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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 0:08:51 GMT -5
Oscar is the fucking man sucks to see him go out like that I give Oscar kudos on one thing. He fought any damn one that would fight him. Did'nt duck anybody which cant be said for most fighters.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Dec 7, 2008 0:12:49 GMT -5
we did it
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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 0:15:56 GMT -5
Oscar was a great lightweight. Just dominating. When he moved up to welter tho he lost a lot of his power. Or rather his punches did'nt have the same effect is the more accurate way to put it I guess. Which usually is what happens. Thats why what Pacman did is so impressive to me. Oscar still has a solid chin,not great but good.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 0:21:23 GMT -5
Pacman was great. He really looked incredible and good for him. Oscar has been my favorite fighter for over a decade. He was never afraid to fight anyone and he always wanted the best possible fight. Oscar legs were there the whole time, his face was fucked up because of all the punches he took but i think that he was more hurt mentally rather than physically. He took a beating but the whole time he had his legs under him and you saw that manny wasn't getting that KO punch to get Oscar to the ground. He did land soo many punches that it obviously had an effect on Oscar but more than anything i think was just oscar being mentally defeated after he realized how fast, accurate, and disciplined Manny was right for the get go. He never had a chance to do ANYTHING at all because There was always a jab right in the middle of his face. Great fight by Manny and he was truly truly dominant.
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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 0:27:09 GMT -5
So he was'nt knocked down? I thought in the picture he was on the canvas. Gonna have to see it on replay. Oscar used to be one of my favorite fighters till he went the Sugar Ray Leonard route and just fought big fights pretty much. I lost some respect for him when he did that. Number one you lose your sharpness and dont give as good a fight as you could but more than that it's just trying to get big paydays and saying hell with the rest.
I just grew up in a different era of boxing where guys fought more frequently as a general rule I guess.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 0:33:37 GMT -5
Yeah you watched some pretty damn great fighters in your day that i wish i could have. No he wasn't knocked out his trainer stopped the fight. His face was a mess but his legs were there. Never wobbled or anything but like i said he just had no answer to anything Manny did at all. He just took punch after punch never did a thing. He made over 100 mil in his last 3 fights and over 1 billion in his career. He did go up in weight to try to find better big time fights but i dont blame him. I would try to move up and conquer as many weight classes as possible like he once did. Fucking sucks to see him lose like this made me soo sad
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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 0:43:02 GMT -5
Oscar just fought too long like most do. Hopefully he'll retire. Oscar really had no business fighting Hopkins though. That was a mismatch from the get go.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 0:47:33 GMT -5
Yeah Hopkins was too much for him, so much bigger and stronger. Many thought that was what he was gonna do in this fight. Emanuel Steward said that he was shocked that Oscar was 147, he thought he was gonna use his size to his advantage and show up at almost 155 or higher. Either way he fought a terrible fight. Never used his jabs, opened up too much, his left hook was nowhere to be found and his right hand, which is supposed to be the counter hand for a fighter like manny, had no power and looked like shit. Terrible fight but at the same time it was how manny fought and just owned Oscar right from the start.
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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 0:47:49 GMT -5
I'll say this, Oscar is one of the top lightweights I ever saw. I think he beats Duran at lightweight personally. Duran had trouble with taller fighters. Oscar woulda beat him I'd bet money on. Now when he moved up to welter he lost some dominance, he was a good welter but I dont think he beats Leonard,Hearns would have been interesting but Tommy probably takes him too. If Hearns could keep you off him and plant his feet with his long arms and leverage he was a killer puncher at welterweight.
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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 0:49:46 GMT -5
Yeah Hopkins was too much for him, so much bigger and stronger. Many thought that was what he was gonna do in this fight. Emanuel Steward said that he was shocked that Oscar was 147, he thought he was gonna use his size to his advantage and show up at almost 155 or higher. Either way he fought a terrible fight. Never used his jabs, opened up too much, his left hook was nowhere to be found and his right hand, which is supposed to be the counter hand for a fighter like manny, had no power and looked like shit. Terrible fight but at the same time it was how manny fought and just owned Oscar right from the start. Reflexes sound like they're gone. Thats a bad sign. When a fighter just does'nt seem able to pull the trigger it's time to quit.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 0:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah Hopkins was too much for him, so much bigger and stronger. Many thought that was what he was gonna do in this fight. Emanuel Steward said that he was shocked that Oscar was 147, he thought he was gonna use his size to his advantage and show up at almost 155 or higher. Either way he fought a terrible fight. Never used his jabs, opened up too much, his left hook was nowhere to be found and his right hand, which is supposed to be the counter hand for a fighter like manny, had no power and looked like shit. Terrible fight but at the same time it was how manny fought and just owned Oscar right from the start. Reflexes sound like they're gone. Thats a bad sign. When a fighter just does'nt seem able to pull the trigger it's time to quit. Yup he looked way too slow and couldn't see all those punches manny was throwing. In a way i do really think its time to call it a career but i dont like the way it had to end.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 1:00:59 GMT -5
Damn it, im so sad. Not even angry at the fact that he lost but sad at the way that he did. Fuck.
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Post by GMGreggor on Dec 7, 2008 1:11:02 GMT -5
Damn it, im so sad. Not even angry at the fact that he lost but sad at the way that he did. Fuck. I can understand. That reminds me of a funny story actually. When George Foreman lost to Jimmy Young when I was a kid it killed me. I was mad as hell. We lived in some apartments. I had some boxing gloves and went out back and started hitting a tree like a heavy bag. Some neighbor called the police on me saying there was a crazy person beating up a tree. Damn police showed up and asked me if I was on drugs etc. I just had to laugh,they thought I was crazy. Took me home to my mom and told her and she started laughing too. They thought we were idiots I'm sure.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 1:12:21 GMT -5
hahahaha thats hilarious.
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Post by DB on Dec 7, 2008 1:20:19 GMT -5
hahahaha
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