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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 11:35:20 GMT -5
I think we need to do something "different" with BBS. I may be only speaking for myself but it's getting kind of dull doing the same routine season after season, version after version of BBS. The college concept is a good start, but I don't know, this may only be me. I expect the hate comments to come directed at me for this, oh well. I'm all for new ideas since I see how the cyclical nature of what we have gets dull. I always enjoy it because I just think we have a perfect league more or less, but I'd be for a new idea. I really like how ABCA is international, but they don't actually do much with international concepts or players. We could introduce more intricate stuff with markets and salary, or just come up with a different era or a different pattern of draft classes. I dunno. I don't have any complaints. I thought I might favor a re-start but I like the idea of going until at least 2020 with this league. At that point we should float a lot of new ideas out there. Im pretty set on the next version of BBS starting in 1965. New faces, new stars, new drafts and the ability to legit run a 50 year league with real players.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 11:36:35 GMT -5
Obviously the things we can change are the monetary part of it. Having a budget along with the cap and needing to make money to spend money. A more strict contract year that would also mean you'd get fired for being under 500 as a GM.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Aug 16, 2008 11:36:56 GMT -5
Far from it at this point. Lots of cocky GMs who don't post, trading is impossible and I hate the league file. Too many of the same studs and too many of Ducky's draft classes, which I always have hated. No good teams have unique rosters and again, the activity around there sucks. So many guys oppose re-starting that I have no motivation to take part in it. I really like UOSL's league file. Ducky's done a really good job in creating the draft classes, but the actual draft process has always been iffy until nova came and started doing the draft notes. The worst part of UOSL are the GMs. 3/4's of them are either never around or are just really bad GM's that aren't proactive. I don't think restarting is going to do much good.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 11:38:25 GMT -5
Far from it at this point. Lots of cocky GMs who don't post, trading is impossible and I hate the league file. Too many of the same studs and too many of Ducky's draft classes, which I always have hated. No good teams have unique rosters and again, the activity around there sucks. So many guys oppose re-starting that I have no motivation to take part in it. I really like UOSL's league file. Ducky's done a really good job in creating the draft classes, but the actual draft process has always been iffy until nova came and started doing the draft notes. The worst part of UOSL are the GMs. 3/4's of them are either never around or are just really bad GM's that aren't proactive. I don't think restarting is going to do much good. I never really look to UOSL for new GMs. Donnatelo is the first guy Ive looked at from there and he isnt doing that great.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 11:39:26 GMT -5
I like Duckys ability to make draft files I just think he overloads himself and it prevents him from doing better. I mean he does the NBN file, UOSL and hes in too many leagues. If he concentrated on 1 league and simming for 1 leagues he'd do really well IMO.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 11:40:12 GMT -5
Obviously the things we can change are the monetary part of it. Having a budget along with the cap and needing to make money to spend money. A more strict contract year that would also mean you'd get fired for being under 500 as a GM. I like this, especially the second part. Would go a LONG way to force teams to think twice before tanking. I don't go after guys for tanking since everyone does it but it's such a lame, formulaic way to have a sick team. It is what it is right now, but you wouldn't have guys winning under 20 games two seasons in a row if they had to think about being over .500 overall. Because realistically, what coach survives three straight lotto seasons? You don't win under 20 games and keep your job generally, so to do it two or three times in a row? Eh. I love the fact that paying attention to cumulatives wins and losses would keep guys from going the extreme route of trying to lose 65 games when they lose and trying to win 65 games when they win.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 11:40:58 GMT -5
I really like UOSL's league file. Ducky's done a really good job in creating the draft classes, but the actual draft process has always been iffy until nova came and started doing the draft notes. The worst part of UOSL are the GMs. 3/4's of them are either never around or are just really bad GM's that aren't proactive. I don't think restarting is going to do much good. I never really look to UOSL for new GMs. Donnatelo is the first guy Ive looked at from there and he definitely is gonna be fired.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 11:44:58 GMT -5
I'm all for new ideas since I see how the cyclical nature of what we have gets dull. I always enjoy it because I just think we have a perfect league more or less, but I'd be for a new idea. I really like how ABCA is international, but they don't actually do much with international concepts or players. We could introduce more intricate stuff with markets and salary, or just come up with a different era or a different pattern of draft classes. I dunno. I don't have any complaints. I thought I might favor a re-start but I like the idea of going until at least 2020 with this league. At that point we should float a lot of new ideas out there. Im pretty set on the next version of BBS starting in 1965. New faces, new stars, new drafts and the ability to legit run a 50 year league with real players. Sounds good. The draft files changed drastically in the first BBS after it went retro. There were like 30 impact players (30 studs, really) from the 2007 draft class and the 2010 one was almost worthless. It literally had like two good players in it, haha. But now the files contain so many good role players, sleepers, busts....they're just generally more interesting so I think retro will be more fun this time around. Retro gets a bad rep. We go so fast that so many guys will be planning for drafts five, six years down the line...even 10 I bet, and that will make for a nice new aspect to the league.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Aug 16, 2008 11:46:13 GMT -5
I'm all for new ideas since I see how the cyclical nature of what we have gets dull. I always enjoy it because I just think we have a perfect league more or less, but I'd be for a new idea. I really like how ABCA is international, but they don't actually do much with international concepts or players. We could introduce more intricate stuff with markets and salary, or just come up with a different era or a different pattern of draft classes. I dunno. I don't have any complaints. I thought I might favor a re-start but I like the idea of going until at least 2020 with this league. At that point we should float a lot of new ideas out there. Im pretty set on the next version of BBS starting in 1965. New faces, new stars, new drafts and the ability to legit run a 50 year league with real players. that would be such a cool idea.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 11:58:50 GMT -5
The basic idea for the monetary part would be....
Everyone starts with 50 mill in cash.
At the end of each year, 1 mill for every win. Then subtract the total salary. Youd always need to be in the positive to stay in the league.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 12:00:07 GMT -5
Im pretty set on the next version of BBS starting in 1965. New faces, new stars, new drafts and the ability to legit run a 50 year league with real players. that would be such a cool idea. It makes too much sense. Itd be literally 15 years of players we've never seen before. Plus it would allow us to have a sick history section unless of course we have HTML problems again.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 12:02:33 GMT -5
The basic idea for the monetary part would be.... Everyone starts with 50 mill in cash. At the end of each year, 1 mill for every win. Then subtract the total salary. Youd always need to be in the positive to stay in the league. I think that's too harsh.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 12:03:49 GMT -5
I mean, there's nothing wrong with a team having a 70-75 mil payroll and averaging 50 wins, is there? That team would make cash. Fans would fill up seats, tons of merchandise, and tons of playoff wins. None of that really gets factored in. It would be impossible to stay afloat.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 12:03:59 GMT -5
The basic idea for the monetary part would be.... Everyone starts with 50 mill in cash. At the end of each year, 1 mill for every win. Then subtract the total salary. Youd always need to be in the positive to stay in the league. I think that's too harsh. Might be. Maybe 2 mill per win. IDK. Something that would be an extra deterrent to just signing or trading for random people.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 12:04:27 GMT -5
I think that's too harsh. Might be. Maybe 2 mill per win. IDK. Something that would be an extra deterrent to just signing or trading for random people. Yeah, 2 I like more. Cool concept.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 12:04:46 GMT -5
Or maybe 2 mill for wins over 35. So 50 wins would net you 65 mill? IDK. Well figure out something.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 12:07:34 GMT -5
Or maybe 2 mill for wins over 35. So 50 wins would net you 65 mill? IDK. Well figure out something. That sounds perfect.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 12:09:32 GMT -5
Or maybe 2 mill for wins over 35. So 50 wins would net you 65 mill? IDK. Well figure out something. That sounds perfect. That might be too low as well. I mean you should be able to at least break even if you win 50+. Maybe 2 mill per is better.
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Post by Speed Racer on Aug 16, 2008 12:09:37 GMT -5
I'm only in N3N and BBS.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 16, 2008 12:09:53 GMT -5
Well arent you lucky.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 12:13:01 GMT -5
That might be too low as well. I mean you should be able to at least break even if you win 50+. Maybe 2 mill per is better. 50 wins=100 mil, enabling any good team to be right at the HC without worrying about cash. Then again, there are plenty of mediocre teams with huge cap numbers right now (myself, Hawks last year come to mind) which would've gotten into serious trouble under this system, so maybe it would work.
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Post by Funky George! on Aug 16, 2008 12:13:47 GMT -5
P.S. Spence, I didn't even use a calculator to figure out that 50 wins=100 mil!
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Post by Speed Racer on Aug 16, 2008 12:53:07 GMT -5
Well arent you lucky. Apologies for telling you what leagues I'm in. I forgot the thread wasn't titled 'what other leagues are you in?'
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Post by cjmjones008 on Aug 16, 2008 15:11:06 GMT -5
I like the idea of 1965 and a more strict contract year. The money aspect needs work.
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Post by DB on Aug 16, 2008 15:44:15 GMT -5
I love the idea of starting in 1965 for the next league. I do not understand why people have such a problem with retro leagues. They are a lot of fun. Before you know it we will be in the 80s and 90s. It would be a cool thing to do.
I am in UOSL2 and BBS. I use to be in a shit load of basketball leagues.
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