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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 11:56:11 GMT -5
Aaron, everything league related that isn't an attack on how I do stuff I do look at objectively. When I saw the trade posted by Dave I laughed. if it hadn't been confirmed by both teams I wouldn't have put it through. I don't care who has rivalries with who, or who doesn't like who. It doesn't matter to me. If Dave hates Martinez and wants to help other teams sabotage his chances at the playoffs, then so be it. I cant and wont go out of my way to make sure everyone is nice to each other. its ridiculous. If Chris is worried about staying in the league then he needs to step up and make some moves.
As far as cheating goes, or a guy running two teams, thats just untrue. I mean your totally implying that Blue didn't want this deal, or that Blue will do whatever Dave says. I'm quite sure Dave initiated this deal, but if Blue and Maniac both like the deal, then guess what, it goes through. It isn't cheating if Dave is gonna try and negotiate a deal for 2 other teams to look out for his best interest. he doesn't have control over different franchises, each GM is still free to make up his own mind. Comparing this situation to him controlling 2 different teams is ludicrous.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 15, 2008 11:56:50 GMT -5
If you want to 'reprimand' me go ahead. Dave came up to me with about the idea of the trade, and I liked it... what did you want me to do? I could have easily objected to it if I didn't like the deal. I don't blame you, but he made a deal for you. You didn't make that deal. It'd be ok if Dave wasn't a GM in the league, but he is, and that's complete and utter bullshit. Spencer is looking at it like Dave just gave out an idea, that's bullshit Dave went out of his way to contact another team, and then told you about the deal. If you're fine with people qutting Spencer, then good luck with everything.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 11:57:15 GMT -5
If you want to 'reprimand' me go ahead. Dave came up to me with about the idea of the trade, and I liked it... what did you want me to do? I could have easily objected to it if I didn't like the deal. Exactly. I told Dave not to post deals for other teams. No biggie. But Im not gonna tell him he cant come up with trades for other teams. This isnt kindergarten school, and Im not the milk maid.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 15, 2008 11:58:14 GMT -5
If you want to 'reprimand' me go ahead. Dave came up to me with about the idea of the trade, and I liked it... what did you want me to do? I could have easily objected to it if I didn't like the deal. Exactly. I told Dave not to post deals for other teams. No biggie. But Im not gonna tell him he cant come up with trades for other teams. This isnt kindergarten school, and Im not the milk maid. Oh no? That's ok? Then why isn't insider trading legal?
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 11:58:42 GMT -5
If you want to 'reprimand' me go ahead. Dave came up to me with about the idea of the trade, and I liked it... what did you want me to do? I could have easily objected to it if I didn't like the deal. I don't blame you, but he made a deal for you. You didn't make that deal. It'd be ok if Dave wasn't a GM in the league, but he is, and that's complete and utter bullshit. Spencer is looking at it like Dave just gave out an idea, that's bullshit Dave went out of his way to contact another team, and then told you about the deal. If you're fine with people qutting Spencer, then good luck with everything. Shall I coddle you until you're okay? Chris, if you want to quit, WTF am I supposed to do. Grow some balls man. Deal with this. If you're scared Dave is gonna try and get you out of the league, make some moves. take the challenge. Dont make BETS!
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 11:58:59 GMT -5
Exactly. I told Dave not to post deals for other teams. No biggie. But Im not gonna tell him he cant come up with trades for other teams. This isnt kindergarten school, and Im not the milk maid. Oh no? That's ok? Then why isn't insider trading legal? LOL.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 15, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
I'm the one who kept the bet, big deal?
It's funny that someone NEEDS to go out of there way to try to make me lose. I have been making moves so don't give me that bullshit.
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:00:40 GMT -5
It seems somewhat bush league.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 15, 2008 12:01:09 GMT -5
I don't blame you, but he made a deal for you. You didn't make that deal. It'd be ok if Dave wasn't a GM in the league, but he is, and that's complete and utter bullshit. Spencer is looking at it like Dave just gave out an idea, that's bullshit Dave went out of his way to contact another team, and then told you about the deal. If you're fine with people qutting Spencer, then good luck with everything. Shall I coddle you until you're okay? Chris, if you want to quit, WTF am I supposed to do. Grow some balls man. Deal with this. If you're scared Dave is gonna try and get you out of the league, make some moves. take the challenge. Dont make BETS! Spence, you're completely ignoring the point. Forget the bet. Say Martinez is just in his contract year, and Dave wants him out. Does Dave have the right to take control of another team and make trades? Jesus, look at the precedent you're setting. If a GM has another team's first, and they're the 8th seed, can he take control of 9th seed to make them better? I honestly can't believe how little this bothers you. Look at what Martinez said about Cuban. That's exactly the point. Open your eyes.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 15, 2008 12:01:26 GMT -5
whatever I'm over it, if I'm out I'm out.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:01:45 GMT -5
I'm the one who kept the bet, big deal? It's funny that someone NEEDS to go out of there way to try to make me lose. I have been making moves so don't give me that bullshit. Chris. You are an important part of this league. I want you to stay, but I don't see anything wrong with anything Dave did. Ive asked him not to post deals for other teams, and I'm quite sure he will comply. Not sure what were talking about anymore.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 15, 2008 12:03:29 GMT -5
I'm the one who kept the bet, big deal? It's funny that someone NEEDS to go out of there way to try to make me lose. I have been making moves so don't give me that bullshit. Chris. You are an important part of this league. I want you to stay, but I don't see anything wrong with anything Dave did. Ive asked him not to post deals for other teams, and I'm quite sure he will comply. Not sure what were talking about anymore. Read aaron's post.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:03:36 GMT -5
Shall I coddle you until you're okay? Chris, if you want to quit, WTF am I supposed to do. Grow some balls man. Deal with this. If you're scared Dave is gonna try and get you out of the league, make some moves. take the challenge. Dont make BETS! Spence, you're completely ignoring the point. Forget the bet. Say Martinez is just in his contract year, and Dave wants him out. Does Dave have the right to take control of another team and make trades? Jesus, look at the precedent you're setting. If a GM has another team's first, and they're the 8th seed, can he take control of 9th seed to make them better? I honestly can't believe how little this bothers you. Look at what Martinez said about Cuban. That's exactly the point. Open your eyes. Aaron, you're missing the point. Blue and Maniac both agreed to the deal. Its not like Dave bullied someone into a deal. he said, hey, why don't you guys do this, and both GMs said "OK!". That isn't cheating. Is it being persuasive? Yes. Is it being a dick? Maybe. Is it being a bully? Possibly. Is it illegal? Nope. Get mad at Maniac and Blue if you want, but I dont get why this is a big deal.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 15, 2008 12:04:23 GMT -5
it's not bothering me, i'm over it. Feel free to close this thread
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Post by DB on Mar 15, 2008 12:04:46 GMT -5
Yeah I agree that martinez should be going out to make deals if he wants to stay in the league. And I have no problem with dave talking with other gms about deals that he is not even involved in (even though that itself is ridiculous IMO), but posting deals is another thing, when you are not even involved. Why cant the two gms work it out and post, why does dave have to. I do not get that, it should not be allowed.
It is interesting that dave has yet to post in here as well. This whole thing is ridiculous, dave trying to sabotage martinez because he knows that he will not win the bet. True sportsmanship.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:05:42 GMT -5
The bet was a bad idea, mostly because Dave puts more effort into this league then almost anyone.
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Post by DB on Mar 15, 2008 12:06:48 GMT -5
milk maid! lol
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:06:49 GMT -5
it's not bothering me, i'm over it. Feel free to close this thread Why would I close it, I expect this thread to be about 10 pages long when I get back from work. I love increased post totals. ;D
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:07:06 GMT -5
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:07:55 GMT -5
Spence, you're completely ignoring the point. Forget the bet. Say Martinez is just in his contract year, and Dave wants him out. Does Dave have the right to take control of another team and make trades? Jesus, look at the precedent you're setting. If a GM has another team's first, and they're the 8th seed, can he take control of 9th seed to make them better? I honestly can't believe how little this bothers you. Look at what Martinez said about Cuban. That's exactly the point. Open your eyes. Aaron, you're missing the point. Blue and Maniac both agreed to the deal. Its not like Dave bullied someone into a deal. he said, hey, why don't you guys do this, and both GMs said "OK!". That isn't cheating. Is it being persuasive? Yes. Is it being a dick? Maybe. Is it being a bully? Possibly. Is it illegal? Nope. Get mad at Maniac and Blue if you want, but I dont get why this is a big deal. There's a bit of difference between that situation and some retarded bet. I don't have a problem with him helping both GM's work out a deal but only doing it because you want someone out of a league then posting it up before it seems both guys even agreed to it themselves is a damn bad reason. Would it be ok if I sent Shaq over to the Grizz "for the hell of it"?
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 15, 2008 12:08:51 GMT -5
Spence, you're completely ignoring the point. Forget the bet. Say Martinez is just in his contract year, and Dave wants him out. Does Dave have the right to take control of another team and make trades? Jesus, look at the precedent you're setting. If a GM has another team's first, and they're the 8th seed, can he take control of 9th seed to make them better? I honestly can't believe how little this bothers you. Look at what Martinez said about Cuban. That's exactly the point. Open your eyes. Aaron, you're missing the point. Blue and Maniac both agreed to the deal. Its not like Dave bullied someone into a deal. he said, hey, why don't you guys do this, and both GMs said "OK!". That isn't cheating. Is it being persuasive? Yes. Is it being a dick? Maybe. Is it being a bully? Possibly. Is it illegal? Nope. Get mad at Maniac and Blue if you want, but I dont get why this is a big deal. You should have the pride in BBS to keep the system legitimate. When you see shit like this, you should let the guys involved know your league has better standards than behind-the-scenes OR obvious tampering/cheating. One GM to one team, worry about your team, make deals to improve your team, not FOR another team, not to spite other guys. I had enough pride in and respect for BBS to tell Dave I wouldn't take Kirk Hinrich in the last BBS just to spite Duce. Dave has neither of these things. He's willing to do anything to spite his enemies, including cheating. You should care about this. You should tell him that if you find out he's busy tampering, you'll fire him. Jesus, it's a pattern of behavior with him. He's always picking fights. Always offering cheap deals to hurt his enemies--always. It's the same guy who was willing to create fake sigs for RCs to improve his own players BY CHEATING. Wake up to this. I think it's a bullshit move no matter the GM, but for you to ignore it because it's Dave and you think it's personal is unfair to the league, to the work you put into it. You should be angered by it especially because it is Dave.
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Post by DB on Mar 15, 2008 12:09:10 GMT -5
same and 5 different recesses. good shit.
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Post by noves on Mar 15, 2008 12:09:14 GMT -5
Dave's a fucking worthless, pain-in-the-ass douchebag, what else is new?
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:10:02 GMT -5
Aaron, you're missing the point. Blue and Maniac both agreed to the deal. Its not like Dave bullied someone into a deal. he said, hey, why don't you guys do this, and both GMs said "OK!". That isn't cheating. Is it being persuasive? Yes. Is it being a dick? Maybe. Is it being a bully? Possibly. Is it illegal? Nope. Get mad at Maniac and Blue if you want, but I dont get why this is a big deal. There's a bit of difference between that situation and some retarded bet. I don't have a problem with him helping both GM's work out a deal but only doing it because you want someone out of a league then posting it up before it seems both guys even agreed to it themselves is a damn bad reason. Would it be ok if I sent Shaq over to the Grizz "for the hell of it"? Is that really the same though? I mean I understand the, he shouldn't post for other teams line. Im trying to fix that. But both GMs agreed to a trade that actually benefits those teams. I dont see the problem there. I am a little concerned with the open trade where Dave sends a 2nd for nothing and thats something I may not process. I just dont see it as being an open and shut case of cheating, because, well, it isnt.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:11:17 GMT -5
Aaron, you're missing the point. Blue and Maniac both agreed to the deal. Its not like Dave bullied someone into a deal. he said, hey, why don't you guys do this, and both GMs said "OK!". That isn't cheating. Is it being persuasive? Yes. Is it being a dick? Maybe. Is it being a bully? Possibly. Is it illegal? Nope. Get mad at Maniac and Blue if you want, but I dont get why this is a big deal. You should have the pride in BBS to keep the system legitimate. When you see shit like this, you should let the guys involved know your league has better standards than behind-the-scenes OR obvious tampering/cheating. One GM to one team, worry about your team, make deals to improve your team, not FOR another team, not to spite other guys. I had enough pride in and respect for BBS to tell Dave I wouldn't take Kirk Hinrich in the last BBS just to spite Duce. Dave has neither of these things. He's willing to do anything to spite his enemies, including cheating. You should care about this. You should tell him that if you find out he's busy tampering, you'll fire him. Jesus, it's a pattern of behavior with him. He's always picking fights. Always offering cheap deals to hurt his enemies--always. It's the same guy who was willing to create fake sigs for RCs to improve his own players BY CHEATING. Wake up to this. I think it's a bullshit move no matter the GM, but for you to ignore it because it's Dave and you think it's personal is unfair to the league, to the work you put into it. You should be angered by it especially because it is Dave. I dont though. Why should I feel how you feel Aaron? Why is your opinion right? I am not angered. I am not upset, I dont think this is unfair. Why do you get to tell me that how you feel is how I should feel?
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