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Post by Ducky on Jul 16, 2008 4:01:07 GMT -5
lol
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Post by jahallstar on Jul 16, 2008 9:05:17 GMT -5
Outlawz is a closet Aussie...Who else would be that blind?
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 9:15:45 GMT -5
You nor Blue obviously never played organized football before. Blue, training camp? Training camp?! LMAO! Don't make me laugh, are you serious? Most offensive lines (Broncos, Green Bay, etc) took at least two seasons to gain chemistry. Name me ONE team in which had a terrible O-Line one year and a great O-Line the next? Tampa Bay had an awful O-Line for years, and slowly but surely they rebuilt it little by little and only up until last season did they finally come together. you are a moron if you do not think faneca will have a huge impact on these young guys and generate a good o-line. Two seasons to get chemistry where do you get your information from? Chemistry is a big part in all of sports but you are basing this off of nothing. You do not know what it is like inside the locker rooms with these guys. They have had two seasons together (Mangold, Brick) I am sure everything will be fine. 9-7. WC. You are a moron for not reading my other posts. I clearly said the additions of Faneca and Woody will tremendously help D'Brick and Mangold, but they aren't going to be this incredible O-Line just because they signed two good offensive line-man. It doesn’t work that way. How am I basing this off of nothing? I am basing it off of facts and experience. I played organized football since 6th grade up until Junior year of HS. Our good O-Lines always consisted of guys who had played together for 2 or 3 years. When those guys graduated or what not, next year's O-Line ALWAYS struggled. It's a fact and Jordan will even agree with me as he already has. You can put 5 of the best O-Lineman out there on the field, having never played with each other before, and I bet they wouldn’t perform as well as a team with solid O-Lineman that have been together for at least 2 or 3 seasons. When I talk about chemistry, Dan, I'm not talking about whether or not they’re going to go for drinks after the game as buddies. I’m talking about being able to cohesively work as an O-Line. Knowing when to double team, when not to. When to back off, knowing how your QB moves around the pocket, etc etc etc. You won’t get ALL of that down with just one training camp. A minimum of a season is required to be able to know how your teammates play and move on the field. You Jets fans are all the same, always think you have this incredible team, that never plays up to your expectations. The Jets will finish at best an even .500.
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Post by DB on Jul 16, 2008 9:56:11 GMT -5
you are a moron if you do not think faneca will have a huge impact on these young guys and generate a good o-line. Two seasons to get chemistry where do you get your information from? Chemistry is a big part in all of sports but you are basing this off of nothing. You do not know what it is like inside the locker rooms with these guys. They have had two seasons together (Mangold, Brick) I am sure everything will be fine. 9-7. WC. You are a moron for not reading my other posts. I clearly said the additions of Faneca and Woody will tremendously help D'Brick and Mangold, but they aren't going to be this incredible O-Line just because they signed two good offensive line-man. It doesn’t work that way. How am I basing this off of nothing? I am basing it off of facts and experience. I played organized football since 6th grade up until Junior year of HS. Our good O-Lines always consisted of guys who had played together for 2 or 3 years. When those guys graduated or what not, next year's O-Line ALWAYS struggled. It's a fact and Jordan will even agree with me as he already has. You can put 5 of the best O-Lineman out there on the field, having never played with each other before, and I bet they wouldn’t perform as well as a team with solid O-Lineman that have been together for at least 2 or 3 seasons. When I talk about chemistry, Dan, I'm not talking about whether or not they’re going to go for drinks after the game as buddies. I’m talking about being able to cohesively work as an O-Line. Knowing when to double team, when not to. When to back off, knowing how your QB moves around the pocket, etc etc etc. You won’t get ALL of that down with just one training camp. A minimum of a season is required to be able to know how your teammates play and move on the field. You Jets fans are all the same, always think you have this incredible team, that never plays up to your expectations. The Jets will finish at best an even .500. So yeah, you are basing this off of pop warner football (which i have played too) and high school football because you think it is the same as in the nfl. It really isnt. They do not need a season to jell together. Hey maybe you right they will only be a 500 team who knows, but it does not take that long to understand your new team mates, who are around you all summer long. Yeah Some teams do not jell together right away but again these are not facts, this is your own opinion which is fine. You do not think they will work together. On the other hand you are inserting Faneca and Woody who are veterans here with a couple of guys two years out of the league and suddenly they become mentors for these guys. Chemistry does not have to take a full season, it can happen at any time through the summer, pre season, or season. It could take a two games it could take two years, you do not know. But I am sure the Jets will be fine. Even though you hate them.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 10:26:40 GMT -5
You are a moron for not reading my other posts. I clearly said the additions of Faneca and Woody will tremendously help D'Brick and Mangold, but they aren't going to be this incredible O-Line just because they signed two good offensive line-man. It doesn’t work that way. How am I basing this off of nothing? I am basing it off of facts and experience. I played organized football since 6th grade up until Junior year of HS. Our good O-Lines always consisted of guys who had played together for 2 or 3 years. When those guys graduated or what not, next year's O-Line ALWAYS struggled. It's a fact and Jordan will even agree with me as he already has. You can put 5 of the best O-Lineman out there on the field, having never played with each other before, and I bet they wouldn’t perform as well as a team with solid O-Lineman that have been together for at least 2 or 3 seasons. When I talk about chemistry, Dan, I'm not talking about whether or not they’re going to go for drinks after the game as buddies. I’m talking about being able to cohesively work as an O-Line. Knowing when to double team, when not to. When to back off, knowing how your QB moves around the pocket, etc etc etc. You won’t get ALL of that down with just one training camp. A minimum of a season is required to be able to know how your teammates play and move on the field. You Jets fans are all the same, always think you have this incredible team, that never plays up to your expectations. The Jets will finish at best an even .500. So yeah, you are basing this off of pop warner football (which i have played too) and high school football because you think it is the same as in the nfl. It really isnt. They do not need a season to jell together. Hey maybe you right they will only be a 500 team who knows, but it does not take that long to understand your new team mates, who are around you all summer long. Yeah Some teams do not jell together right away but again these are not facts, this is your own opinion which is fine. You do not think they will work together. On the other hand you are inserting Faneca and Woody who are veterans here with a couple of guys two years out of the league and suddenly they become mentors for these guys. Chemistry does not have to take a full season, it can happen at any time through the summer, pre season, or season. It could take a two games it could take two years, you do not know. But I am sure the Jets will be fine. Even though you hate them. HS football is different? LOL get real. Basone, name me ONE team in NFL history that had a horrendous O-Line one season, signed a couple of good FAs, and had a really good O-Line the next season? If you name me one team, I will shut up. If this were a D-Line we were talking about, sure I'd give them 4-5 games into a season. O-Line is probably the unit that most needs to work as a team hence why the Green Bay Packers, Denver Broncos O-Line are always together like “glue.” If you think an Offensive Line playing for the first time together is going to be up to it's potential after a training camp, well then, you have no credibility what so ever.
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Post by DB on Jul 16, 2008 11:22:33 GMT -5
So yeah, you are basing this off of pop warner football (which i have played too) and high school football because you think it is the same as in the nfl. It really isnt. They do not need a season to jell together. Hey maybe you right they will only be a 500 team who knows, but it does not take that long to understand your new team mates, who are around you all summer long. Yeah Some teams do not jell together right away but again these are not facts, this is your own opinion which is fine. You do not think they will work together. On the other hand you are inserting Faneca and Woody who are veterans here with a couple of guys two years out of the league and suddenly they become mentors for these guys. Chemistry does not have to take a full season, it can happen at any time through the summer, pre season, or season. It could take a two games it could take two years, you do not know. But I am sure the Jets will be fine. Even though you hate them. HS football is different? LOL get real. Basone, name me ONE team in NFL history that had a horrendous O-Line one season, signed a couple of good FAs, and had a really good O-Line the next season? If you name me one team, I will shut up. If this were a D-Line we were talking about, sure I'd give them 4-5 games into a season. O-Line is probably the unit that most needs to work as a team hence why the Green Bay Packers, Denver Broncos O-Line are always together like “glue.” If you think an Offensive Line playing for the first time together is going to be up to it's potential after a training camp, well then, you have no credibility what so ever. this whole argument is what ifs, we do not know what will happen. We do not know how well these guys will work together. If you forget the jets have always had a good o-line, last season was the first year in a while where it was really bad because of a couple departures. I am sure it will be fine. Like I said maybe they wont be an elite team but it will be fine. These two additions will be contagious to everyone around them, they are vets, they are good veteran offensive line men. You will see a great improvement from them.
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Post by GP on Jul 16, 2008 11:30:17 GMT -5
I don't want to butt into this discussion but I played OL two years at NCAA Division III level.
I played left tackle and stuck with a group for about 2 years. I agree that for an offensive line to be really effective, they need to have had the experience playing together for a while at least 2-3 years.
However if you get impact big-time players like an Orlando Pace in his prime or a Steve Hutchinson or even a Jonathan Ogden, it automatically soildifies one spot on your line which heightens the play of the rest the guys playing alongside you.
Not only does a stud OL help while playing but in practice you are forced to get on his level and you learn alot from them. But I think O-Lines should be together for a while before they are considered the best because its all about teamwork and camraderie, playing for the guy next to you. But if you get two or three impact guys, then things can change pretty quickly too. It's just a matter of when they gel.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 11:44:15 GMT -5
I don't want to butt into this discussion but I played OL two years at NCAA Division III level. I played left tackle and stuck with a group for about 2 years. I agree that for an offensive line to be really effective, they need to have had the experience playing together for a while at least 2-3 years. However if you get impact big-time players like an Orlando Pace in his prime or a Steve Hutchinson or even a Jonathan Ogden, it automatically soildifies one spot on your line which heightens the play of the rest the guys playing alongside you. Not only does a stud OL help while playing but in practice you are forced to get on his level and you learn alot from them. But I think O-Lines should be together for a while before they are considered the best because its all about teamwork and camraderie, playing for the guy next to you. But if you get two or three impact guys, then things can change pretty quickly too. It's just a matter of when they gel. Thank you Galo for proving me right, I’m not saying Faneca and Woody won’t improve the O-Line, they obviously will, but it won’t show for another season or two. t
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Post by DB on Jul 16, 2008 11:49:40 GMT -5
I don't want to butt into this discussion but I played OL two years at NCAA Division III level. I played left tackle and stuck with a group for about 2 years. I agree that for an offensive line to be really effective, they need to have had the experience playing together for a while at least 2-3 years. However if you get impact big-time players like an Orlando Pace in his prime or a Steve Hutchinson or even a Jonathan Ogden, it automatically soildifies one spot on your line which heightens the play of the rest the guys playing alongside you. Not only does a stud OL help while playing but in practice you are forced to get on his level and you learn alot from them. But I think O-Lines should be together for a while before they are considered the best because its all about teamwork and camraderie, playing for the guy next to you. But if you get two or three impact guys, then things can change pretty quickly too. It's just a matter of when they gel. Thank you Galo for proving me right, I’m not saying Faneca and Woody won’t improve the O-Line, they obviously will, but it won’t show for another season or two. t You said they would not gel together and would not be a good o line next year marty. He is saying that if you insert a good o-line into a system they would be better, and that is all i was saying the entire time. I never said they would be an elite team I said they would be a better team and the offensive line would be greatly improved.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 11:54:17 GMT -5
However if you get impact big-time players like an Orlando Pace in his prime or a Steve Hutchinson or even a Jonathan Ogden, it automatically soildifies one spot on your line which heightens the play of the rest the guys playing alongside you. Thanks for proving my point.
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Post by GMGreggor on Jul 16, 2008 11:54:20 GMT -5
Marty is right for once. Offensive lines particularly real good ones need to play together and develop chemistry more than any other unit probably. Secondary would probably be next.
The more each guy knows what the other guy next to him is gonna do in game circumstances the better.
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Post by GMGreggor on Jul 16, 2008 11:56:28 GMT -5
I do know you dont see any damn Australians playing OL.
Might see a kicker from Australia every once in awhile that man's up.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 11:56:55 GMT -5
The Vikings line improved a TON when Steve Hutchinson came to Minnesota. When an impact player like Faneca or Hutchinson joins your team, he elevates the performance of everyone on the line. I guarantee that there will be an instant improvement. I'm not denying that it will take a while for them to peak, but Faneca is a top 3 guard in the league, and to say the results won't show after 2-3 years is ridiculous,
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Post by GMGreggor on Jul 16, 2008 11:57:45 GMT -5
And for as big a country as Australia is and as tough as they are supposed to be how come they never have any decent boxers or anything.
Bunch of convicts turned soft from being punked out.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 12:03:16 GMT -5
However if you get impact big-time players like an Orlando Pace in his prime or a Steve Hutchinson or even a Jonathan Ogden, it automatically soildifies one spot on your line which heightens the play of the rest the guys playing alongside you. Thanks for proving my point. Did you just compare Alan Faneca and Damien Woody to Johnathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GTFO!
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 12:03:36 GMT -5
Thank you Galo for proving me right, I’m not saying Faneca and Woody won’t improve the O-Line, they obviously will, but it won’t show for another season or two. t You said they would not gel together and would not be a good o line next year marty. He is saying that if you insert a good o-line into a system they would be better, and that is all i was saying the entire time. I never said they would be an elite team I said they would be a better team and the offensive line would be greatly improved. They will not be as good this season as they will be NEXT season. THAT'S my point.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 12:06:03 GMT -5
Thanks for proving my point. Did you just compare Alan Faneca and Damien Woody to Johnathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GTFO! You are a fucking idiot... I was comparing adding Faneca to adding Hutchinson... read my other posts. I admit Hutchinson is better, but Faneca is arguably a top 3 guard in this league.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 12:06:26 GMT -5
Did you just compare Alan Faneca and Damien Woody to Johnathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GTFO! You are a fucking idiot... I was comparing adding Faneca to adding Hutchinson... read my other posts. I admit Hutchinson is better, but Faneca is arguably a top 3 guard in this league. Faneca isn't even top 5.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 12:06:51 GMT -5
Yeah he is... easily.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 12:08:26 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for you to respond to the rest of my other post... I proved that you didn't know anything about the Jets so you went on your little O-Line rant
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 12:08:40 GMT -5
You know nothing about football with that statement. I'm done arguing with Jets' fans, it's like arguing with a wall.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 12:09:33 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for you to respond to the rest of my other post... I proved that you didn't know anything about the Jets so you went on your little O-Line rant What other post? And what O-Line rant? I'm telling you the Jets aren't a playoff team, in which they will SUCK next season. You tell me they won't suck, but they're going to miss the playoffs. How does that make any sense and why is worth arguing?
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 12:11:56 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for you to respond to the rest of my other post... I proved that you didn't know anything about the Jets so you went on your little O-Line rant What other post? And what O-Line rant? I'm telling you the Jets aren't a playoff team, in which they will SUCK next season. You tell me they won't suck, but they're going to miss the playoffs. How does that make any sense and why is worth arguing? The Browns went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. You obviously didn't pay any attention to football this past season. If the Jets go 9-7 or 8-8, thats not sucking.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 16, 2008 12:14:09 GMT -5
have you seen their schedule? 1 Sep 07 NYJ @ MIA 1:00 PM - Win 2 Sep 14 NE @ NYJ 4:15 PM - Loss 3 Sep 22 NYJ @ SD 8:30 PM – Loss 4 Sep 28 ARI @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Loss 5 Bye 6 Oct 12 CIN @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Loss 7 Oct 19 NYJ @ OAK 4:15 PM - Win 8 Oct 26 KC @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Win 9 Nov 02 NYJ @ BUF 1:00 PM - Loss 10 Nov 09 STL @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Win 11 Nov 13 NYJ @ NE 8:15 PM - Loss 12 Nov 23 NYJ @ TEN 1:00 PM -Loss 13 Nov 30 DEN @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Loss 14 Dec 07 NYJ @ SF 4:05 PM - Loss 15 Dec 14 BUF @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Win 16 Dec 21 NYJ @ SEA 4:05 PM –Loss 17 Dec 28 MIA @ NYJ 1:00 PM - Win
6-10 to finish the season, I'm willing to bet... I'll give them an 8-8 AT BEST.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 16, 2008 12:14:15 GMT -5
You know nothing about football with that statement. I'm done arguing with Jets' fans, it's like arguing with a wall. Faneca's been one of the best at his position for the past 6-7 seasons, and not many will disagree with that ... stop outstmarting yourself by trying to go against the grain, it makes you look dumb.
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