The Bulls/Grizzlies Trade

[Sheryl Yoast]

db said:

clearly your sims are so great and they last so long. Right.

I laughed very hard at this comment.

[duceisinmyheart]

oink said:

allstar0608 said:

i was in the first bbs. i know this, but at some point people need to consider things intelligently. and if i was around when your trades were ruled against then i would have said the same for you. if it is legal then it should happen. the WORST thing sim leagues can do is have too many rules. my baseball sim leagues had almost no rules and they would last until we chose to end or restart them. we never had issues and kept pretty much the same 29 GMs around. the league where we had a lot of rules actually ended cuz of issues and the other ones never did. this trade or ruling obviously isnt going to end the league, but its stupid to punish something that isnt against the rules. it isnt fair to the GMs who were a part of the trade. im pretty sure if anyone who is bitching in this thread were the ones who thought of it or it benefited they would be pissed they were getting ruled against when no rule is even in place.


i personally dont give a shit. im just waiting for someone to lose in their contract year so i can get a team. but i believe ruling against either team is lame and unfair.

I agree 100 percent with this

That's exactly my point... Spencer said he was going to go through with this a week ago and then out of nowhere because people who are to inactive to keep up with the threads finally realized what was going a week later started crying about it?

Spencer brought up that if this were the NBA there would have been more stricter penalties, but unlike the NBA we never had a rule for this. I'm sure the NBA does, that's why there'd be a penalty.

I don't get how you can penalize something that is legal?

[duceisinmyheart]

and Dave the reason your trades got overruled for exploiting the loophole was because in that league there was an anti-loophole rule implemented just for you, and that rule was never carried out into this version from what I can see

[Sheryl Yoast]

I read every page, the last 4 were pretty fucking lame though.


-Andy was absolutely hilarious

-Punishing someone for rules that aren't in place until after the matter is kind of ridiculous. Was this deal shady, yeah it was, but if they knew these sanctions would be put in place do you think this trade would of been done.



Obviously what I say has no bearing or influence on anything as I am just a pig.

[Sheryl Yoast]

duceisinmyheart said:

oink said:

Missed this thread so I am going through it right now. Pretty sure it Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater.

I'm sure spence knew that.... changing it to cheater cheater was his point..

Yeah I know

[duceisinmyheart]

oink said:

I read every page, the last 4 were pretty fucking lame though.


-Andy was absolutely hilarious

-Punishing someone for rules that aren't in place until after the matter is kind of ridiculous. Was this deal shady, yeah it was, but if they knew these sanctions would be put in place do you think this trade would of been done.



Obviously what I say has no bearing or influence on anything as I am just a pig.

Adding to this

-Spencer says he knew about this even before I came out and told him supposedly, so in essence why wasn't something done then, and now? That makes no sense to me and that is my biggest gripe, sure he' s the commish so he can do whatever he wants, but really whatever he wants? So that means if he wants to veto every trade made by me, it's ok because he's the Commish? If he wants to help Chicago land a #1 pick, it's ok because he's commish? No things don't work that way so changing your mind just because people have a hatred towards me is unfair, this would NOT be getting all the attention it has been if it wasn't me who was involved.

I could care less about the penalties.. the point is you can't just change your mind about things. Life doesn't work that way.

[GMGreggor]

duceisinmyheart said:

oink said:

I read every page, the last 4 were pretty fucking lame though.


-Andy was absolutely hilarious

-Punishing someone for rules that aren't in place until after the matter is kind of ridiculous. Was this deal shady, yeah it was, but if they knew these sanctions would be put in place do you think this trade would of been done.



Obviously what I say has no bearing or influence on anything as I am just a pig.

Adding to this

-Spencer says he knew about this even before I came out and told him supposedly, so in essence why wasn't something done then, and now? That makes no sense to me and that is my biggest gripe, sure he' s the commish so he can do whatever he wants, but really whatever he wants? So that means if he wants to veto every trade made by me, it's ok because he's the Commish? If he wants to help Chicago land a #1 pick, it's ok because he's commish? No things don't work that way so changing your mind just because people have a hatred towards me is unfair, this would NOT be getting all the attention it has been if it wasn't me who was involved.

I could care less about the penalties.. the point is you can't just change your mind about things. Life doesn't work that way.

I dont think it has anything to do with you personally.
It's the trade itself.
If it makes you feel better to feel persecuted then by all means go ahead. The trade stunk. Trying to make yourself the victim doesnt change that fact.

[Sheryl Yoast]

houstongmgregg said:

duceisinmyheart said:

Adding to this

-Spencer says he knew about this even before I came out and told him supposedly, so in essence why wasn't something done then, and now? That makes no sense to me and that is my biggest gripe, sure he' s the commish so he can do whatever he wants, but really whatever he wants? So that means if he wants to veto every trade made by me, it's ok because he's the Commish? If he wants to help Chicago land a #1 pick, it's ok because he's commish? No things don't work that way so changing your mind just because people have a hatred towards me is unfair, this would NOT be getting all the attention it has been if it wasn't me who was involved.

I could care less about the penalties.. the point is you can't just change your mind about things. Life doesn't work that way.

I dont think it has anything to do with you personally.
It's the trade itself.
If it makes you feel better to feel persecuted then by all means go ahead. The trade stunk. Trying to make yourself the victim doesnt change that fact.

I think more of the point is where is the "stinky trade" rule the notfieied him of the consequences before hand.

[duceisinmyheart]

houstongmgregg said:

duceisinmyheart said:

Adding to this

-Spencer says he knew about this even before I came out and told him supposedly, so in essence why wasn't something done then, and now? That makes no sense to me and that is my biggest gripe, sure he' s the commish so he can do whatever he wants, but really whatever he wants? So that means if he wants to veto every trade made by me, it's ok because he's the Commish? If he wants to help Chicago land a #1 pick, it's ok because he's commish? No things don't work that way so changing your mind just because people have a hatred towards me is unfair, this would NOT be getting all the attention it has been if it wasn't me who was involved.

I could care less about the penalties.. the point is you can't just change your mind about things. Life doesn't work that way.

I dont think it has anything to do with you personally.
It's the trade itself.
If it makes you feel better to feel persecuted then by all means go ahead. The trade stunk. Trying to make yourself the victim doesnt change that fact.

You, like Maniac, keep missing Or “avoiding” my point, where were you guys last week when this was brought up? Why now? Spence supposedly even knew about this before last week, so why did he change his mind about his decision after Maniac went on a tirade? We also broke no rules, how can someone be punished for not breaking a rule?

That’s what I keep asking and all I get is “Spencer can do whatever he wants” or something totally off-topic.

Answer me those questions and I’ll just shutup

[Spencer]

Basically, if youre doing something that you think might be shady, I want you to think twice about it. I usually dont punish people for doing things that arent in the rules, but then again it sucks that two Gms would go out of their way to make a mockery of the league. From now on, if you do something shady, I may punish you for it, rule or not.

You can all thank Chris for this.

Thanks Chris.

[duceisinmyheart]

admin said:

Basically, if youre doing something that you think might be shady, I want you to think twice about it. I usually dont punish people for doing things that arent in the rules, but then again it sucks that two Gms would go out of their way to make a mockery of the league. From now on, if you do something shady, I may punish you for it, rule or not.

You can all thank Chris for this.

Thanks Chris.

Thank Chris?

They both came to me first and foremost with the idea, so ef you for saying that.

As for making a mockery of the league? We just exposed it's flaws, and made a rule so this sort of thing won't happen again, you can thank ME for preventing something like this happening.

[Spencer]

Martinez - Blah blah blah blah.

Me - STFU. Im right, youre wrong. GTFO.

[duceisinmyheart]

admin said:

Martinez - Blah blah blah blah.

Me - STFU. Im right, youre wrong. GTFO.

Me- Answer the questions

You- Ignore the questions. *Insert sarcasm here*. Change your mind. Change your mind again. and again and again and again.

[Speed Racer]

duceisinmyheart said:

houstongmgregg said:

I dont think it has anything to do with you personally.
It's the trade itself.
If it makes you feel better to feel persecuted then by all means go ahead. The trade stunk. Trying to make yourself the victim doesnt change that fact.

You, like Maniac, keep missing Or “avoiding” my point, where were you guys last week when this was brought up? Why now? Spence supposedly even knew about this before last week, so why did he change his mind about his decision after Maniac went on a tirade? We also broke no rules, how can someone be punished for not breaking a rule?

That’s what I keep asking and all I get is “Spencer can do whatever he wants” or something totally off-topic.

Answer me those questions and I’ll just shutup

I've said repeatedly that I didn't see the trade last week. I had no idea the trade back actually occurred until I saw 'cheaters' in the title of your thread. I never thought Play was actually serious about getting Swift back in the off season so I never really paid it much attention.

Also, I'm a lot more intelligent than you, so I was able to present a much more lucid argument that Spence obviously agreed with. It's that simple.

[duceisinmyheart]

allhailmaniac said:

duceisinmyheart said:

You, like Maniac, keep missing Or “avoiding” my point, where were you guys last week when this was brought up? Why now? Spence supposedly even knew about this before last week, so why did he change his mind about his decision after Maniac went on a tirade? We also broke no rules, how can someone be punished for not breaking a rule?

That’s what I keep asking and all I get is “Spencer can do whatever he wants” or something totally off-topic.

Answer me those questions and I’ll just shutup

I've said repeatedly that I didn't see the trade last week. I had no idea the trade back actually occurred until I saw 'cheaters' in the title of your thread. I never thought Play was actually serious about getting Swift back in the off season so I never really paid it much attention.

Also, I'm a lot more intelligent than you, so I was able to present a much more lucid argument that Spence obviously agreed with. It's that simple.

You missed the trade yet posted in the thread that was specifically pointing out me and Play's deal, you sure your smart?

Congratulations on being more intelligent than me, yet you fail to rebuttal any of my questions your answer? "Spencer can do whatever he wants" brilliant.

[Spencer]

duceisinmyheart said:

allhailmaniac said:

I've said repeatedly that I didn't see the trade last week. I had no idea the trade back actually occurred until I saw 'cheaters' in the title of your thread. I never thought Play was actually serious about getting Swift back in the off season so I never really paid it much attention.

Also, I'm a lot more intelligent than you, so I was able to present a much more lucid argument that Spence obviously agreed with. It's that simple.

You missed the trade yet posted in the thread that was specifically pointing out me and Play's deal, you sure your smart?

Congratulations on being more intelligent than me, yet you fail to rebuttal any of my questions your answer? "Spencer can do whatever he wants" brilliant.

Ive answered your question like 3 times. Its not my fault you dont get it.

[Dave]

this is still going on?

[duceisinmyheart]

admin said:

duceisinmyheart said:

You missed the trade yet posted in the thread that was specifically pointing out me and Play's deal, you sure your smart?

Congratulations on being more intelligent than me, yet you fail to rebuttal any of my questions your answer? "Spencer can do whatever he wants" brilliant.

Ive answered your question like 3 times. Its not my fault you dont get it.

Really, you answered why nothing was said supposedly weeks ago when you knew about this? Or why you changed your mind on a decision you already made?

[Speed Racer]

duceisinmyheart said:

allhailmaniac said:

I've said repeatedly that I didn't see the trade last week. I had no idea the trade back actually occurred until I saw 'cheaters' in the title of your thread. I never thought Play was actually serious about getting Swift back in the off season so I never really paid it much attention.

Also, I'm a lot more intelligent than you, so I was able to present a much more lucid argument that Spence obviously agreed with. It's that simple.

You missed the trade yet posted in the thread that was specifically pointing out me and Play's deal, you sure your smart?

Congratulations on being more intelligent than me, yet you fail to rebuttal any of my questions your answer? "Spencer can do whatever he wants" brilliant.

I didn't really read much of that thread. I just saw the post you made criticizing someone for being on the board to much while you have something like 1,400 posts. Like I said before, I wanted to call out your hypocritical idiocy. And even within that thread, I didn't realize the trade back had actually occurred. I figured Spence had caught word of what you two had planned and laid down a rule to prevent it.

And thanks for the congratulations.

[GMGreggor]

duceisinmyheart said:

houstongmgregg said:

I dont think it has anything to do with you personally.
It's the trade itself.
If it makes you feel better to feel persecuted then by all means go ahead. The trade stunk. Trying to make yourself the victim doesnt change that fact.

You, like Maniac, keep missing Or “avoiding” my point, where were you guys last week when this was brought up? Why now? Spence supposedly even knew about this before last week, so why did he change his mind about his decision after Maniac went on a tirade? We also broke no rules, how can someone be punished for not breaking a rule?

That’s what I keep asking and all I get is “Spencer can do whatever he wants” or something totally off-topic.

Answer me those questions and I’ll just shutup

I replied to you earlier in the thread maybe you did'nt see it.
I thought the reverse trade was a joke. Kinda like the trade block for your picks after Spencer has said he's taking one of them. You frequently post bogus stuff so I just took it as another bogus post. If I had realized it was serious I indeed would have said something then.

Here's what you're not grasping I think. This trade did'nt effect just you and Play. It impacted many teams. It allowed the Bulls to slide down to the 3rd pick. Does he slide that far if he has Swift? I doubt it.

And you made the playoffs I think it could be fair to say illegally.
You think Dan,Vernon or Scott would'nt have liked to sneak into the 8th seed?

The trade was bogus. And I would bet pretty good money if teams tried to do this in any professional league even if there was'nt a rule in place disciplinary measures would be taken.
You're talking about other teams money in real life via playoff revenues as well as the integrity of the league. I dont think for a second a deal like this would'nt have strict punishment applied.

[Ducky]

krupimpski424 said:

this is still going on?

Martinez is still here, right?

[duceisinmyheart]

another 1,000 post thread courtesy of ME, word.

[GMGreggor]

duceisinmyheart said:

another 1,000 post thread courtesy of ME, word.

Just curious. Were you the kid that always got caught doing stuff after everyone else got bored with it and left?

[James]

houstongmgregg said:

duceisinmyheart said:

You, like Maniac, keep missing Or “avoiding” my point, where were you guys last week when this was brought up? Why now? Spence supposedly even knew about this before last week, so why did he change his mind about his decision after Maniac went on a tirade? We also broke no rules, how can someone be punished for not breaking a rule?

That’s what I keep asking and all I get is “Spencer can do whatever he wants” or something totally off-topic.

Answer me those questions and I’ll just shutup

I replied to you earlier in the thread maybe you did'nt see it.
I thought the reverse trade was a joke. Kinda like the trade block for your picks after Spencer has said he's taking one of them. You frequently post bogus stuff so I just took it as another bogus post. If I had realized it was serious I indeed would have said something then.

Here's what you're not grasping I think. This trade did'nt effect just you and Play. It impacted many teams. It allowed the Bulls to slide down to the 3rd pick. Does he slide that far if he has Swift? I doubt it.

And you made the playoffs I think it could be fair to say illegally.
You think Dan,Vernon or Scott would'nt have liked to sneak into the 8th seed?

The trade was bogus. And I would bet pretty good money if teams tried to do this in any professional league even if there was'nt a rule in place disciplinary measures would be taken.
You're talking about other teams money in real life via playoff revenues as well as the integrity of the league. I dont think for a second a deal like this would'nt have strict punishment applied.

Best post in this thread.

[AllStar0608]

houstongmgregg said:

duceisinmyheart said:

And I would bet pretty good money if teams tried to do this in any professional league even if there was'nt a rule in place disciplinary measures would be taken.

And then the two teams that get punished would sue the league and would EASILY win. The CBA would never allow the NBA to do that.