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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:24:01 GMT -5
Spencer Martin before BBS
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:24:24 GMT -5
Dave Krupinski before Johnny Jungle
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:25:17 GMT -5
Charles Cornwallis before Yorktown
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:25:34 GMT -5
Nash doesn't play defense, I can't put someone missing half their game in the top set of point guards. Just because he hasn't been on defensive teams doesn't mean he doesn't play defense. Nash is a pesky defender
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:28:38 GMT -5
Nova before Skillz
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 7, 2008 0:32:09 GMT -5
Nash doesn't play defense, I can't put someone missing half their game in the top set of point guards. Just because he hasn't been on defensive teams doesn't mean he doesn't play defense. Nash is a pesky defender Dallas let go of Nash large in part because they wanted to become a better defensive team. It's widely known that he's poor defender.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:32:50 GMT -5
Well Kidd has more assists already than Payton but Payton was damn good he would be #7 on my list. Also Nash has how many MVP's how many does everyone else have on the list?
Isiah would be my #6 he was filthy in his prime too but he turned the ball over a ton and he was a poor 3pt shooter but you have to give him the edge over Payton as Isiah just had a better prime of his career not too mention better overall numbers and totals.
Tim Hardaway is my #8 Kevin Johnson #9 Cousy #10
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:32:52 GMT -5
He can get steals, but he isnt a good defender.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:34:05 GMT -5
Just because he hasn't been on defensive teams doesn't mean he doesn't play defense. Nash is a pesky defender Dallas let go of Nash large in part because they wanted to become a better defensive team. It's widely known that he's poor defender. They didn't want to ante up for him $$$$. Ironically they trade Harris a better defender for Kidd who is not as good as Nash right now.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:34:49 GMT -5
He can get steals, but he isnt a good defender. He isn't a good defender but Reilly said he plays no defense and that just isn't true.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 7, 2008 0:36:27 GMT -5
Nash doesn't play defense, I can't put someone missing half their game in the top set of point guards. Just because he hasn't been on defensive teams doesn't mean he doesn't play defense. Nash is a pesky defender He's terrible. He cannot guard bigger guards, and isn't quick enough to stay with the speedy ones. Phoenix plays in the West, so I have the chance to watch a lot of their games late night, and I always see Nash get torched on the defensive end when a point guard with any offensive ability pairs up with Nash. And since we're talking about top 10 point guards ever, I'd say the lack of defensive ability or even lack of all defensive teams is a very important factor in deciding if Nash is a top 10 player. And if this was based only on the offensive end, Nash is a top 3 guard, possible number one. He's wonderful with the ball.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:38:02 GMT -5
Nash not quick? Come on
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:39:54 GMT -5
Quick to create shots and quick to defend are different. Id say more players are quick offensively then they are defensively.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Mar 7, 2008 0:40:29 GMT -5
i don't see him being in the same class as a parker/paul in terms of quickness. he's more crafty to me.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:40:44 GMT -5
Its really hard to rank Nash though because most of these guys were fading when he is just now peaking at 32. Its definitely a great debate because you can make a great case for any of these guys to be 1-10
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Post by Spencer on Mar 7, 2008 0:41:18 GMT -5
i don't see him being in the same class as a parker/paul in terms of quickness. he's more crafty to me. Parker is a pretty poor defender also.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:41:44 GMT -5
Quick to create shots and quick to defend are different. Id say more players are quick offensively then they are defensively. very fair and valid point
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Post by Rocky on Mar 7, 2008 0:43:11 GMT -5
You know who can defend? My boy Devin Harris.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:43:50 GMT -5
i don't see him being in the same class as a parker/paul in terms of quickness. he's more crafty to me. Parker is a pretty poor defender also. Parker is over rated.... I don't like to take away from players because they are in a system that fits them but he is a system player. He lacks a lot things in his game but he has mastered what he has to do in SA.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 7, 2008 0:44:20 GMT -5
MRR was one of the best defensive PG's in the game........before coke
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:44:22 GMT -5
Fun Fact...... Did you know Karl Malone has more assists than Allen Iverson...
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:45:29 GMT -5
more than Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, Fat Lever, and Joe Dumars too
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 7, 2008 0:47:33 GMT -5
Well Kidd has more assists already than Payton but Payton was damn good he would be #7 on my list. Also Nash has how many MVP's how many does everyone else have on the list? Isiah would be my #6 he was filthy in his prime too but he turned the ball over a ton and he was a poor 3pt shooter but you have to give him the edge over Payton as Isiah just had a better prime of his career not too mention better overall numbers and totals. Tim Hardaway is my #8 Kevin Johnson #9 Cousy #10 Still, Nash over Isiah? Thomas was the floor general of two championship teams that had to get past an incredibly tough Celtic team. Say what you want but Phoenix has not lived up to the regular season hype in the postseason. And if you want to hold it against Isiah for being a TO whore, Nash's numbers of the past few years haven't been too pretty either
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2008 0:48:56 GMT -5
you are right blue devil I might have been a bit premature to put Nash that high and over Isiah.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Mar 7, 2008 0:51:45 GMT -5
Just because he hasn't been on defensive teams doesn't mean he doesn't play defense. Nash is a pesky defender He's terrible. He cannot guard bigger guards, and isn't quick enough to stay with the speedy ones. Phoenix plays in the West, so I have the chance to watch a lot of their games late night, and I always see Nash get torched on the defensive end when a point guard with any offensive ability pairs up with Nash. And since we're talking about top 10 point guards ever, I'd say the lack of defensive ability or even lack of all defensive teams is a very important factor in deciding if Nash is a top 10 player. And if this was based only on the offensive end, Nash is a top 3 guard, possible number one. He's wonderful with the ball. Agreed. Nash's measurables (6-3, 195) aren't too bad for a PG yet he doesn't play up to his size... like you said he gets bullied by most PG's of equal or greater size and he doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of most PG's, period.
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