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Post by easy on Dec 9, 2008 9:38:31 GMT -5
What a sad defensive display. Meh, worst defensive game we've played in like 4 seasons. No idea what went wrong, we just simply couldn't tackle. The biggest thing is is that we were able to put up points against a solid defense and almost came back. That's why I'm not worried about this loss. Our defense won't allow for a game like this to happen again, and if our offense continues to play like we did last night, I think we're going to surprise a few people in the playoffs. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 9, 2008 10:56:30 GMT -5
What a sad defensive display. Meh, worst defensive game we've played in like 4 seasons. No idea what went wrong, we just simply couldn't tackle. The biggest thing is is that we were able to put up points against a solid defense and almost came back. That's why I'm not worried about this loss. Our defense won't allow for a game like this to happen again, and if our offense continues to play like we did last night, I think we're going to surprise a few people in the playoffs. Wow, ridiculous. Absurd logic. |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 9, 2008 10:59:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that's awful.
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Post by easy on Dec 9, 2008 11:44:35 GMT -5
What's ridiculous logic? Our offense has never been able to play from behind.. and when we did we would always lose. We've came back from 3 games of more than 10+ points already this season. Our defense hasn't played this bad in a long time.
With our offense putting up points and our defense continuing to be solid as they have been pre-this Monday night game, I think we can go deep into the playoffs.
What's so absurd about my logic? I don't get it, you guys just call me an idiot and absurd but never give a reason.
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Post by Speed Racer on Dec 9, 2008 11:48:49 GMT -5
It wasn't a devastating loss but it was an ugly loss. Certainly something that a team can rebound from. NFC South teams have been on point at home this season and the Panthers just continued that trend. I don't think the Bucs are quite as good as the Giants or Panthers (both of whom look like the favorites in the NFC right now), but I'd take the Bucs over the Cardinals, Vikings, and most of the other teams in the NFC race.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 9, 2008 13:05:42 GMT -5
What's ridiculous logic? Our offense has never been able to play from behind.. and when we did we would always lose. We've came back from 3 games of more than 10+ points already this season. Our defense hasn't played this bad in a long time. With our offense putting up points and our defense continuing to be solid as they have been pre-this Monday night game, I think we can go deep into the playoffs. What's so absurd about my logic? I don't get it, you guys just call me an idiot and absurd but never give a reason. Hahahah, I didn't even read your posts! I just wanted to make you mad. I didn't even notice you mentioned the Jets in your other post. Their pass D is fucking horrendous against teams with good second receivers, and it's because they never give different looks in pass coverage. That's why Denver, Arizona (even they gave Warner about 200 extra yards in the 4th alone for free), NE, SD (they suck, but they were on fire that game) have had their way against the Jets. Awful CBs outside of Revis, and they don't blitz Rhodes anymore even though he's shit in pass coverage. Pace is actually good in coverage and I like matching him against TEs, which they don't do enough, even though they play TEs pretty well . Elam is active but average in coverage. He's not physical at all in guarding the middle, neither is Rhodes. They always let receivers slip behind them. He's the one they've sent in blitzes most frequently, but not often enough. I will say that they are very willing to sag and allow lots of yardage when they have a lead (Ari, Ten, Buf, even NE when they thought they had the game in hand), and the SD game early on in the year probably makes it look worse than it actually is. The pass D has had some very good stretches, but of late, the line hasn't put any pressure on QBs (Cassel, btw, threw for 400 because QBs that leave the pocket well kill the Jets, and not many teams have taken note of that), they don't blitz, and Lowery, Law and Poteat get exposed. Their line could cure a lot of this if it would play like it did during most of the win streak. They haven't gotten any pass rush of late at all, and their DBs not named Revis aren't talented enough to not have any support from the line. As for the Bucs, jeez. That's a pretty damning loss, and I think you're being a homer. It means they can't stop a good ground game, period, and the Giants and Panthers are standing in their way, then. I don't know how you can make so many "it just happened" type of excuses. And what's with the whole putting up points thing? 23 is average. And, I mean, they got dominated by the Panthers ground game. |
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Post by easy on Dec 9, 2008 13:12:12 GMT -5
What's ridiculous logic? Our offense has never been able to play from behind.. and when we did we would always lose. We've came back from 3 games of more than 10+ points already this season. Our defense hasn't played this bad in a long time. With our offense putting up points and our defense continuing to be solid as they have been pre-this Monday night game, I think we can go deep into the playoffs. What's so absurd about my logic? I don't get it, you guys just call me an idiot and absurd but never give a reason. Hahahah, I didn't even read your posts! I just wanted to make you mad. I didn't even notice you mentioned the Jets in your other post. Their pass D is fucking horrendous against teams with good second receivers, and it's because they never give different looks in pass coverage. That's why Denver, Arizona (even they gave Warner about 200 extra yards in the 4th alone for free), NE, SD (they suck, but they were on fire that game) have had their way against the Jets. Awful CBs outside of Revis, and they don't blitz Rhodes anymore even though he's shit in pass coverage. Pace is actually good in coverage and I like matching him against TEs, which they don't do enough, even though they play TEs pretty well . Elam is active but average in coverage. He's not physical at all in guarding the middle, neither is Rhodes. They always let receivers slip behind them. He's the one they've sent in blitzes most frequently, but not often enough. I will say that they are very willing to sag and allow lots of yardage when they have a lead (Ari, Ten, Buf, even NE when they thought they had the game in hand), and the SD game early on in the year probably makes it look worse than it actually is. The pass D has had some very good stretches, but of late, the line hasn't put any pressure on QBs (Cassel, btw, threw for 400 because QBs that leave the pocket well kill the Jets, and not many teams have taken note of that), they don't blitz, and Lowery, Law and Poteat get exposed. Their line could cure a lot of this if it would play like it did during most of the win streak. They haven't gotten any pass rush of late at all, and their DBs not named Revis aren't talented enough to not have any support from the line. As for the Bucs, jeez. That's a pretty damning loss, and I think you're being a homer. It means they can't stop a good ground game, period, and the Giants and Panthers are standing in their way, then. I don't know how you can make so many "it just happened" type of excuses. And what's with the whole putting up points thing? 23 is average. And, I mean, they got dominated by the Panthers ground game. We've been stopping the run all year... we did it to the Panthers in our first match up 27-3. I'm not being a homer but we've been stopping the run all season except for this one game. Maniac is right it's not a "hit the panic button" type loss, I am nervous a little that we couldn't tackle worth a damn, yeah, absolutely, but Tampa Bay isn't THAT bad.. When we've won it's because our D held the opponent to 21 points or less, though throwing those deep TDs to Antonio Bryant who's been surprising me with his ridiculous playing, is a positive sign for any Bucs fan who's watched mediocre offense after mediocre offense. Sure, this offense in many ways is still mediocre compared to other teams out there, but it's showed me something I haven't even seen from them and that's the ability to come from behind. I don't think Tampa Bay will allow 300+ yards on the ground again this season... I just don't see it happening. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Dec 9, 2008 13:55:27 GMT -5
What's ridiculous logic? Our offense has never been able to play from behind.. and when we did we would always lose. We've came back from 3 games of more than 10+ points already this season. Our defense hasn't played this bad in a long time. With our offense putting up points and our defense continuing to be solid as they have been pre-this Monday night game, I think we can go deep into the playoffs. What's so absurd about my logic? I don't get it, you guys just call me an idiot and absurd but never give a reason. aren't two of those comeback wins against KC and Detroit? Yeah.... |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 9, 2008 13:57:44 GMT -5
I don't know why you're brushing off this loss so much, let alone taking positives from it because the offense scored 23 points. Carolina is a team they'll likely have to beat in the playoffs and they got beat badly. The season isn't over, but there are very few positives to take from it.
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Post by easy on Dec 9, 2008 14:00:00 GMT -5
What's ridiculous logic? Our offense has never been able to play from behind.. and when we did we would always lose. We've came back from 3 games of more than 10+ points already this season. Our defense hasn't played this bad in a long time. With our offense putting up points and our defense continuing to be solid as they have been pre-this Monday night game, I think we can go deep into the playoffs. What's so absurd about my logic? I don't get it, you guys just call me an idiot and absurd but never give a reason. aren't two of those comeback wins against KC and Detroit? Yeah.... It's the NFL. Any team is dangerous and when you come back from 17 points and 21 points in the second half to win, I think that's quite an achievement. |
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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 9, 2008 14:02:31 GMT -5
The NFL is wide open right now so I can see any hot team that makes the playoff winning it all.
Bucs should still be the 5 or 6 seed and they have a team that can compete with anyone. Will they win the superbowl? I highly doubt it but they are going to have a good chance
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Post by easy on Dec 9, 2008 14:05:38 GMT -5
I don't know why you're brushing off this loss so much, let alone taking positives from it because the offense scored 23 points. Carolina is a team they'll likely have to beat in the playoffs and they got beat badly. The season isn't over, but there are very few positives to take from it. When was I "brushing it off?" I clearly stated numerous times I am worried about this game and our inability to tackle. Again, I'll also state, yes we scored 23 points, but it's not the amount of points scored it's that we kept coming back. As a Tampa Bay Bucs fan if we trailed by more than 14 points in any game, we almost NEVER expected to come back. Our offenses were always incapable of doing such things. We lost last night because of our Defense, not because of our offense, since '96 I don't believe ever witnessing a game where the defense played so poorly and the offense played so well. It's usually we play poorly on both sides of the ball, or play poorly on offense. It's understandable where you fail to see the positives, as no one in here follows the Bucs like I do, but yeah the tackling issue is something that needs to be addressed, but we have argueably one of the best defensive coordinators in the game in Kiffin, and he'll make sure a repeat performance won't happen. |
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Post by easy on Dec 9, 2008 14:07:28 GMT -5
Also, we destroyed Carolina the first go around 27-3. Yes there were injuries to the OL of the Panthers, but we dominated that game creating turnovers, stopping the run AND the pass.
So just as bad as they beat us, we beat them just as bad if not worse.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Dec 9, 2008 14:13:27 GMT -5
aren't two of those comeback wins against KC and Detroit? Yeah.... It's the NFL. Any team is dangerous and when you come back from 17 points and 21 points in the second half to win, I think that's quite an achievement. They made up the deficit against the Lions very early. Neither of those teams can run the ball so it's a hell of alot easier to get the ball back and score. Both defenses suck. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Dec 9, 2008 14:19:05 GMT -5
What's ridiculous logic? Our offense has never been able to play from behind.. and when we did we would always lose. We've came back from 3 games of more than 10+ points already this season. Our defense hasn't played this bad in a long time. With our offense putting up points and our defense continuing to be solid as they have been pre-this Monday night game, I think we can go deep into the playoffs. What's so absurd about my logic? I don't get it, you guys just call me an idiot and absurd but never give a reason. Hahahah, I didn't even read your posts! I just wanted to make you mad. I didn't even notice you mentioned the Jets in your other post. Their pass D is fucking horrendous against teams with good second receivers, and it's because they never give different looks in pass coverage. That's why Denver, Arizona (even they gave Warner about 200 extra yards in the 4th alone for free), NE, SD (they suck, but they were on fire that game) have had their way against the Jets. Awful CBs outside of Revis, and they don't blitz Rhodes anymore even though he's shit in pass coverage. Pace is actually good in coverage and I like matching him against TEs, which they don't do enough, even though they play TEs pretty well . Elam is active but average in coverage. He's not physical at all in guarding the middle, neither is Rhodes. They always let receivers slip behind them. He's the one they've sent in blitzes most frequently, but not often enough. I will say that they are very willing to sag and allow lots of yardage when they have a lead (Ari, Ten, Buf, even NE when they thought they had the game in hand), and the SD game early on in the year probably makes it look worse than it actually is. The pass D has had some very good stretches, but of late, the line hasn't put any pressure on QBs (Cassel, btw, threw for 400 because QBs that leave the pocket well kill the Jets, and not many teams have taken note of that), they don't blitz, and Lowery, Law and Poteat get exposed. Their line could cure a lot of this if it would play like it did during most of the win streak. They haven't gotten any pass rush of late at all, and their DBs not named Revis aren't talented enough to not have any support from the line. I agree with most of what you said but the Jets have not played TE's well at all. |
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