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Post by James on May 2, 2008 0:11:07 GMT -5
It'd be a lot easier if I had 65 picks stashed up and ready to fire away. Also if you tanked and were rewarded by landing LeBron James IMO.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on May 2, 2008 0:30:24 GMT -5
We want more Pigpens!!!! Come on pig!
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2008 0:32:09 GMT -5
It'd be a lot easier if I had 65 picks stashed up and ready to fire away. Also if you tanked and were rewarded by landing LeBron James IMO. I improved from the season before. My team was awful, I didn't tank. I won the lottery and someone had to win why not me? Should we eliminate Lebron from the league because its unfair 28 teams can't have him?
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Post by James on May 2, 2008 0:44:06 GMT -5
Good idea buddy.
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Post by Outlawz on May 2, 2008 1:58:16 GMT -5
I backed it up. He built his team through a bullshit strategy that others such as myself in this league were unable to utilize. He was able to acquire resources that just aren't available to me. EIGHT PICKS. He had an eight pick head start on others in this league. The creation draft was poorly organized and it allowed teams like the Knicks to get an upper hand for the future. He had acquired other teams picks that turned out to be golden. Honestly, I don't give a fuck what you did then and what you do now. Fact: your team would not be near this level had you not been given this lovely little grace period to tank like a mother fucker. Also, I don't ever say a god damn thing about people in this league unless I'm given a reason. I never personally called you out and yet you found the need to try and trash me. All I ever said was that I wasn't given the opportunity to tank beyond belief like yourself. Shut your mouth. What picks turned out to be golden? I gave up 7 picks and tyson chandler for a guy i could have had in the 1st round of the creation draft with my own pick. So really in the end what advantage did i really have?. I dont remember getting 8 picks either. i got 3 for my first, 2 for my 2nd, i got 1 from the bulls, and another from the rockets. Ok, so that's 7 big deal. Anybody can tank but not everyone can put all the pieces to the puzzle together. If its such a bullshit strategy why are you doing it? isn't that how you acquired hinrich? What are you doing this year? tanking? But your right it's only a coincidence i've won in every league ive been in. I only have the team i have because of the deals i made in the creation draft. In bbs 2 there was no creation draft but i won 3 rings and made the finals 5 times for a league that was only 10-11 years into it. Im never into leagues in the beggining because it's kinda boring anyone can win. But dont be a bitch and try to call out the people who everyone calls out why dont you say anything about people like james, jordan, andy, and all the guys that rebuild the same way. Your new nickname is "Mini Mart". Your just another Martinez all talk no walk who just happened to inherit shaq and got arenas out of it and hasnt done shit since. Me>> you. Have you even won a ring in NBN? i won 2 over and i left in the 20's. I probably have more than you, lol
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Post by A2J on May 2, 2008 5:42:25 GMT -5
Well that's all well and good Outlawz, but I really think you should trade for Jason Kidd.
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2008 9:57:28 GMT -5
Again people make a big deal of Outlawz and I losing the one or two times we do but we build a championship quality team. There are teams who lose more often and in longer sequences and they still dont put a winning team together. So we win because we tank? but everyone else still loses while they tank? It doesn't add up
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Post by Speed Racer on May 2, 2008 10:42:33 GMT -5
Outlawz, go fuck yourself. Why am I doing what you did? I'M NOT! I DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRAB 8 BONUS PICKS. Also, it was 8. I highlighted every deal in which you traded creation draft picks.
Get over yourself dude.
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Post by Speed Racer on May 2, 2008 10:44:44 GMT -5
Haha, just the fact that you mentioned trading SEVEN PICKS for a player shows how much of a joke the process was by which you built your team. You actually had SEVEN PICKS to expend without much of a problem. I don't. Very few teams in the league do, but I was never even given the opportunity to acquire that crazy amount of picks.
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Post by Rocky on May 2, 2008 11:20:18 GMT -5
At this point, I really don't care how someone else builds their team. I just don't. I understand where Maniac is coming from because it is extremely frustrating, but I no longer look at someone tanking/accumulating picks as a cheap strategy. It's a little more difficult than it seems, and it isn't a guarantee. Outlawz tanked and was successful. Dave tanked and was successful. The goal there was to build longterm winners. But what about the other guys who tanked at the creation draft? Pig tanked, nova tanked, Tiger tanked (pretty sure that was unintentional) etc etc. They might have gotten a quality stud or two, but they're not sitting on top of the league now either. It's a difficult thing to do.
I lost Baron and have no choice but to deal off all of my assets and tank. It's not that easy. I just won 7 in a row and probably fucked up the whole thing. I only have my pick this year and next. So, it backfired. It's difficult. It's not something that I would necessarily praise anyone for, but it's also not something that I'd be annoyed by, whether I did it or not. I've never had a problem with tanking.
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2008 11:29:04 GMT -5
Again I stress there is a difference between tanking and rebuilding.
Tanking- losing when you could win with the talent you have
Rebuilding- you blow it up start from scratch
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Post by Rocky on May 2, 2008 11:34:32 GMT -5
The discrepancy between the terms doesn't really matter to me. I have no talent and am blowing it up, but I'm also trying to tank in this draft. It depends how you want to word it.
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2008 11:40:21 GMT -5
The discrepancy between the terms doesn't really matter to me. I have no talent and am blowing it up, but I'm also trying to tank in this draft. It depends how you want to word it. you are rebuilding for the future by unloading your talent you could not possibly win more games than what you are. REBUILDING
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Post by Rocky on May 2, 2008 12:54:11 GMT -5
I'm the 7th seed in the east!
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Post by Speed Racer on May 2, 2008 13:12:31 GMT -5
I have no problem with rebuilding, tanking, or whatever you choose to call it. I had no problem with Outlawz. I never personally insulted him as a person or a GM, but he called me out. All I said was that teams like his had an advantage over mine and that was a large reason why he's successful right now. He had the resources at the time to acquire such an unrealistic amount of picks. There's just no way I'd be able to currently match something like that. His team, from the creation draft, was set to become great soon enough. It was only a matter of time. GM's foolishly traded away future picks to him that ended up being quite valuable. I walked into a situation in which I really only had one valuable player, had to fight to get MY OWN picks back, and I haven't had the greatest run of luck since. Oh well. I'm not complaining about it, but people have no reason to trash me simply because I didn't have access to their slimy method of building a team.
Traditional tanking/rebuilding is fine with me. Everybody has to do it at some point. It's just a natural aspect of building a team. However, it just bothered me the way some teams were built off of the creation draft. Trading of picks should've been limited or something like that in the creation draft.
It's no big deal to me, but Outlawz needs to step off his high horse.
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Post by Spencer on May 2, 2008 13:16:39 GMT -5
I have no problem with rebuilding, tanking, or whatever you choose to call it. I had no problem with Outlawz. I never personally insulted him as a person or a GM, but he called me out. All I said was that teams like his had an advantage over mine and that was a large reason why he's successful right now. He had the resources at the time to acquire such an unrealistic amount of picks. There's just no way I'd be able to currently match something like that. His team, from the creation draft, was set to become great soon enough. It was only a matter of time. GM's foolishly traded away future picks to him that ended up being quite valuable. I walked into a situation in which I really only had one valuable player, had to fight to get MY OWN picks back, and I haven't had the greatest run of luck since. Oh well. I'm not complaining about it, but people have no reason to trash me simply because I didn't have access to their slimy method of building a team. Traditional tanking/rebuilding is fine with me. Everybody has to do it at some point. It's just a natural aspect of building a team. However, it just bothered me the way some teams were built off of the creation draft. Trading of picks should've been limited or something like that in the creation draft. It's no big deal to me, but Outlawz needs to step off his high horse. WIll took great pride in setting you up to win a title, but I think you're right in saying he only left you one really valuable piece. Brian Grant, Terrell Brandon and Jalen Rose arent exactly players that command trade interest. As for limits of trading picks, I was pretty confident that the GMs here should be held to a higher standard. I think this group of GMs is stronger then any league Ive ever been in. No need to implement rules to protect them.
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Post by Outlawz on May 3, 2008 14:39:03 GMT -5
Dont mention me if you dont want me to say anything. Me > you. I have more rings than you in NBN and i left 20 seasons ago.
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Post by Speed Racer on May 3, 2008 16:07:55 GMT -5
Fuck yourself and everything you love.
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Post by Outlawz on May 3, 2008 16:47:45 GMT -5
I love you so i guess you just fucked yourself? lol. Honestly though, dont take it personal. It's all love. Dont bring my name into shit for no reason though. Me>you. Ok, that's it im done. I think. I hope i mean
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Post by Outlawz on May 3, 2008 16:49:15 GMT -5
At this point, I really don't care how someone else builds their team. I just don't. I understand where Maniac is coming from because it is extremely frustrating, but I no longer look at someone tanking/accumulating picks as a cheap strategy. It's a little more difficult than it seems, and it isn't a guarantee. Outlawz tanked and was successful. Dave tanked and was successful. The goal there was to build longterm winners. But what about the other guys who tanked at the creation draft? Pig tanked, nova tanked, Tiger tanked (pretty sure that was unintentional) etc etc. They might have gotten a quality stud or two, but they're not sitting on top of the league now either. It's a difficult thing to do. I lost Baron and have no choice but to deal off all of my assets and tank. It's not that easy. I just won 7 in a row and probably fucked up the whole thing. I only have my pick this year and next. So, it backfired. It's difficult. It's not something that I would necessarily praise anyone for, but it's also not something that I'd be annoyed by, whether I did it or not. I've never had a problem with tanking. That's why you're #1 in my book and my pride wouldnt let me rank dave or reilly 1st lol
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Post by noves on May 3, 2008 16:54:44 GMT -5
I don't see whats wrong with what Outlawz did...it's a legitimate strategy.
If your going to call someone out, call out DJ, he's the only person who really deserves heat for the way he's run his team.
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Post by Funky George! on May 3, 2008 17:03:07 GMT -5
I don't see whats wrong with what Outlawz did...it's a legitimate strategy. If your going to call someone out, call out DJ, he's the only person who really deserves heat for the way he's run his team. Nah, by that logic, so many other guys should be called out. Galo, Keelty, Play, blah blah blah, I'd rather criticize the guys who will post than the guys who are irrelevant. It's what makes BBS interesting when Spence isn't simming. Five day sim tonight?
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Post by Outlawz on May 3, 2008 17:06:25 GMT -5
I don't see whats wrong with what Outlawz did...it's a legitimate strategy. If your going to call someone out, call out DJ, he's the only person who really deserves heat for the way he's run his team. Nah, by that logic, so many other guys should be called out. Galo, Keelty, Play, blah blah blah, I'd rather criticize the guys who will post than the guys who are irrelevant. It's what makes BBS interesting when Spence isn't simming. Five day sim tonight? Kinda gay but makes sense. Im ready for the left hand.. Wait ...that sounded mighty gay but you know what im saying. ![8-)](http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
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Post by Funky George! on May 3, 2008 17:07:19 GMT -5
Nah, by that logic, so many other guys should be called out. Galo, Keelty, Play, blah blah blah, I'd rather criticize the guys who will post than the guys who are irrelevant. It's what makes BBS interesting when Spence isn't simming. Five day sim tonight? Kinda gay but makes sense. Im ready for the left hand.. Wait ...that sounded mighty gay but you know what im saying. ![8-)](http://forums.lakersground.net/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) Like, you better be legitimately good at basketball, because I'm impossible to guard. I'm a stud.
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Post by Rocky on May 3, 2008 17:08:13 GMT -5
He's pretty good.
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