helps that my tempo has been slow the last two sims. |
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