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Post by Spencer on Feb 4, 2008 12:47:44 GMT -5
I for one am only slightly looking forward to baseball. Being a Giant fan there isnt much to be excited about, except maybe life after Bonds. Pretty excited that he is gone.
The pitching should be decent. Cain, Lincecum, Lowry, Zito should be one of the better rotations. The bullpen will be mediocre again though.
Offensively the Giants will struggle mightily unless a youngster can surprise or an older player can bounce back and have a great year.
I say were lucky to get to 500.
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Post by KJKeelty on Feb 4, 2008 13:03:30 GMT -5
I for one am only slightly looking forward to baseball. Being a Giant fan there isnt much to be excited about, except maybe life after Bonds. Pretty excited that he is gone. The pitching should be decent. Cain, Lincecum, Lowry, Zito should be one of the better rotations. The bullpen will be mediocre again though. Offensively the Giants will struggle mightily unless a youngster can surprise or an older player can bounce back and have a great year. I say were lucky to get to 500. Didn't Cain really suck last year? I expected him to be real good, seems to have solid stuff. He's young, he'll figure it out eventually I guess. Red Sox are gonna be as good or better than last year, I think. The only thing I'd worry about is someone like Lowell having a down year. I can't imagine he'll be as good as he was last year. But if Manny comes back to his usual levels, it'll even itself out I guess. Longterm, Sox really need to find a potential replacement for Varitek behind the plate. He doesn't have a ton left in the tank. |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 4, 2008 13:14:53 GMT -5
He didn't suck, but he was a disappointment. I mean he's supposed to be a stud, so anything less then 15 wins and a sub 3.5 era will lead to disappointment. He was 7-16 mostly cause he got no run support. His ERA was a respectable 3.65. 200 IP. 173 hits allowed.
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Post by KJKeelty on Feb 4, 2008 13:17:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I do remember that, he did not get much run support.
Looks as if AZ is the class of that division in '08.
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 4, 2008 13:17:52 GMT -5
Cain wasn't bad at all...saw him pitch a few times, and I remember his numbers. Just racked up the losses, but was really a pretty good pitcher. He's not Lincecum, but he's going to be a great no. 2. However, the Giants, as an organizaton, are ridiculously pathetic.
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Post by KJKeelty on Feb 4, 2008 13:19:28 GMT -5
Cain wasn't bad at all...saw him pitch a few times, and I remember his numbers. Just racked up the losses, but was really a pretty good pitcher. He's not Lincecum, but he's going to be a great no. 2. However, the Giants, as an organizaton, are ridiculously pathetic. Yeah, I definitely like Cain. He pitched here at Fenway last season I believe, showed some real good potential. |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 4, 2008 13:29:05 GMT -5
Cain wasn't bad at all...saw him pitch a few times, and I remember his numbers. Just racked up the losses, but was really a pretty good pitcher. He's not Lincecum, but he's going to be a great no. 2. However, the Giants, as an organizaton, are ridiculously pathetic. Sabean is pretty mediocre. He says were gonna rebuild, then he goes out and wants old players again this year. Pretty sad. We do have some nice pitching though so ya never know. |
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Post by Rocky on Feb 4, 2008 13:32:52 GMT -5
Cain wasn't bad at all...saw him pitch a few times, and I remember his numbers. Just racked up the losses, but was really a pretty good pitcher. He's not Lincecum, but he's going to be a great no. 2. However, the Giants, as an organizaton, are ridiculously pathetic. Yup. |
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Post by Spencer on Feb 4, 2008 13:33:58 GMT -5
Zito signing was obviously horrible.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Feb 4, 2008 16:34:44 GMT -5
it will be interesting to see how some top pitchers like bedard, haren, and santana play in new ballparks, and how the latter two play in a new league.
Go mets
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Post by cjmjones008 on Feb 4, 2008 16:49:07 GMT -5
Zito signing was obviously horrible. i have a feeling that cordero contract is going to be worse for the reds if he works out the reds bullpen should actually be above average (or good if younger guys get better) if homer bailey lives up to the hype then the reds should be a contender for the central... who knows I am definitely ready for Jay Bruce though |
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Post by Garf2000 on Feb 4, 2008 17:48:59 GMT -5
Mets.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Feb 4, 2008 18:39:45 GMT -5
Zito signing was obviously horrible. i have a feeling that cordero contract is going to be worse for the reds if he works out the reds bullpen should actually be above average (or good if younger guys get better) if homer bailey lives up to the hype then the reds should be a contender for the central... who knows I am definitely ready for Jay Bruce though that cordero signing couldnt have possibly been better. its a relatively short deal for a guy who has quite a few years left. the reds biggest weakness the past idk how many years has been the closer role. They got a top notch closer. Last year they were among the MLB lead in blown saves and leads blown after (some random inning). I saw a stat on ESPN last year that said if the Reds converted the LEAGUE AVERAGE for saves last year they would have won the NL Central. Considering they are a young team for the most part with 3 strong # 3 to ace (projected, Bailey, Volquez, Cueto, + another one scouts are big on in Maloney) pitchers in AAA, it was a fantastic deal because they finally went out and paid to get an FA that they desperately needed. Plus a lot of money is freed up next year when Griffey is finally gone! |
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 4, 2008 18:56:28 GMT -5
CJ, how could you ever compare the Zito deal to the Reds signing Cordero?
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Post by Rocky on Feb 4, 2008 19:00:49 GMT -5
CJ, how could you ever compare the Zito deal to the Reds signing Cordero? I wrote a paragraph ripping his comment and then deleted it. Cordero's deal is for less money, less years, and a far more productive player, who fills a huge need for the Reds. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Feb 4, 2008 19:49:58 GMT -5
Zito signing was obviously horrible. i have a feeling that cordero contract is going to be worse for the reds if he works out the reds bullpen should actually be above average (or good if younger guys get better) if homer bailey lives up to the hype then the reds should be a contender for the central... who knows I am definitely ready for Jay Bruce though Votto played well last year as well... Reds have some solid young talent |
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Post by cjmjones008 on Feb 5, 2008 10:28:00 GMT -5
cordero last year had like a 2era at home and 8era on the road
The only reason the reds spent the money was because of Milton,s expiring contract. They needed a closer. His contract doesnt compare to Zitos's, but this is about as big of a FA splash the reds are going to make. The new owner has been saying hes going to increase the payroll for 3 years now and he does every year by about 5mil or less. I meant that Cordero's contract could kill the Reds like Zito's is likely going to kill the Giants. The only money the Reds are going to have is Dunn's expiring which is either going back to him or to pay for Votto, Bruce, Bailey, and Cueto for the next 3 or 4 years.
If Cordero works out the Reds will be fine, but it could set the franchise back like Milton did all over again.
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Post by Scott on Feb 5, 2008 12:25:54 GMT -5
Can't wait to see how the Reds look this season.
If Votto and Bailey can make some key contributions, they'll be looking for a much better year than last year considering we should be able to have a better bullpen with Cordero (hopefully). Like Jordan said earlier, I cannot wait for Jay Bruce to get his chance up in the majors.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 5, 2008 15:14:17 GMT -5
cordero last year had like a 2era at home and 8era on the road The only reason the reds spent the money was because of Milton,s expiring contract. They needed a closer. His contract doesnt compare to Zitos's, but this is about as big of a FA splash the reds are going to make. The new owner has been saying hes going to increase the payroll for 3 years now and he does every year by about 5mil or less. I meant that Cordero's contract could kill the Reds like Zito's is likely going to kill the Giants. The only money the Reds are going to have is Dunn's expiring which is either going back to him or to pay for Votto, Bruce, Bailey, and Cueto for the next 3 or 4 years. If Cordero works out the Reds will be fine, but it could set the franchise back like Milton did all over again. That Cordero stat is pretty dumb to reference. He had a 1.09 ERA in 41.1 innings at home, and a 6.55 ERA on the road in only 22 innings. Miller Park is actually a slight hitters park, so if anything, I'd be encouraged at his ridiculous great showing at home. His road number is in a tiny sample size, especially in comparison to the 40+ innings at home. In his career, he's fairly equal ERA-wise between his home and road parks, and in 2006 he was actually a better road pitcher (although he only pitched about 35% of the season with Milwaukee). Also, taking a look at his game logs, it wasn't as if he was consistently bombed on the road. Only twice he gave up a single run. But, when he got BOMBED, it was on the road (3 or 4 earned, etc). It really isn't a big deal, not when Miller Park favors hitter. The Reds aren't poor. They're not Tampa. His contract won't cripple Cinci, even if he is only average. As is, he's a really good pitcher. |
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Post by cjmjones008 on Feb 5, 2008 19:25:20 GMT -5
i had no idea on his actual stats on the era... i just knew what i read in an article earlier in offseason
i havent followed baseball much this offseason because of no time
Mark just made me like that signing a lot more though even though he does make a lot for a closer on cincys current budget in a couple of seasons
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 5, 2008 21:01:25 GMT -5
I for one am only slightly looking forward to baseball. Being a Giant fan there isnt much to be excited about, except maybe life after Bonds. Pretty excited that he is gone. The pitching should be decent. Cain, Lincecum, Lowry, Zito should be one of the better rotations. The bullpen will be mediocre again though. Offensively the Giants will struggle mightily unless a youngster can surprise or an older player can bounce back and have a great year. I say were lucky to get to 500. In arguably the toughest division in baseball, I think 500 is a far off dream if our best bat is Rowand. |
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Post by Rocky on Feb 5, 2008 21:06:08 GMT -5
.500 isn't likely, but it's a decent goal if the rotation plays to their (in some circumstances immense) potential. If Cain and Lincecum pitch likes aces, Zito like a 2, Lowry like a 2/3, they'll have enough to win a decent amount of games. Someone in the West (LA SD ARZ COL) will falter.
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 5, 2008 21:06:28 GMT -5
I for one am only slightly looking forward to baseball. Being a Giant fan there isnt much to be excited about, except maybe life after Bonds. Pretty excited that he is gone. The pitching should be decent. Cain, Lincecum, Lowry, Zito should be one of the better rotations. The bullpen will be mediocre again though. Offensively the Giants will struggle mightily unless a youngster can surprise or an older player can bounce back and have a great year. I say were lucky to get to 500. In arguably the toughest division in baseball, I think 500 is a far off dream if our best bat is Rowand. Mets, Braves and Phillies are in the NL East. I'd say only the Diamondbacks have a chance to be as good as any of those teams. |
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Post by Rocky on Feb 5, 2008 21:11:54 GMT -5
I'd rank the three best teams in the NL as 1) Mets 2) Phillies 3) Arizona. Atlanta can only play with them if Chipper plays 145 games and Hampton puts up a decent year. Colorado isn't going to be anything that great, the Dodgers are the Dodgers, and the Padres are the Padres. They'll be those mid-to-high 80 win teams, but aren't elite. Mets, Phillies, and Arizona are elite.
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