GMGreggor
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Avery
May 1, 2008 11:19:36 GMT -5
Post by GMGreggor on May 1, 2008 11:19:36 GMT -5
Dave, you're a Mavs fan right? What do you think about the Avery firing?
On one hand I think he kinda got a raw deal since I dont think he was behind the Kidd trade. But on the other hand some guys were tuning him out apparently with the partying and stuff. Namely Howard who's game has just went in the tank after that new contract he got. Heard that the Grizzlies were gonna send Gasol to the Mavs for Howard and Cuban nixed the deal. He'd like to have that one back I bet.
I think it probably is the right thing to do,mainly because I think he took this team far as he's going to. They went to the title series and were up 2-0 and they collapsed in the last 4 games of that series as well as their last 2 playoff series.
Not sure this team is gonna get better tho.They have lot of guys signed long term that are aging and probably dont hold much trade value. Those picks they moved in Kidd deal may be kinda nice for the Nets .
Dallas is about to hit the dark days again I think.
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Dave
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Avery
May 1, 2008 11:26:33 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 1, 2008 11:26:33 GMT -5
Well its not to say Avery is a bad coach but he wans't getting it done. Its hard to stick with the same guy if the general isn't commanding the max out of his troops. We've seen it before where good coaches get fired and its a matter of motivating these guys. It just wasn't gelling there was just too much of a negative stigma blowing it in the finals, losing in round 1 the past 2 years. Avery was the scapegoat.
I hated the J-Kidd deal I wrote Cuban a bunch of times stating my reasons on why to not do the deal....obviously he didn't listen and they did the deal because everyone else was making deals and thats so stupid. Kidd got Torched by Paul whereas Harris could have stayed with him and neutralized him a bit.
I don't know what the Mavs are going to do because they are stuck with a lot of contracts, no coach I want. I love D'Antoni but not for the Mavs (knicks hell yea). I'm really disinterested in the Mavs right now and NBA in general.
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Avery
May 1, 2008 11:39:24 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on May 1, 2008 11:39:24 GMT -5
Rick Carlisle! LOL.
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Avery
May 1, 2008 11:42:49 GMT -5
Post by DB on May 1, 2008 11:42:49 GMT -5
Like Cuban would listen to you, hahah.
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Avery
May 1, 2008 12:09:52 GMT -5
Post by duceisinmyheart on May 1, 2008 12:09:52 GMT -5
Cuban panicked after making a horrible trade for Kidd and got rid of Avery to To turn the heat on Avery Johnson and away from himself, Avery Johnson has the highest winning percentage in NBA history with a minimum of 250 games at like a crazy .750%
All the blame goes on Cuban, not Avery Johnson. He’s probably one of the best coaches in this league, and he will make any team happy. I can see him going to maybe Phoenix(Steve Kerr likes him) and if George Karl gets the boot maybe Denver, but I find that highly unlikely.
Regardless, another bone headed move by Cuban.
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Dave
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Avery
May 1, 2008 12:14:15 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 1, 2008 12:14:15 GMT -5
Yea Lawrence Frank also had ridiculous winning %'s too in his first few seasons. Avery was a good coach who inherited a great situation. I'm not saying its his fault why the Mavs fell but its only natural to blame the coach who you can get rid of instead of the players who you are stuck with.
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Avery
May 1, 2008 12:22:45 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on May 1, 2008 12:22:45 GMT -5
Avery is a very good coach, but he is a short term guy I think. Hes a tough guy, and I think it only works for a bit to be so highly strung. After a while you lose the team and you need to go.
Also, it would've helped for Avery to be a little more flexible after the Kidd trade, he seemed to fight it and thats never good. You need to take a step back and realize the strengths of your players and change things based on those players strengths. it seemed like Avery had a system, and was trying to plug players into his system. That doesn't work unless you have the ability to be the GM as well.
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Avery
May 1, 2008 12:33:51 GMT -5
Post by Funky George! on May 1, 2008 12:33:51 GMT -5
Avery doesn't actually know how to coach a half-court offense. The Mavs should be a dominant offensive team, Harris or Kidd, and they just weren't. He ruined Terry's situation by trying to re-define it when his play was, imo, what made the team work, and they deteriorated into a 1-on-1 offense without any screens and any perimeter ball movement, which is what used to make the Mavs so awesome. I pretty much think he's a decent coach who won't ever succeed like this again. At all.
Didn't deserve to get fired though.
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Dave
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Avery
May 1, 2008 12:39:28 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 1, 2008 12:39:28 GMT -5
change needed to happen there was too much a losing attitude in that locker room
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Avery
May 1, 2008 12:51:09 GMT -5
Post by Gossip Girl on May 1, 2008 12:51:09 GMT -5
Avery showed more intensity coaching his team than the players did playing the game. Who's to blame? hard to say, its probably a mix of the coach and the players. I agree with Krup about Avery being Cuban's scapegoat and I don't really think it was all together fair to fire him.
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GMGreggor
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Avery
May 1, 2008 13:15:33 GMT -5
Post by GMGreggor on May 1, 2008 13:15:33 GMT -5
I think he lost the lockeroom in which case Cuban really had no choice. Much as Cuban gets on my nerves I think he had no choice here.
If they win the title against the Heat,or if they dont lose in the first round against GS he'd probably still be coaching. But couple those losses with the beatdown against the Hornets and really was there a choice?
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Avery
May 1, 2008 13:54:18 GMT -5
Post by Spencer on May 1, 2008 13:54:18 GMT -5
Also, Chris Paul is awesome.
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Avery
May 1, 2008 14:25:05 GMT -5
Post by AllStar0608 on May 1, 2008 14:25:05 GMT -5
the only change that needed to be made was with the players. avery wasnt the problem. Cuban AND the players were. Cuban being so active and emotional hurts the team in the end. Any coach could tell you that.
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Avery
May 2, 2008 6:04:56 GMT -5
Post by A2J on May 2, 2008 6:04:56 GMT -5
I wake up every morning praying to see a headline on ESPN that D'Antoni has been fired.
The Raptors NEED that man. Put him in charge of this squad, a few minor personnel moves, get rid of TJ for a solid defensive minded SF, and we could make noise in the East for sure.
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Dave
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Avery
May 2, 2008 10:02:14 GMT -5
Post by Dave on May 2, 2008 10:02:14 GMT -5
I'd love to see the Mavs go after Jeff Van Gundy
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GMGreggor
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Avery
May 2, 2008 10:18:48 GMT -5
Post by GMGreggor on May 2, 2008 10:18:48 GMT -5
I'd love to see the Mavs hire someone that has enough power/guts to get in his contract the stipulation Cuban stays the hell out of the way.
What other NBA owner prctices with their team and then wants to hang out with them like he's one of the guys? He's an idiot. Can he also not see the dilemna that places him in come contract renotiation time too? Thats why so many of our guys get those long damn bad deals I think.
Cuban is willing to spend money which is what many other teams owners dont wanna do so we're lucky in that aspect, but all the other stuff that comes with him man I'm not sure it's worth it.
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Avery
May 2, 2008 13:46:08 GMT -5
Post by GMGreggor on May 2, 2008 13:46:08 GMT -5
Well, the newest on talk radio here is that Avery was the one pushing for the Kidd deal according to unamed sources in Mavs front office.
I will say this, he isnt taking the high road out. He was interviewed this morning on a station here and is basically blaming everyone but himself. Really not a very good interview.
He's saying the Mavs were lucky they even made it to finals but thanks to his coaching they did. Saying they really should'nt have made playoffs the last 2 years so it's no shock they lost in the first rd both times. The team quit listening to him in those playoff losses. When they were winning it's because of him but when they lost it's because they quit listening to him.
He's saying he's faultless basically and it's a miracle they got as far as they did, but save for his coaching they are a bunch of bums. Not a very gracious interview by him, everyone's being thrown under the bus pretty much..
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