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Post by Rocky on Mar 6, 2008 23:52:55 GMT -5
This is ALL-TIME, not currently. When Kidd's career ends, where will you put him on the all-time PG list? My brother and I were arguing this, but both of us aren't exactly NBA historians, so I want your input.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 6, 2008 23:55:47 GMT -5
Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, John Stockton, and Isiah Thomas should all be ahead. Cousy maybe as well? Not sure about him.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:03:51 GMT -5
1. Robertson, 2. Magic, 3. Kidd, 4. Stockton, 5. Nash(has potential to move up past Kidd)
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 7, 2008 0:05:31 GMT -5
Nash doesn't play defense, I can't put someone missing half their game in the top set of point guards.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 7, 2008 0:06:20 GMT -5
Reilly, where do you put him?
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 7, 2008 0:07:29 GMT -5
I'd need a big list in front of me, but definitely top 10. If Kidd was able to shoot, he'd really make a run at the top spot.
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 7, 2008 0:08:08 GMT -5
I think he's bottom half top 10 yea for what it's worth..
Magic has to be 1 to me,the big O was great,Isaiah's in there,Stockton,I might place DJ over Kidd,there's probably more. Those are just off the top of my head from the past without spending a lot of time thinking about it. Hell Joe Dumars may be ahead of Kidd. Isaiah and Dumars on the Pistons were really co PG's. In his prime Dumars was hell. Dont underestimate the role he played on those Piston teams.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 7, 2008 0:08:53 GMT -5
1. Robertson, 2. Magic, 3. Kidd, 4. Stockton, 5. Nash(has potential to move up past Kidd) The only thing Nash has on Kidd is an mid-range and 3-point shot. It counts for something but Kidd's defense and rebounding abilities more than make up for that |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 7, 2008 0:09:33 GMT -5
I think he's bottom half top 10 yea for what it's worth.. Magic has to be 1 to me,the big O was great,Isaiah's in there,Stockton,I might place DJ over Kidd,there's probably more. Those are just off the top of my head from the past without spending a lot of time thinking about it. Hell Joe Dumars may be ahead of Kidd. Isaiah and Dumars on the Pistons were really co PG's. In his prime Dumars was hell. Dont underestimate the role he played on those Piston teams. DJ over Kidd? Explain that one |
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:10:23 GMT -5
Its hard to judge from different eras. This is an article from ESPN awhile back... sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-GreatestPointGuardsThe first name that jumps to mind not being mentioned thus far is GP. He was sick in his prime. Id say he was better then Nash in his prime. Ive also never seen Robertson, Frazier, Cousy, Archibald those guys. Robertson had some amazing numbers. He has to be 1 or 2. 3 I guess would be Isiah, Kidd or GP IMO. |
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:11:32 GMT -5
I think he's bottom half top 10 yea for what it's worth.. Magic has to be 1 to me,the big O was great,Isaiah's in there,Stockton,I might place DJ over Kidd,there's probably more. Those are just off the top of my head from the past without spending a lot of time thinking about it. Hell Joe Dumars may be ahead of Kidd. Isaiah and Dumars on the Pistons were really co PG's. In his prime Dumars was hell. Dont underestimate the role he played on those Piston teams. DJ over Kidd? Explain that one Dumars was a great guard, but he wasnt a top 10 point guard. Dennis Johnson was a very good role player on great teams. But he isnt a top 15 point guard. |
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 7, 2008 0:12:26 GMT -5
DJ controlled a game. He had an uncanny sense of when to score,when to pass etc. What he did on the court cant be measured in just stats to me. He was a great defender,better than Kidd. Could score when he had to, maybe not quite as good a certainly not as flashy a passer but he was very effiecient.
He'd rebound as well.
DJ is a very underated PG to me.
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 7, 2008 0:14:53 GMT -5
DJ over Kidd? Explain that one Dumars was a great guard, but he wasnt a top 10 point guard. Dennis Johnson was a very good role player on great teams. But he isnt a top 15 point guard. You're wrong Dave, DJ damn near won that title with the Sonics thru his own will. He was the MVP of I think the 79 finals. People remember him from the Celtic teams but he was good long before that. |
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Post by Rocky on Mar 7, 2008 0:15:04 GMT -5
Rebound as well as Kidd? I wasn't alive when he played, but taking a quick look at his stats, I don't see how that statement makes any sense, unless he had some uncanny ability to box out or something which doesn't show up in the box score.
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 7, 2008 0:16:02 GMT -5
I forgot Payton, in his prime I'd place him over Kidd too.
Kidd's lack of offense hurts him among all timers in my view.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:16:18 GMT -5
MRR without the Coke
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 7, 2008 0:17:30 GMT -5
Fat Lever
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Post by GMGreggor on Mar 7, 2008 0:18:26 GMT -5
Rebound as well as Kidd? I wasn't alive when he played, but taking a quick look at his stats, I don't see how that statement makes any sense, unless he had some uncanny ability to box out or something which doesn't show up in the box score. I'll put it this way, he may not have the stats of Kidd but in a playoff game if DJ's team needed to get a rebound he seemed to get them when the big guys did'nt. He'd rebound among the big guys in there when needed yes, it's just one of those things where you had to see him play,not just look at stats. |
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:20:14 GMT -5
Fat Lever was the best player in the history of BBS. All based on his per 48 numbers.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:20:18 GMT -5
Tyronn Lue before the Coke
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:21:25 GMT -5
Khalid El-Amin before Skoal
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:21:28 GMT -5
Tyronn Lue before the WNBA hair cut.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:21:47 GMT -5
Omar Cook before the NBA.
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:22:11 GMT -5
Ricky Rubio before 18.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:22:54 GMT -5
Aaron Haberman before Puberty.
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