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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 21, 2008 12:19:46 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 12:57:53 GMT -5
You're pathetic if an ESPN.com power rankings article is your source on which team is better
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Post by Rocky on Jul 21, 2008 14:29:54 GMT -5
Haha, power rankings. Where did the power rankings have Tampa Bay ranked pre-season in baseball? They don't matter.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 21, 2008 15:12:22 GMT -5
Haha, power rankings. Where did the power rankings have Tampa Bay ranked pre-season in baseball? They don't matter. I'm not basing what I think off of Power Rankings... but when the majority of people have the Jets listed no better than 18, I think the consensus pretty much is the Jets are not a good football team. Power Rankings or not, I think the Jets will be an awful team next season. They're going to struggle winning 8 games. Let alone, 9. |
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Post by Rocky on Jul 21, 2008 15:15:02 GMT -5
That's fair. I don't think they're that good.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 15:19:54 GMT -5
Haha, power rankings. Where did the power rankings have Tampa Bay ranked pre-season in baseball? They don't matter. I'm not basing what I think off of Power Rankings... but when the majority of people have the Jets listed no better than 18, I think the consensus pretty much is the Jets are not a good football team. Power Rankings or not, I think the Jets will be an awful team next season. They're going to struggle winning 8 games. Let alone, 9. The 'consensus' of experts (most who really don't do their research) doesn't mean anything. How often are preseason rankings right? Never? I don't think we're a good team yet, but looking at the schedule, 8 wins isn't a ridiculous estimate. |
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Post by DB on Jul 21, 2008 15:22:25 GMT -5
you can say they suck but you can't base shit off of those power rankings. That is brutal to bring them up. Jets are better than a lot of those teams in front of them from those PR.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 21, 2008 15:26:58 GMT -5
Again, my opinion came well before those rankings were posted.
We'll see come Regular Season, so this is kind of a dead subject until then.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 15:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by DB on Jul 21, 2008 15:32:04 GMT -5
how the fuck do the pats have the weakest schedule? |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 21, 2008 15:34:23 GMT -5
and yet you're the one telling me that I shouldn't base the Jet's being an awful team because they had a 4-12 record last season? That "strength of schedule table" is based on 2007 wins and losses and obviously doesn't take into account FA signings, rookie picks, or people progressing. So stop contradicting yourself. |
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Post by Rocky on Jul 21, 2008 15:38:13 GMT -5
how the fuck do the pats have the weakest schedule? It's pathetic. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 15:45:55 GMT -5
and yet you're the one telling me that I shouldn't base the Jet's being an awful team because they had a 4-12 record last season? That "strength of schedule table" is based on 2007 wins and losses and obviously doesn't take into account FA signings, rookie picks, or people progressing. So stop contradicting yourself. If you want to break it down that way, ok... let's look at some of the teams that you claimed were such hard games for the Jets... Broncos - didn't do much (DeWayne Robertson, but he sucks) Bengals - didn't do much Cardinals - didn't do much, plus their best d-back is making the transition to S and they still don't have the personnel for a 3-4 Bills - added Kawika Mitchell break it down anyway you want, when your playing the easiest division in the AFC (West), the easiest division in the NFC (West), and the 3rd place teams from every division in the AFC, have fun wasting your time trying to convince me that it's a difficult schedule. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 15:46:50 GMT -5
how the fuck do the pats have the weakest schedule? They play each AFC East team twice (and the Dolphins and Jets had horrible records) and two of the worst divisions in the NFL (AFC West and NFC West) |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Jul 21, 2008 15:57:55 GMT -5
and yet you're the one telling me that I shouldn't base the Jet's being an awful team because they had a 4-12 record last season? That "strength of schedule table" is based on 2007 wins and losses and obviously doesn't take into account FA signings, rookie picks, or people progressing. So stop contradicting yourself. If you want to break it down that way, ok... let's look at some of the teams that you claimed were such hard games for the Jets... Broncos - didn't do much (DeWayne Robertson, but he sucks) Bengals - didn't do much Cardinals - didn't do much, plus their best d-back is making the transition to S and they still don't have the personnel for a 3-4 Bills - added Kawika Mitchell break it down anyway you want, when your playing the easiest division in the AFC (West), the easiest division in the NFC (West), and the 3rd place teams from every division in the AFC, have fun wasting your time trying to convince me that it's a difficult schedule. Broncos - One of the best offensive teams in the league. Cutler has had a terrific off-season according to reports and Brandon Marshall is going to be a top 10 WR. When you got an offense that can put up 20+ a game they're a threat no matter what. Defense is also really solid with Champ Bailey and Bly at CB. Boss Bailey and DJ Williams at LB. The running game is always good as we all know. Bengals - See Broncos. They have the ability to score in bunches. Their defense has been atrocious but as long as their offense is putting up points they're a team you should be worried about. Cardinals - Leinart/Warner at QB. Fitzegerald/Boldin at WR. E.James at RB. On paper this team is stacked offensively and Fitzgerald and Boldin are still young, so is Leinart. How can you not be afraid of a Fitzgerald/Boldin tandem is beyond me. Leonard Pope is no slouch at TE either. Dockett, Bertrand Berry on the DL Dansby, Okeafor at LB. Wilson and Rolle at FS and SS... their biggest weakness is CB, but their defense is solid. Bills- You said they overachieved last season, sure, but they were a young team last season so that means they can only improve on that. Trent Edwards looks like he's going to be a good QB. We all know what Marshawn Lynch can do if he stays out of trouble. Josh Reed and Lee Evans are dangerous WR tandem. I really like their defense. Very solid all around, especially on the DL. So just because they didn't spend millions in Free Agency doens't mean jack. The Jets pulled a Redskins move. Guess what, it's not coincidence that the Redskins improved when they stopped spending so much on Free Agents and just build with what they had. The Jets will learn that lesson. |
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Post by DB on Jul 21, 2008 16:10:55 GMT -5
bengals really suck.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 16:22:27 GMT -5
Stop trying to lecture me on how FA signings aren't everything... I get it. And your the one that tried to kill me by saying the SOS list was inaccurate because FA signings among all things weren't taking into account. "Stop contradicting yourself".
Broncos - Marshall was a top 10 WR last year. Their offense looks good... zone blocking scheme is always effective, Cutler's a solid QB. But the defense? Their run defense is a JOKE. An out of shape Dwayne Robertson isn't going to fix that.
Bengals - AWFUL defense. One-dimensional offense... Rudi Johnson didn't do much last year.
Cardinals - Good at the skill positions, but the offensive line BLOWS. Defense isn't much at all, I think it's funny that your boasting about them. And you can't underestimate the adjustment from a 4-3 to a full-time 3-4 defense, especially when you your playing guys out of position
Bills - They're building their team the right way - through the trenches. But they're still way's off from being a contender. Not much better than the Jets, and Trent Edwards isn't that good. They're still very weak at WR... Hardy will be good some day, but he's not going to make an immediate impact.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jul 21, 2008 16:22:38 GMT -5
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