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Post by Tigertecz on Jun 11, 2008 18:39:26 GMT -5
The England team is not good James. We have not had any impressive performances under Capello imo either. There's so much talent but nobody has managed to put it all together correctly for a consistent amount of time. I know what the key is, but it'll never happen because everyone sucks Lampard's balls. Capello basically needs to drop him, because HE CAN'T PLAY WITH GERRARD!!
Gerrard dominates the game when he plays alongside Gareth Barry, and it's been proven on a few occasions, like when Lampard was injured, but yet nobody seems to have the balls to drop Lampard and start with Gerrard and Barry. My England team would look like this:
Wayne Rooney - Michael Owen Joe Cole - Steven Gerrard - Gareth Barry - David Beckham Ashley Cole - Rio Ferdinand - John Terry - Wes Brown David James
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Post by Tigertecz on Jun 11, 2008 18:41:42 GMT -5
Oh, and Big Phil Scolari has been named the new Chelsea manager
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Post by James on Jun 11, 2008 18:43:57 GMT -5
England are good! Have faith! My team would be very very similar however probably not with Wes Brown. I'm a massive Barry fan too so I'd easily start him over Gerrard. I'd 100% keep him in the squad though to replace Gerrard when England are winning (ie. up 2-0, replace him at 70 mins etc).
And yeah, IMO, hand Chelsea the title now by 5+ points (10 if Ronaldo leaves).
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 11, 2008 20:11:23 GMT -5
England has no one that can create in midfield.
They lack the ability of someone that can play up and down, left and right. Gerard, Lampard, Beckham, are one direction players. They need someone like a Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, Xavi, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc.
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Post by Tigertecz on Jun 12, 2008 5:30:38 GMT -5
England are good! Have faith! My team would be very very similar however probably not with Wes Brown. I'm a massive Barry fan too so I'd easily start him over Gerrard. I'd 100% keep him in the squad though to replace Gerrard when England are winning (ie. up 2-0, replace him at 70 mins etc). And yeah, IMO, hand Chelsea the title now by 5+ points (10 if Ronaldo leaves). Actually I'd probably have Hargreaves there over Brown now that I think about it.
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Post by Tigertecz on Jun 12, 2008 5:31:40 GMT -5
England has no one that can create in midfield. They lack the ability of someone that can play up and down, left and right. Gerard, Lampard, Beckham, are one direction players. They need someone like a Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, Xavi, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc. When you mean "create" what do you mean? Beckham, Gerrard and Barry are all great playmakers, while Gerrard gets forward enough to score goals. Cole has pace and skills that are unlike any other English player and can attack down the flank. Lampard is a waste of space.
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Post by James on Jun 12, 2008 6:39:07 GMT -5
Yah, Gerrard is good as fuck. I rate him higher than Sneijder, Van Der Vaart and Xavi.
Take the Champions League for example. As a midfielder, he finished =2nd in goals next to Torres and Messi. He outscored, Drogba, Adebayor, Robinho, Henry, Eto etc... ALSO, he finished =3rd in assists which is just as impressive.
England have the players, they just haven't had a coach (probably since Sven) who has been able to do anything with them.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 8:25:21 GMT -5
England has no one that can create in midfield. They lack the ability of someone that can play up and down, left and right. Gerard, Lampard, Beckham, are one direction players. They need someone like a Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, Xavi, Cristiano Ronaldo, etc. When you mean "create" what do you mean? Beckham, Gerrard and Barry are all great playmakers, while Gerrard gets forward enough to score goals. Cole has pace and skills that are unlike any other English player and can attack down the flank. Lampard is a waste of space. I don't know what the word in English is, in Spain we call this type of player "un volante." Gerrard is great, don't get me wrong, but he can't take over a game in the mid-field, nor can Beckham, Barry, etc. I mean someone who if the defense isn't allowing through balls to be played, this player will dribble around them into open space and find the open man. England doesn't have that type of player that can create space. You just said it, Gerrard scores goals and assists, but he plays one direction. He's a terrible defender and not the best dribbler.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 11:27:04 GMT -5
croatia 1 - 0 germany
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 11:30:32 GMT -5
almost 2-0... they're playing great
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Post by cjmjones008 on Jun 12, 2008 11:56:03 GMT -5
I hate Germany. They are always overrated too.
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Post by noves on Jun 12, 2008 12:13:02 GMT -5
Croatia is really outplaying Germany thus far, pretty impressive.
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Post by jahallstar on Jun 12, 2008 12:18:49 GMT -5
Wow...2-0 and it should be more.
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Post by noves on Jun 12, 2008 12:19:40 GMT -5
Funky goal. Germany's D is looking awful.
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Post by noves on Jun 12, 2008 12:35:26 GMT -5
Germany's playing a LOT betters ince Schweintsteiger has come in.
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Post by noves on Jun 12, 2008 12:49:22 GMT -5
LOL @ a red & 3 yellows within 35 seconds.
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Post by noves on Jun 12, 2008 15:36:28 GMT -5
PENALTY. Wow.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 15:43:37 GMT -5
i wasn't watching was that really a penalty?
I have a feeling it wasn't.. I figure they just did it to keep them alive as they are the host country and Switzerland's already gone... they always seem to favor the host counter i.e. South Korea those fucks.
I thought they'd turn away from it this year.
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Post by noves on Jun 12, 2008 16:04:30 GMT -5
Well, it's one of those things that some refs will call, and others won't.
It was on the second take of the free kick, on the first take there was a lot of pushing and shoving, and the ref blew the whistle, went over, and told them all to knock it off. On the second take, the Polish player pretty much just grabbed the Austrian player's jersey and pushed him down.
It's debatable basically.
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Post by James on Jun 12, 2008 18:00:43 GMT -5
Chris, Gerrard is a CAM, a Central Attacking Midfielder, tracking back to defense is not his job. Even Ronaldo, he does not defend.
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Post by Tigertecz on Jun 12, 2008 18:25:13 GMT -5
When you mean "create" what do you mean? Beckham, Gerrard and Barry are all great playmakers, while Gerrard gets forward enough to score goals. Cole has pace and skills that are unlike any other English player and can attack down the flank. Lampard is a waste of space. I don't know what the word in English is, in Spain we call this type of player "un volante." Gerrard is great, don't get me wrong, but he can't take over a game in the mid-field, nor can Beckham, Barry, etc. I mean someone who if the defense isn't allowing through balls to be played, this player will dribble around them into open space and find the open man. England doesn't have that type of player that can create space. You just said it, Gerrard scores goals and assists, but he plays one direction. He's a terrible defender and not the best dribbler. He's not the best dribbler, but then that's not his game. He's not the best defender, but then he's not a defensive midfielder. I'd still have Gerrard an any dream team or whatever. I personally think he can take over games, as he has done so many times in the past for Liverpool. Beckham and Barry can't, but I think Gerrard can. Anyway, it's a moot point because the chemistry in English football is all wrong. Everyone is vastly overpaid and hardly anyone plays for the love of the game any more. They mostly play for the money and the superstardom, which is a shame. And I'm not talking about English players alone, I people who come to play in the Premiership. The exception imo is Rooney though, he just plays because he wants to play football, regardless of his salary lol.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 18:48:00 GMT -5
Chris, Gerrard is a CAM, a Central Attacking Midfielder, tracking back to defense is not his job. Even Ronaldo, he does not defend. yes he does. have you watched games ronaldo plays? he plays a full pitched game. ask any analyst check online everyone will agree england lacks any midfielder who can create
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Post by James on Jun 12, 2008 18:52:07 GMT -5
It's a chemistry problem. Guys like Lampard and Gerrard have zero problem doing their thing for their clubs (ie. they were the force behind their teams Champions League runs where they all reached further points or equal to Barca, Real, Inter, AC etc...) so to say that they can't create is naive.
Believe me, if they could put together the right team and if they could begin playing non-English football (lawl) they would be a top 6 team like they've been in past World Cups.
tbh Martinez, Spain are as bad as England (maybe worse) when it comes to choking in big tournaments though lol.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 18:53:30 GMT -5
Well there you go! That's exactly my point, England lacks a player who can CREATE! Ding ding ding. I think Gerrard is great don't get me wrong, but on a dream team? No way.
Well you're right, England lacks chemistry, but they're solid in the back, and at the forward position, but there biggest knock is in the mid-field. Like I said to James, ask any analyst or look up any forum, and they'll agree with what I'm saying.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jun 12, 2008 18:58:10 GMT -5
It's a chemistry problem. Guys like Lampard and Gerrard have zero problem doing their thing for their clubs (ie. they were the force behind their teams Champions League runs where they all reached further points or equal to Barca, Real, Inter, AC etc...) so to say that they can't create is naive. Believe me, if they could put together the right team and if they could begin playing non-English football (lawl) they would be a top 6 team like they've been in past World Cups. tbh Martinez, Spain are as bad as England (maybe worse) when it comes to choking in big tournaments though lol. Again, you're missing my point. I'm not saying Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, don't do their job, they do their job amazingly, but I'm going to say this for the last time. THEY LACK A CREATIVE PRESENCE IN THE MID-FIELD! I don't know how else to put it. Chelsea has a Malouda to help Lampard play his style. Liverpool has a Javier Mascherano, Xabi Alonso, to help Gerrard play his style. England doesn't have a Malouda or a Mascherano or a Xabi Alonso type player. That's my point. Spain at least makes any tournament, I don't think they have not qualified for a major tournament in over 30 years lol.
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