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Post by A2J on Mar 23, 2008 15:20:46 GMT -5
I like Joe Smith. Utilized correctly he can still put up good numbers I think.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 23, 2008 15:25:35 GMT -5
Jax isn't overrated. He has bad TOs, but he does everything else really, really well. Way off there. Good passer, great defense (do you not value A- d and 2 spg?), excellent %s . Way off there.
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2008 15:33:20 GMT -5
Jax isn't overrated. He has bad TOs, but he does everything else really, really well. Way off there. Good passer, great defense (do you not value A- d and 2 spg?), excellent %s . Way off there. He is a #1 option and he puts up 17ppg and his turnovers are horrid. That doesn't translate to wins. His percentages are pretty good but I don't think 2spg is anything to get overly excited about. Not saying thats a bad thing but its not great many good players get 2spg if you want something to stand you you're looking at 2.5 or better. I think Jackson is more of a #3 option and if he were I think we'd see 12-13ppg which isn't that great. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2008 15:34:25 GMT -5
I like Joe Smith. Utilized correctly he can still put up good numbers I think. Agreed he can be useful still but people were hyping him big in the offseason and I think within a season or 2 he will totally fall off the map. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2008 15:36:02 GMT -5
Aaron is there a more worthy candidate at SG you can think of?
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Post by A2J on Mar 23, 2008 15:41:45 GMT -5
I like Joe Smith. Utilized correctly he can still put up good numbers I think. Agreed he can be useful still but people were hyping him big in the offseason and I think within a season or 2 he will totally fall off the map. I disagree with you there as well, but for reasons other than his current performance. |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 23, 2008 15:55:28 GMT -5
yeah he plays on the Lakers SG Ricky Davis
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Post by Ducky on Mar 23, 2008 16:23:32 GMT -5
Jwill overrated?
lol. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in this league talk about Jwill. I don't think people even know he's in this league, haha.
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2008 16:26:42 GMT -5
yeah he plays on the Lakers SG Ricky Davis Davis is a #2 option putting up same ppg as Jackson #1 option and Davis is on a winning franchise. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2008 16:31:07 GMT -5
Jwill overrated? lol. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in this league talk about Jwill. I don't think people even know he's in this league, haha. One of the few A handle guys in the league and with only 8apg and almost 4topg I'd say overrated. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 23, 2008 16:40:19 GMT -5
I don't think Jackson is in the right role, but he needs to be the primary scorer in Memphis. But that doesn't make him overrated.
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Post by Ducky on Mar 23, 2008 16:56:15 GMT -5
Jwill overrated? lol. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in this league talk about Jwill. I don't think people even know he's in this league, haha. One of the few A handle guys in the league and with only 8apg and almost 4topg I'd say overrated. MAybe. I guess for the ratings he has, he underachieves. But that's a lot different than being underrated. Whatever. He made the allstar game so I should probably stfu, haha. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 23, 2008 19:01:01 GMT -5
One of the few A handle guys in the league and with only 8apg and almost 4topg I'd say overrated. MAybe. I guess for the ratings he has, he underachieves. But that's a lot different than being underrated. Whatever. He made the allstar game so I should probably stfu, haha. Yea all my picks are subject to criticism and I'm sure others could be put into their place but hey I'm just looking for a +50 and some solid opportunity to post pad on debate..... Jwill sucks! |
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Post by DB on Mar 23, 2008 19:26:52 GMT -5
i think this is pretty spot on.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 24, 2008 8:45:13 GMT -5
yeah he plays on the Lakers SG Ricky Davis Davis is a #2 option putting up same ppg as Jackson #1 option and Davis is on a winning franchise. because he's on a winning franchise he gets the nod? He makes more than Jackson, get's less steals, less %, and gets the same amount of turnovers basically, but just because he's on a winning team he gets the nod...brilliant thinking. |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 24, 2008 8:50:49 GMT -5
Ricky Davis 35.4 16.3 6.7 2.8 1.6 0.2 3.4 .458 .768 .410
$8,738,333 $9,612,166 $10,486,000 $11,359,833 $12,233,666 $13,107,500
Stephen Jackson 35.8 17.8 5.4 3.7 2.1 0.2 3.7 .464 .841 .445
$5,800,000 $6,400,000 $7,000,000 $7,600,000
based on salaries... Davis is way overratde.
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Post by A2J on Mar 24, 2008 9:30:44 GMT -5
He's overpaid but not necessarily overrated. How much a player gets paid is one GMs view of their worth, whether a player is overrated or not depends on a lot more than that.
Though I don't think SJax is overrated, I don't think he's rated very highly by the majority of the league's GMs, we can all see his turnovers.
I'd argue a more fitting candidate would be Desmond Mason, even though I love him to death, he hasn't shown the ability to produce on a winning team. We'll see if that changes with Indy.
I'd also say that for the amount of hype I've given him compared with his performance, RJ is pretty overrated too.
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2008 10:09:46 GMT -5
Davis is a #2 option putting up same ppg as Jackson #1 option and Davis is on a winning franchise. because he's on a winning franchise he gets the nod? He makes more than Jackson, get's less steals, less %, and gets the same amount of turnovers basically, but just because he's on a winning team he gets the nod...brilliant thinking. I think this is where you would tell me WAAAAAAHHHHHHH CRY BABY but instead of being so immature I'll restate my thinking behind things saying that Ricky Davis is #2 option while Stephen Jackson is #1. Davis also has average ratings and some would say he over produces with those ratings. Jackson has pretty high ratings and he is looked at to be the franchise guy on the grizzlies but doesn't produce like one. |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 24, 2008 10:32:46 GMT -5
because he's on a winning franchise he gets the nod? He makes more than Jackson, get's less steals, less %, and gets the same amount of turnovers basically, but just because he's on a winning team he gets the nod...brilliant thinking. I think this is where you would tell me WAAAAAAHHHHHHH CRY BABY but instead of being so immature I'll restate my thinking behind things saying that Ricky Davis is #2 option while Stephen Jackson is #1. Davis also has average ratings and some would say he over produces with those ratings. Jackson has pretty high ratings and he is looked at to be the franchise guy on the grizzlies but doesn't produce like one. there are two people who would be considered "franchise" guys ahead of Jackson on the Grizzlies, and that's Butler and Billups. And no David, I don't cry. I just give facts, real facts, unlike you who come up with complete bullshit. For the amount of money Davis is paid, I think he's much more overrated than SJax, as most people will agree. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2008 10:36:56 GMT -5
I think this is where you would tell me WAAAAAAHHHHHHH CRY BABY but instead of being so immature I'll restate my thinking behind things saying that Ricky Davis is #2 option while Stephen Jackson is #1. Davis also has average ratings and some would say he over produces with those ratings. Jackson has pretty high ratings and he is looked at to be the franchise guy on the grizzlies but doesn't produce like one. there are two people who would be considered "franchise" guys ahead of Jackson on the Grizzlies, and that's Butler and Billups. And no David, I don't cry. I just give facts, real facts, unlike you who come up with complete bullshit. For the amount of money Davis is paid, I think he's much more overrated than SJax, as most people will agree. You say I say bullshit to avoid the facts that I give. Ricky Davis got paid through a last chance offer so its not like Hernando offered him that money but rather gave him that money to avoid free agency. So he might be over paid but not over valued. |
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 24, 2008 11:02:33 GMT -5
there are two people who would be considered "franchise" guys ahead of Jackson on the Grizzlies, and that's Butler and Billups. And no David, I don't cry. I just give facts, real facts, unlike you who come up with complete bullshit. For the amount of money Davis is paid, I think he's much more overrated than SJax, as most people will agree. You say I say bullshit to avoid the facts that I give. Ricky Davis got paid through a last chance offer so its not like Hernando offered him that money but rather gave him that money to avoid free agency. So he might be over paid but not over valued. "So he might be overpaid but not over valued." So by that statement alone SJax shouldn't even be on this list, because SJax is extremely undervalued. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2008 11:05:03 GMT -5
He is your #1 option, you kept him over Ron Artest, how would you even claim you don't over value him?
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 24, 2008 11:15:12 GMT -5
He is your #1 option, you kept him over Ron Artest, how would you even claim you don't over value him? I kept Butler over Artest retard. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2008 11:33:46 GMT -5
haha ok boss
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