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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 15, 2008 12:12:51 GMT -5
Yeah I agree that martinez should be going out to make deals if he wants to stay in the league. And I have no problem with dave talking with other gms about deals that he is not even involved in (even though that itself is ridiculous IMO), but posting deals is another thing, when you are not even involved. Why cant the two gms work it out and post, why does dave have to. I do not get that, it should not be allowed. It is interesting that dave has yet to post in here as well. This whole thing is ridiculous, dave trying to sabotage martinez because he knows that he will not win the bet. True sportsmanship. So you've never talked to another GM on an opinion on a trade? He came with the Nesterovic thing out the blue... it was pretty a done deal from the point he IM'd me. Say that I'm giving in into his tactics... I don't think I am. I just want to make my team better. I don't care about the bet, I just want to get to 40 wins or the playoffs.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 15, 2008 12:13:18 GMT -5
You should have the pride in BBS to keep the system legitimate. When you see shit like this, you should let the guys involved know your league has better standards than behind-the-scenes OR obvious tampering/cheating. One GM to one team, worry about your team, make deals to improve your team, not FOR another team, not to spite other guys. I had enough pride in and respect for BBS to tell Dave I wouldn't take Kirk Hinrich in the last BBS just to spite Duce. Dave has neither of these things. He's willing to do anything to spite his enemies, including cheating. You should care about this. You should tell him that if you find out he's busy tampering, you'll fire him. Jesus, it's a pattern of behavior with him. He's always picking fights. Always offering cheap deals to hurt his enemies--always. It's the same guy who was willing to create fake sigs for RCs to improve his own players BY CHEATING. Wake up to this. I think it's a bullshit move no matter the GM, but for you to ignore it because it's Dave and you think it's personal is unfair to the league, to the work you put into it. You should be angered by it especially because it is Dave. I dont thought. Why should I feel how you feel Aaron? Why is your opinion right? I am not angered. I am not upset, I dont think this is unfair. Why do you get to tell me that how you feel is how I should feel? Fine, if you take it so personally that I think this is very bad for league standards, then leave it at that. But forget how I feel, and look at all the other guys who simply think what Dave did was bullshit? Do they all agree with my above post? I don't know, but if they read it, I'm sure they did agree with it, and that says something.
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:13:19 GMT -5
There's a bit of difference between that situation and some retarded bet. I don't have a problem with him helping both GM's work out a deal but only doing it because you want someone out of a league then posting it up before it seems both guys even agreed to it themselves is a damn bad reason. Would it be ok if I sent Shaq over to the Grizz "for the hell of it"? Is that really the same though? I mean I understand the, he shouldn't post for other teams line. Im trying to fix that. But both GMs agreed to a trade that actually benefits those teams. I dont see the problem there. I am a little concerned with the open trade where Dave sends a 2nd for nothing and thats something I may not process. I just dont see it as being an open and shut case of cheating, because, well, it isnt. Then let both teams work it out. Why does he need to get involved. It's not like both GM's are idiots. Guide them? Sure. Hold there hands and do it for them because you dislike a GM? Come on now. and I'm not saying veto it. It's done already. There be something against this though.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:13:35 GMT -5
I should do this, I should do that. Do you remember me telling you Aaron that you've become righteous? This is what I'm talking about. You have your opinion, thats cool. But to tell me I should do this, or feel that. Its inappropriate. Argue your points, feel how you feel, but dont tell me how I feel is incorrect.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:14:29 GMT -5
Is that really the same though? I mean I understand the, he shouldn't post for other teams line. Im trying to fix that. But both GMs agreed to a trade that actually benefits those teams. I dont see the problem there. I am a little concerned with the open trade where Dave sends a 2nd for nothing and thats something I may not process. I just dont see it as being an open and shut case of cheating, because, well, it isnt. Then let both teams work it out. Why does he need to get involved. It's not like both GM's are idiots. Guide them? Sure. Hold there hands and do it for them because you dislike a GM? Come on now. and I'm not saying veto it. It's done already. There be something against this though. If he had orchestrated this deal and not posted it, would that have been ok?
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 15, 2008 12:16:22 GMT -5
I should do this, I should do that. Do you remember me telling you Aaron that you've become righteous? This is what I'm talking about. You have your opinion, thats cool. But to tell me I should do this, or feel that. Its inappropriate. Argue your points, feel how you feel, but dont tell me how I feel is incorrect. That's what it is to argue. You argue with someone because you think they're incorrect. I'm sorry I presented it as ways you should feel, but I'm not going to step away from my points or anything. I wish you'd at least respond to what I said. I think it's important for the league.
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Post by noves on Mar 15, 2008 12:16:29 GMT -5
Then let both teams work it out. Why does he need to get involved. It's not like both GM's are idiots. Guide them? Sure. Hold there hands and do it for them because you dislike a GM? Come on now. and I'm not saying veto it. It's done already. There be something against this though. If he had orchestrated this deal and not posted it, would that have been ok? I don't think any of us would be complaining if one of the GM's of the teams in the deal had actually posted it.
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:16:59 GMT -5
Then let both teams work it out. Why does he need to get involved. It's not like both GM's are idiots. Guide them? Sure. Hold there hands and do it for them because you dislike a GM? Come on now. and I'm not saying veto it. It's done already. There be something against this though. If he had orchestrated this deal and not posted it, would that have been ok? Fine because realistically, we wouldn't know if he had anything to do with it. My main problem is the whole "showing off" part.
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Post by DB on Mar 15, 2008 12:17:18 GMT -5
Yeah I agree that martinez should be going out to make deals if he wants to stay in the league. And I have no problem with dave talking with other gms about deals that he is not even involved in (even though that itself is ridiculous IMO), but posting deals is another thing, when you are not even involved. Why cant the two gms work it out and post, why does dave have to. I do not get that, it should not be allowed. It is interesting that dave has yet to post in here as well. This whole thing is ridiculous, dave trying to sabotage martinez because he knows that he will not win the bet. True sportsmanship. So you've never talked to another GM on an opinion on a trade? He came with the Nesterovic thing out the blue... it was pretty a done deal from the point he IM'd me. Say that I'm giving in into his tactics... I don't think I am. I just want to make my team better. I don't care about the bet, I just want to get to 40 wins or the playoffs. yeah i have no problem with talking to other gms about trades at all, that is not my problem, my problem is that dave was only doing this so he could spite martinez and make him fail. He is helping you out so martinez will not succeed. I talk different deals with guys all the time, but I do not have others doing deals for him, I do not have other gms not involved in the trade posting deals. I know you are looking to make your team better, but I just do not think daves reasons for doing it are just.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 15, 2008 12:17:24 GMT -5
I should do this, I should do that. Do you remember me telling you Aaron that you've become righteous? This is what I'm talking about. You have your opinion, thats cool. But to tell me I should do this, or feel that. Its inappropriate. Argue your points, feel how you feel, but dont tell me how I feel is incorrect. That's what it is to argue. You argue with someone because you think they're incorrect. I'm sorry I presented it as ways you should feel, but I'm not going to step away from my points or anything. I wish you'd at least respond to what I said. I think it's important for the league. Ive stated numerous times, I don't see a problem with anything that Dave did. I asked him not to post deals. But if he wants to get into the ear of fellow GMs and they listen, I cant stop that.
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Post by noves on Mar 15, 2008 12:17:55 GMT -5
Dave's playing dirty...just do the same thing to him.
Those teams who can afford to, send your solid players who aren't getting any PT to Martinez's team.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 15, 2008 12:18:47 GMT -5
It concerns me no matter what. I didn't like when Dave offered me Hinrich for free in the last BBS because I thought it was outright cheating. I don't like that he has motive to take down Martinez and uses resources outside of his own team's to achieve that. It's underhanded, it's scummy. I do think it's an issue no matter what.
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:19:47 GMT -5
I hope this ends here.
If this happens to someone during a contract year after they worked hard to get a winning team, it wouldn't shock me if it pissed off a ton of the league.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 15, 2008 12:20:58 GMT -5
Dave's playing dirty...just do the same thing to him. Those teams who can afford to, send your solid players who aren't getting any PT to Martinez's team. See, this is what concerns me. I like this league too much to engage in that, because it's not fair to anyone in the league, even if Dave deserves this. Spence, this is exactly what can and will happen though, that's my fear in all this.
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Post by Speed Racer on Mar 15, 2008 12:21:08 GMT -5
You guys all must have a giant dildo rammed up your collective asses.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 15, 2008 12:21:12 GMT -5
So you've never talked to another GM on an opinion on a trade? He came with the Nesterovic thing out the blue... it was pretty a done deal from the point he IM'd me. Say that I'm giving in into his tactics... I don't think I am. I just want to make my team better. I don't care about the bet, I just want to get to 40 wins or the playoffs. yeah i have no problem with talking to other gms about trades at all, that is not my problem, my problem is that dave was only doing this so he could spite martinez and make him fail. He is helping you out so martinez will not succeed. I talk different deals with guys all the time, but I do not have others doing deals for him, I do not have other gms not involved in the trade posting deals. I know you are looking to make your team better, but I just do not think daves reasons for doing it are just. yeah i completely understand his motives, but that's irrelevant to me. I agree, it was a bad idea for him to post the deal, but like it was said earlier, had Maniac or I posted the deal, nobody would've known he tried to arrange the deal in the first place?
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:23:51 GMT -5
You guys all must have a giant dildo rammed up your collective asses. So you'll be cool with it if, say, in your contract year someone had your 1st and said person posted up deals for other teams to make sure your team didn't make the playoffs?
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Post by DB on Mar 15, 2008 12:24:07 GMT -5
yeah i have no problem with talking to other gms about trades at all, that is not my problem, my problem is that dave was only doing this so he could spite martinez and make him fail. He is helping you out so martinez will not succeed. I talk different deals with guys all the time, but I do not have others doing deals for him, I do not have other gms not involved in the trade posting deals. I know you are looking to make your team better, but I just do not think daves reasons for doing it are just. yeah i completely understand his motives, but that's irrelevant to me. I agree, it was a bad idea for him to post the deal, but like it was said earlier, had Maniac or I posted the deal, nobody would've known he tried to arrange the deal in the first place? true, and it would not be an issue, because no one would really give a shit. Who knows if and how many times people have done what dave has done in the past. We do not know it happens, nobody cares.
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Post by Speed Racer on Mar 15, 2008 12:28:12 GMT -5
You guys all must have a giant dildo rammed up your collective asses. So you'll be cool with it if, say, in your contract year someone had your 1st and said person posted up deals for other teams to make sure your team didn't make the playoffs? I don't give a fuck what other people do. I'd just try and make my team win 40 games.
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 15, 2008 12:29:17 GMT -5
How do you get a sig to show up? I've been trying but it just shows a link. I want a sig with Bosh slamming one down on top of Chandler.
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Post by DB on Mar 15, 2008 12:30:47 GMT -5
How do you get a sig to show up? I've been trying but it just shows a link. I want a sig with Bosh slamming one down on top of Chandler. and in the second one put a / in the front of img.
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 15, 2008 12:34:16 GMT -5
How do you get a sig to show up? I've been trying but it just shows a link. I want a sig with Bosh slamming one down on top of Chandler. and in the second one put a / in the front of img. K,lemme find me a picture I like and try it. Thx
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Post by nybombers3 on Mar 15, 2008 12:49:13 GMT -5
So you'll be cool with it if, say, in your contract year someone had your 1st and said person posted up deals for other teams to make sure your team didn't make the playoffs? I don't give a fuck what other people do. I'd just try and make my team win 40 games. Easy to say that now
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Post by Speed Racer on Mar 15, 2008 13:27:02 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck what other people do. I'd just try and make my team win 40 games. Easy to say that now You asked and I answered. Apologies for it not meeting your standards.
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Post by James on Mar 15, 2008 17:24:47 GMT -5
Guys just fyi, Blue wanted to make these trades...
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