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Post by GP on Jul 3, 2008 12:02:31 GMT -5
Brand better come back to the Clips. We stuck with him through thick and thin. More thin though.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 3, 2008 12:05:10 GMT -5
Apparently they had to renounce him as well to sign Baron. Which means they can use their free cap on him, but not Bird rights. oh... didn't know it worked that way
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Post by Spencer on Jul 3, 2008 12:10:59 GMT -5
This is what I understand. Birds in the NBA means that while a player is a UFA, if you keep his rights, there is a hold against the cap. With Baron, it was like 24 million, even though his contract was only 18. So when the Warriors lost Baron, or essentially lost him, they could renounce his rights and actually gain extra cap. Now with Brand the Clippers I thought only had to renounce Maggette to get cap room for Baron. But as I read it now they needed to renounce both, and then resign Brand with just cap. So, essentially the Warriors can offer more then the Clipps because they have more cap room.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 3, 2008 12:12:13 GMT -5
Its pretty confusing, and Im still not sure EB cant be offered more by the Clipps. Ive just read in 2 different spots that the Clipps had to split 27 mill starting between Brand and Davis. 13 to Davis, 14 to Brand. But even this doesn't make sense because it wouldn't allow for the increases.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 3, 2008 12:44:43 GMT -5
I think the Warriors best chance of improving is by trading for salaried players. Players like Diaw, Barbosa, Randolph, Crawford.
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Post by Funky George! on Jul 3, 2008 12:46:00 GMT -5
I think the Warriors best chance of improving is by trading for salaried players. Players like Diaw, Barbosa, Randolph, Crawford. PLEASE
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Post by Spencer on Jul 3, 2008 12:48:07 GMT -5
lol. Ya, I like Crawford some, but taking Randolph too would be rough, Warriors are desperate though. Some Warrior fans realize that a 5 year deal for Baron was a bad move, but most just think they suck for letting him go because hes been so huge to the franchise.
They need a true PG though. Most don't think Ellis will ever be a true 1. The available PGs are thin.
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Post by Funky George! on Jul 3, 2008 12:49:33 GMT -5
lol. Ya, I like Crawford some, but taking Randolph too would be rough, Warriors are desperate though. Some Warrior fans realize that a 5 year deal for Baron was a bad move, but most just think they suck for letting him go because hes been so huge to the franchise. They need a true PG though. Most don't think Ellis will ever be a true 1. The available PGs are thin. This dude has handles: youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tcCould take on PG duties. Could do anything.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 3, 2008 12:50:41 GMT -5
there is NO WAY D'Antoni gives up Crawford... he's the perfect player for his type of system.
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Post by Funky George! on Jul 3, 2008 12:52:19 GMT -5
there is NO WAY D'Antoni gives up Crawford... he's the perfect player for his type of system. He's uncomfortable even attempting layups! He's also far from a spot-up shooter. I think he's not actually that great of a fit.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 3, 2008 12:56:44 GMT -5
there is NO WAY D'Antoni gives up Crawford... he's the perfect player for his type of system. He's uncomfortable even attempting layups! He's also far from a spot-up shooter. I think he's not actually that great of a fit. He was the best player on the Knicks last season and D'Antoni knows how to maximize players to perform at their best. He did it with Diaw, Barbosa, and yes even Nash. They're likely going to sign Duhon by the looks of it... and I think if they're able to find a true PG somewhere... Crawford could be an all-star... yeah I said it.
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Post by Funky George! on Jul 3, 2008 13:00:52 GMT -5
He's uncomfortable even attempting layups! He's also far from a spot-up shooter. I think he's not actually that great of a fit. He was the best player on the Knicks last season and D'Antoni knows how to maximize players to perform at their best. He did it with Diaw, Barbosa, and yes even Nash. They're likely going to sign Duhon by the looks of it... and I think if they're able to find a true PG somewhere... Crawford could be an all-star... yeah I said it. He can put up numbers, fine. It's not hard to make the ASG as a 2, all you have to do is score a lot for a decent team. Crawford's not a very valuable player, but I'll say this: he's the only guy who really tried under Brown's system, so he's coachable. He's ridiculous off the dribble and has started using his first step for a floater at least. I like him enough as a scorer, but he's limited otherwise. Terrible passer, dunked maybe three times last year in the half-court, really doesn't have a move at the basket and is completely embarrassing defending on the ball. Duhon sucks and would be such a terrible signing. I heard they're dishing out like 11+ over the length of the deal? Oh boy. Just go with Marbury for the season. I think he's gonna bounce back big time if the Knicks hold onto him.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 3, 2008 13:40:34 GMT -5
Just because Crawford can score that doesn't necessarily make him a fit in D'Antoni's offense. A big part of D'Antoni's offense is constant ball movement, and I'm not sure if Crawford's capable enough of a passer to be a focal point of the offense
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 3, 2008 13:43:54 GMT -5
Just because Crawford can score that doesn't necessarily make him a fit in D'Antoni's offense. A big part of D'Antoni's offense is constant ball movement, and I'm not sure if Crawford's capable enough of a passer to be a focal point of the offense D'Antoni and Walsh have done nothing but praise Crawford and say how he fits perfectly in D'Antoni's system. I don't think there's no one better than D'Antoni to judge how good someone is for his system than D'Antoni himself.
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Post by Play on Jul 3, 2008 14:46:36 GMT -5
Crawford should be pretty good in D'Antoni's system.
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Post by DB on Jul 3, 2008 18:23:03 GMT -5
I hope they get rid of randolph. be nice if someone can take him.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jul 3, 2008 18:49:34 GMT -5
Duhon sucks and would be such a terrible signing. I heard they're dishing out like 11+ over the length of the deal? Oh boy. Just go with Marbury for the season. I think he's gonna bounce back big time if the Knicks hold onto him. Hm? At most, we're signing him to a 2 year deal so we can maintain the 2010 plan, I don't believe we'll be giving him the full MLE so I don't see 11+ Mil.
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Post by jahallstar on Jul 3, 2008 21:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by Outlawz on Jul 3, 2008 22:40:06 GMT -5
i heard they offered duhon 7 mil for 2 years and magic offered 3 yrs for around 10 mil
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 4, 2008 0:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by donatello2424 on Jul 4, 2008 8:12:29 GMT -5
I hope they get rid of randolph. be nice if someone can take him. I guess it is good to hope, even if it won't happen.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jul 4, 2008 14:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by donatello2424 on Jul 4, 2008 15:12:55 GMT -5
Full MLE for duhon...ehhhh, could have been had for less.
Atleast it's one less team to go after Chill.
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Post by Funky George! on Jul 4, 2008 15:29:01 GMT -5
Duhon sucks and would be such a terrible signing. I heard they're dishing out like 11+ over the length of the deal? Oh boy. Just go with Marbury for the season. I think he's gonna bounce back big time if the Knicks hold onto him. Hm? At most, we're signing him to a 2 year deal so we can maintain the 2010 plan, I don't believe we'll be giving him the full MLE so I don't see 11+ Mil. 2 years, about 12 mil...full MLE brah. Whatever.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jul 4, 2008 15:34:15 GMT -5
That post was before the deal was agreed upon brah.
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