Best NBA Team

[DB]

cavs will not make the finals, Pistons will win it in the east this year. Lakers/Pistons finals

[Dave]

Its too early to tell the best NBA team especially with all the trades that went down. Lakers are pretty nasty but I don't know if they are the best.

[Spencer]

garf2000 said:

admin said:

Kobe would quit. Magic wouldnt.

Kobe, plays with a torn ligament in his pinky.
LeBron sits out with a sprained pinky.

Enough said.

Who was talking about LeBron?

[Spencer]

Warriors!

[Dave]

garf2000 said:

ajh said:

Yeah, found this pretty funny. The Cavs aren't returning to the finals this year.

I wouldn't put them as a top 10 team I dont think.

the more and more i think about i like the cavs trade...I was never a drew gooden fan but I've always liked Hughes but I'd west, wallace, wally over him.

[Spencer]

krupimpski424 said:

garf2000 said:

I wouldn't put them as a top 10 team I dont think.

the more and more i think about i like the cavs trade...I was never a drew gooden fan but I've always liked Hughes but I'd west, wallace, wally over him.

They really needed shooters. Hughes was a waste with LBJ.

[Spencer]

Also, I think the Mavs are worse now then they were before Kidd. I think Paul, Williams, Nash and Davis are all better then Kidd in the West and the Mavs are extremely thin upfront now.

[Dave]

admin said:

Also, I think the Mavs are worse now then they were before Kidd. I think Paul, Williams, Nash and Davis are all better then Kidd in the West and the Mavs are extremely thin upfront now.

I completely agree I wrote Cuban about 10 times while the trade was in limbo apparently my opinion on the matter didn't mean much

[Spencer]

krupimpski424 said:

admin said:

Also, I think the Mavs are worse now then they were before Kidd. I think Paul, Williams, Nash and Davis are all better then Kidd in the West and the Mavs are extremely thin upfront now.

I completely agree I wrote Cuban about 10 times while the trade was in limbo apparently my opinion on the matter didn't mean much

I think there window was small as is, and now its smaller.

The Warriors didnt make a move and I was quite upset about it, but I think theyre trying to put something together for the long haul. The team is pretty young, and is pretty good financially. Monta Ellis is a soon to be star. Andris Biedrins is one of the better young centers. Brandan Wright could be an up and coming power forward. And guys like Harrington and Jackson are solid, still relatively young supporting players. As long as Davis is healthy the Warriors should be a team that could near 50 wins.

[Ducky]

Pistons.

The most balanced team.

[Garf2000]

admin said:

garf2000 said:

Kobe, plays with a torn ligament in his pinky.
LeBron sits out with a sprained pinky.

Enough said.

Who was talking about LeBron?

a2j

[Dave]

admin said:

krupimpski424 said:

I completely agree I wrote Cuban about 10 times while the trade was in limbo apparently my opinion on the matter didn't mean much

I think there window was small as is, and now its smaller.

The Warriors didnt make a move and I was quite upset about it, but I think theyre trying to put something together for the long haul. The team is pretty young, and is pretty good financially. Monta Ellis is a soon to be star. Andris Biedrins is one of the better young centers. Brandan Wright could be an up and coming power forward. And guys like Harrington and Jackson are solid, still relatively young supporting players. As long as Davis is healthy the Warriors should be a team that could near 50 wins.

The worst part about the Kidd trade was Harris was the reason we let go of Nash and partly due to $$$. So now we're paying 8 mil more than for what we would have been paying Nash. Studpid!

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Bulls>>All

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I went with the Mavs.

[GMGreggor]

ajh said:

houstongmgregg said:

I'd take Lakers with Magic over the Bulls.

The NBA was stronger at the top then, Lakers,Celtics,Sixers and even the Pistons were all great teams that just took turns beating the hell out of each other.

Jordans Bulls never faced the caliber of competition to me any of those teams did.

There were teams center around Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley/Kidd, Malone/Stockton, Payton/Kemp, Ewing, Zo/Hardaway, Robinson, shit, for the early part, even IT, Magic, Bird...and none could touch Jordan's Bulls. You can't argue the NBA was stronger at the top then just because two teams were stacked.

The Lakers and Celts in particular were just much more balanced than anything the Bulls played in their run.

I mean the Lakers had Magic,Cooper,Worthy, to name a few and a still very good Kareem with the unstoppable skyhook.

Celts had Parrish,McHale who is the best PF I've ever seen but was overshadowed by Bird, as was Parrish who is a very underated C. Not to mention Dennis Johnson one of the best man defenders at G of all time and very underated offensive player. He scored when he had to but would make sure others got their shots first. You dont win a finals MVP if you cant score.

I just dont think the Bulls could've beaten their balance. To me the Bulls won basically because Jordan and Pippen were so disruptive defensively and such good scorers on the guards they matched up with they took over. They were'nt gonna dominate Magic or DJ and then you have the rest of the players on the teams to deal with. Who's gonna stop Kareem,Parrish,McHale etc.

It took Jordan 8 yrs to win his first title.
I dont think it's just coincidence that happened the same time the Celts,Lakers in particular got old.

[A2J]

I'm not going to get into little arguments about shit like this. I just love the makeup of this Cavs team now. They have an efficient PG in Boobie who is an excellent shooter and doesn't need the ball to be effective, one of the leagues best shooters percentage wise every year in Wally off of the bench, a strong defender and athletic playmaker in Delonte and two high energy, clean the glass and alter shots big guys in Varejao and Wallace.

If you asked me to put a team around a guy like LeBron, those are the exact type of roleplayers I'd want around him. I don't think there's enough players on the Lakers who are effective without the ball (Gasol certainly is, but Bynum/Odom aren't as much) to be on a team with a guy like Kobe. If you look at the Lakers dynasty teams, Shaq and Kobe were always surrounded with selfless shooters, guys who can move without the ball, stand around, and score quickly without needing to generate their own offense. Having too many guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective can be problematic.

The Cavs are constructed to win in the playoffs. I've got a lot of confidence in their ability to do so.

[Tigertecz]

The Spurs are the champs. You gotta win a Championship to be the best team. Until then, they're the best.

[Speed Racer]

I bumped Detroit in the lead.

[Vernon]

Raptors.

[Funky George!]

a2j said:

I'm not going to get into little arguments about shit like this. I just love the makeup of this Cavs team now. They have an efficient PG in Boobie who is an excellent shooter and doesn't need the ball to be effective, one of the leagues best shooters percentage wise every year in Wally off of the bench, a strong defender and athletic playmaker in Delonte and two high energy, clean the glass and alter shots big guys in Varejao and Wallace.

If you asked me to put a team around a guy like LeBron, those are the exact type of roleplayers I'd want around him. I don't think there's enough players on the Lakers who are effective without the ball (Gasol certainly is, but Bynum/Odom aren't as much) to be on a team with a guy like Kobe. If you look at the Lakers dynasty teams, Shaq and Kobe were always surrounded with selfless shooters, guys who can move without the ball, stand around, and score quickly without needing to generate their own offense. Having too many guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective can be problematic.

The Cavs are constructed to win in the playoffs. I've got a lot of confidence in their ability to do so.

Shooters...Radmanovic, Vujacic, Farmar, Walton, Fisher not working for you? The Lakers have an unbelievable cast of role players.

[Funky George!]

houstongmgregg said:

ajh said:

There were teams center around Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley/Kidd, Malone/Stockton, Payton/Kemp, Ewing, Zo/Hardaway, Robinson, shit, for the early part, even IT, Magic, Bird...and none could touch Jordan's Bulls. You can't argue the NBA was stronger at the top then just because two teams were stacked.

The Lakers and Celts in particular were just much more balanced than anything the Bulls played in their run.

I mean the Lakers had Magic,Cooper,Worthy, to name a few and a still very good Kareem with the unstoppable skyhook.

Celts had Parrish,McHale who is the best PF I've ever seen but was overshadowed by Bird, as was Parrish who is a very underated C. Not to mention Dennis Johnson one of the best man defenders at G of all time and very underated offensive player. He scored when he had to but would make sure others got their shots first. You dont win a finals MVP if you cant score.

I just dont think the Bulls could've beaten their balance. To me the Bulls won basically because Jordan and Pippen were so disruptive defensively and such good scorers on the guards they matched up with they took over. They were'nt gonna dominate Magic or DJ and then you have the rest of the players on the teams to deal with. Who's gonna stop Kareem,Parrish,McHale etc.

It took Jordan 8 yrs to win his first title.
I dont think it's just coincidence that happened the same time the Celts,Lakers in particular got old.

They're not one superteam, so you have to look at both teams separately. You could've asked who's going to stop Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Kemp, any great big man from the 90s. Consider that and there's your answer. Rodman was a ridiculously disruptive defender, and they played the best team defense of any team I've seen. It's not like they just had two good defenders (the two best ever?) on the perimeter and nothing else. Ron Harper was bigger than everyone he guarded and was really effective.

I don't know. I've seen a lot of all those teams. I like the Celts over the Lakers, but I think the Lakers match up better; they're much more athletic, better on the perimeter defensively (tough to say because of DJ, but I think the Lakers would match up better), and I think Rodman would have a much easier time with McHale than with Kareem, assuming he guarded both (don't wanna see Wennington or Purdue on Kareem). If the Bulls could've had Grant/Rodman, I'd take them 100%.

[Phoenix Phil]

The 90's were by no means an "easy" era to create a dynasty. It just happened that the Bulls had the perfect formula to success.

[GMGreggor]

ajh said:

houstongmgregg said:

The Lakers and Celts in particular were just much more balanced than anything the Bulls played in their run.

I mean the Lakers had Magic,Cooper,Worthy, to name a few and a still very good Kareem with the unstoppable skyhook.

Celts had Parrish,McHale who is the best PF I've ever seen but was overshadowed by Bird, as was Parrish who is a very underated C. Not to mention Dennis Johnson one of the best man defenders at G of all time and very underated offensive player. He scored when he had to but would make sure others got their shots first. You dont win a finals MVP if you cant score.

I just dont think the Bulls could've beaten their balance. To me the Bulls won basically because Jordan and Pippen were so disruptive defensively and such good scorers on the guards they matched up with they took over. They were'nt gonna dominate Magic or DJ and then you have the rest of the players on the teams to deal with. Who's gonna stop Kareem,Parrish,McHale etc.

It took Jordan 8 yrs to win his first title.
I dont think it's just coincidence that happened the same time the Celts,Lakers in particular got old.

They're not one superteam, so you have to look at both teams separately. You could've asked who's going to stop Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Kemp, any great big man from the 90s. Consider that and there's your answer. Rodman was a ridiculously disruptive defender, and they played the best team defense of any team I've seen. It's not like they just had two good defenders (the two best ever?) on the perimeter and nothing else. Ron Harper was bigger than everyone he guarded and was really effective.

I don't know. I've seen a lot of all those teams. I like the Celts over the Lakers, but I think the Lakers match up better; they're much more athletic, better on the perimeter defensively (tough to say because of DJ, but I think the Lakers would match up better), and I think Rodman would have a much easier time with McHale than with Kareem, assuming he guarded both (don't wanna see Wennington or Purdue on Kareem). If the Bulls could've had Grant/Rodman, I'd take them 100%.

I actually think the Bulls with either Grant or Rodman are similar,they're interchangeable to me. Grant was a better scorer but Rodman was a better def/reb. Six of one, half dozen the other you know.

But lets go with Rodman since those were probably better teams I think. If Rodman covers McHale then Longley or Purdue cover Parrish which is a mismatch. The chief was a very good C. Not quite on superstar level but a notch below.
I dont think the Bulls could match up with both the Celts bigs.
Rodman did'nt shut down McHale. By the time Detroit was beating the Celts in playoffs McHale's back was so bad he was a shell of his former self. As was Bird. McHale was very underated and had an inside and outside game. Plus he had arms of I think a 7'7 guy or something like that which on a 6'10 frame was hell for any other PF.

And Kareem was a great passing big man. I think if the Bulls went to double down on Kareem and he thorws it out to Byron Scott,Cooper,hell even Magic that makes for a short series with the Bulls. And then Worthy slashing to the basket. Those Lakers teams were the best I think I ever saw.

Kidd and Barkley didnt play together. KJ was the Suns PG then.
But none of those teams the Bulls beat were ever considered great. Even the Lakers in the Bulls first championship were without Worthy and Kareem. That was a testament to Magic's greatness in my view to get them there without them.
Magic was the best player I ever saw,including Jordan.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Aaron.

[Funky George!]

houstongmgregg said:

ajh said:

They're not one superteam, so you have to look at both teams separately. You could've asked who's going to stop Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Kemp, any great big man from the 90s. Consider that and there's your answer. Rodman was a ridiculously disruptive defender, and they played the best team defense of any team I've seen. It's not like they just had two good defenders (the two best ever?) on the perimeter and nothing else. Ron Harper was bigger than everyone he guarded and was really effective.

I don't know. I've seen a lot of all those teams. I like the Celts over the Lakers, but I think the Lakers match up better; they're much more athletic, better on the perimeter defensively (tough to say because of DJ, but I think the Lakers would match up better), and I think Rodman would have a much easier time with McHale than with Kareem, assuming he guarded both (don't wanna see Wennington or Purdue on Kareem). If the Bulls could've had Grant/Rodman, I'd take them 100%.

I actually think the Bulls with either Grant or Rodman are similar,they're interchangeable to me. Grant was a better scorer but Rodman was a better def/reb. Six of one, half dozen the other you know.

But lets go with Rodman since those were probably better teams I think. If Rodman covers McHale then Longley or Purdue cover Parrish which is a mismatch. The chief was a very good C. Not quite on superstar level but a notch below.
I dont think the Bulls could match up with both the Celts bigs.
Rodman did'nt shut down McHale. By the time Detroit was beating the Celts in playoffs McHale's back was so bad he was a shell of his former self. As was Bird. McHale was very underated and had an inside and outside game. Plus he had arms of I think a 7'7 guy or something like that which on a 6'10 frame was hell for any other PF.

And Kareem was a great passing big man. I think if the Bulls went to double down on Kareem and he thorws it out to Byron Scott,Cooper,hell even Magic that makes for a short series with the Bulls. And then Worthy slashing to the basket. Those Lakers teams were the best I think I ever saw.

Kidd and Barkley didnt play together. KJ was the Suns PG then.
But none of those teams the Bulls beat were ever considered great. Even the Lakers in the Bulls first championship were without Worthy and Kareem. That was a testament to Magic's greatness in my view to get them there without them.
Magic was the best player I ever saw,including Jordan.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Aaron.

Just saw that, I know KJ was Barkley's PG, didn't realize I wrote Kidd.

I just don't think it's fair to reduce those Bulls teams to Jordan/Pipped. Rodman's a top five all-time power forward if you ask me. It would be like mentioning the 03-04 Pistons without mentioning Ben Wallace, except a way better edition.

[DB]

The lakers are one of the deepest teams in the league, if not the deepest.