Baron Opts Out.

[Spencer]

Jul 2, 2008 11:28:47 GMT -5 jahallstar said:

3.5 mil or so a year is kind of a big deal. Thats darn near paying for the MLE.

Pretty sure the extra 20 mill is the 6th year. The Warriors can give 5-100. The Wiz can give 5-105 or 6-125. So, they small amount of difference in the first 5 years is minimal, while the large 6th year is where the extra 20 mill comes in.

[Spencer]

I just don't see how 20 million that will be paid in 6 years has anything to do with giving Mason a 1 year deal this year to try and field a better team. Would it affect them signing him long term? Yes, I can see that, I just don't see how it would, or should affect him coming back for something near the MLE.

[Spencer]

I also don't see how 20 mill in 6 years has any affect on the Luxury Tax now. I mean, obviously they wont give Mason a MAX offer too, because the contract will be too large, and in 6 years they'll have 2 guys making like 38 mill or whatever. It just seems as though the 6th year on Arenas contract has absolutely no affect on any deals signed for this year.

[jahallstar]

Lets clarify...Arenas said he'd take less a year to help them sign people to help them win....As long as they brought back AJ...which they did.

[Spencer]

Jul 2, 2008 11:39:42 GMT -5 jahallstar said:

Lets clarify...Arenas said he'd take less a year to help them sign people to help them win....As long as they brought back AJ...which they did.

Well, I think the contract that is being reported would be smaller if that were true.

[jahallstar]

Abe called him and said we will give you whatever you want. They said he'd give him the max of 6 years 126 (i think it was 126) mil. He also explained what he would do if Gil took a smaller amount. (ie get the talent to go after the ring) . Gil has said that he would take less money to stay in DC IFFFFFF they resigned AJ and tried to go after the title.

So the number being reported is the max...The Wiz pretty much said that Gil is coming back no matter what....It is up to Gil what the terms are.

[Spencer]

Knowing how crazy he is he'll sign on to play for the Yippon Giants.

[jahallstar]

He's not crazy....just unique! Fits in perfectly around here.

[Spencer]

Hes crazy.

[jahallstar]

Na if he were crazy he would have stayed in Golden St

[jahallstar]

While negotiations with free agent Jamison were relatively straightforward -- a four-year, $50 million deal that was signed Monday night -- the talks with Arenas will be much more complicated. The Wizards can sign the three-time All-Star point guard to a maximum deal worth roughly $125 million over six years, but Arenas has also said he doesn't want to hamstring the team's ability to sign other players.

[Spencer]

OK, here's the latest on the Warriors chase of Elton Brand: Golden State has offered him a five-year deal worth $90 million, which is right around the maximum allowed, and more importantly, is about $15 MILLION MORE THAN THE CLIPPERS CAN OFFER.


Why? Because in order to sign Baron Davis to his five-year, $65 million deal, the Clippers will have to renounce their rights to both Brand and Corey Maggette. Which means the Clips will become subject to the same salary cap constraints as any other team. Which means they cannot add a sixth year onto Brand's deal. Which means that five years at about $75 million is roughly their limit.


Basically, the Clips had about $27 million worth of cap space to work with once Magette and Brand opted out of their contracts Monday. According to multiple league sources, that was to be divided between Baron and Brand, with Brand coming away with a little more of the split than Baron.


Now? Baron is headed to L.A. ... And Brand has both the Clippers and Warriors playing a waiting game. So stay tuned.

Im not sure this is true, Im pretty sure they dont need to renounce brand to sign Baron. Itll be interesting to see it play out.

[Funky George!]

Is the rule really made so that a team can exceed salary cap restraints in re-signing a player with birds, but can no longer do so if they use available cap on a free agent from another team? Kinda bizarre.

[Spencer]

This is what I understand.

Birds in the NBA means that while a player is a UFA, if you keep his rights, there is a hold against the cap. With Baron, it was like 24 million, even though his contract was only 18. So when the Warriors lost Baron, or essentially lost him, they could renounce his rights and actually gain extra cap.

Now with Brand the Clippers I thought only had to renounce Maggette to get cap room for Baron. But as I read it now they needed to renounce both, and then resign Brand with just cap. So, essentially the Warriors can offer more then the Clipps because they have more cap room.

[Spencer]

I also think this is a big reason why Artest regrets not opting out. I think the Warriors, who have a hsit load of cap right now, wouldve gone after Artest for 2 years.

[Spencer]

Warriors didn't even call Baron after he opted out. Kinda funny.

[Play]

Jul 3, 2008 0:23:41 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Warriors didn't even call Baron after he opted out. Kinda funny.

wow

[Spencer]

Supposedly. Now Im reading they offered him 3 x 46, but this mightve been before he opted out.

It does seem as though the Warriors can offer more for Brand though, which is interesting.

[Johnny "B. Good" Stamos]

Aaron mentioned today how the Warriors are offering a shit ton of money to Brand.

[Johnny "B. Good" Stamos]

But he opted out so that the clippers could afford a guy like Baron.

[dj]

now the W's are offering Brand 90mil... in your face Clips.

[Spencer]

I think the Warriors have enough cap now to offer for Brand and Arenas, although Im not 100% certain. I cant imagine Brand signing with the Warriors, bu yes, it would be sweet. Ellis-Jackson-Harrington-Brand-Biedrins. Plus, the Clippers would be horrible. Davis-Mobley-Gordon-Thornton-Kaman, lol.

[Phoenix Phil]

I think EB has enough honor to return to Clips, especially after the reason he initally opted out was so the Clippers could offer a MAX contract to another player. Things change when all that money is being thrown at your face though..

But I don't really understand why the Clippers can only offer 70 mill, and not the max, for Brand... they have birds on him, no? I guess maxing him would make them Clips go over the luxury tax threshold... it's the only thing I can think of. '

[Spencer]

Apparently they had to renounce him as well to sign Baron. Which means they can use their free cap on him, but not Bird rights.

[Spencer]

But Ive heard both. Ive heard they only had to renounce Maggette, and Ive heard they had to renounce both.