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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 17, 2008 8:14:42 GMT -5
Zito looks like shit
Cain looks like shit
Sanchez looks like real big pile of shit
Lincecum looks like shit
At least our bullpen is looking ok
Taschner looks solid, Todd Walker is playing some good ball, Japanese Yabu dosen't look half bad. Its gonna be long season though
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 17, 2008 8:20:31 GMT -5
i think baseball is boring, except for fantasy leagues.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 17, 2008 8:28:47 GMT -5
They're a 60, maybe 65 win team. Awful.
Yanks are doing everything in their power to make this season unexciting, and especially with this Leyritz stuff, Girardi is certainly doing a good job of attracting completely negative attention. Hughes is going to have a really good season, but the Yanks' staff is horrendous, and their only chance at putting together a playoff team is if Joba throws a lot of innings and starts really early. I'd put them at 86 wins right now, just not an elite team at all.
My playoff teams: Red Sox-Tigers-Indians-Mariners
I've never liked the Mariners, not a fan of their offense, but their rotation projects to be pretty awesome, and they have an awesome pen despite the loss of Sherrill.
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Mets-Phils-Cubs-Rockies
The NL is brutal.
Red Sox repeat. Amazing team, and if Beckett's back is alright, I don't see how any team even kind of touches them. I like the Tigers a lot, and they'll win a lot of reg ssn games, but no way they're as good as Boston. Dontrelle blows, Bonderman never holds up, Rogers is a complete wild card and won't do what he did two seasons back, not that I even remember if re-signed, though I'm positive he did.
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Post by DB on Mar 17, 2008 10:28:42 GMT -5
No way mariners get wild card IMO, yankees have a much better team than them. Their offense is nothing and the pitching is solid up to the first two guys, then its who knows from the rest.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 17, 2008 10:37:49 GMT -5
Im totally pumped to have our star middle reliever to be a 39 year old Japanese Journey Man.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 17, 2008 10:44:53 GMT -5
And I am gonna be extremley pissed if Bruce goes with Bocock over Burriss at SS to start of the season, which is looking that way.
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Post by Vernon on Mar 17, 2008 10:51:20 GMT -5
I don't know why the Giants didn't do Alex Rios for Lincecum because they would have had a guaranteed All-Star for a pitcher that looks like he will blow his arm at any time.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 17, 2008 10:52:10 GMT -5
I don't know why the Giants didn't do Alex Rios for Lincecum because they would have had a guaranteed All-Star for a pitcher that looks like he will blow his arm at any time. What good is Rios to them?
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Post by Vernon on Mar 17, 2008 10:57:08 GMT -5
I don't know why the Giants didn't do Alex Rios for Lincecum because they would have had a guaranteed All-Star for a pitcher that looks like he will blow his arm at any time. What good is Rios to them? Rios is a five tool player that can play any position in the outfield. I think the Giants need hitting desperately after losing Bonds and Rowand isn't good enough. Just my opinion though.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 17, 2008 11:07:38 GMT -5
What good is Rios to them? Rios is a five tool player that can play any position in the outfield. I think the Giants need hitting desperately after losing Bonds and Rowand isn't good enough. Just my opinion though. Alex Rios is not going to make us a winner. Our outfield is jampacked too. Wouldn't make any sense to deal our best pitching prospect for him. When we are in no position to compete
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Mar 17, 2008 11:24:15 GMT -5
mariners are winning the world series this year
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 17, 2008 13:04:49 GMT -5
Rios is an awesome hitter. He isn't worth Lincecum, especially when the Giants only hope at competing is by having a formidable staff. Rios, as much as I like him, would mean very little to the Giants right now or in the foreseeable future, because they just would have a bunch of old hitters, one elite hitter, and an average staff.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 17, 2008 13:16:46 GMT -5
No way mariners get wild card IMO, yankees have a much better team than them. Their offense is nothing and the pitching is solid up to the first two guys, then its who knows from the rest. You don't know much, eh? Nothing really ever changes! Their offense is nothing? Last I checked, they have a damn good offense, and they played us really well last year. I think they had the most guys over .285 and at one point had like six guys around .300. They're not an amazing run-producing team because they have a few too many low OPS guys and Beltre/Sexson make too many outs, but they definitely have a good offense. Now they've added Bedard, who dominates the Yankees, so say they take 6 or 7 of 9 from us this year. Then you have 19 games against Texas, 19 games against Oakland. Give me a break, they have a lighter schedule, a much better pitching staff (it extends well past their top two starters), and Ichrio/Vidro/Beltre/Sexson/Ibanez/Johjima/Lopez produced pretty well last year, and they have Wilkerson, and a much better staff than ours from front to end. Plus, they're not my wild card choice. The Tigers and Indians are both winning 90+ because they face three nothing teams in their division and have ridiculously loaded teams. The Yanks will probably need 95 to be within reach for the WC or division, and I'd bet they have no chance at that unless Hughes/Kennedy and eventually Joba all have ridiculous seasons.
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Post by Play on Mar 17, 2008 13:42:23 GMT -5
Cubs>>>All
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Post by Ducky on Mar 17, 2008 14:11:20 GMT -5
They're a 60, maybe 65 win team. Awful. Yanks are doing everything in their power to make this season unexciting, and especially with this Leyritz stuff, Girardi is certainly doing a good job of attracting completely negative attention. Hughes is going to have a really good season, but the Yanks' staff is horrendous, and their only chance at putting together a playoff team is if Joba throws a lot of innings and starts really early. I'd put them at 86 wins right now, just not an elite team at all. My playoff teams: Red Sox-Tigers-Indians-Mariners I've never liked the Mariners, not a fan of their offense, but their rotation projects to be pretty awesome, and they have an awesome pen despite the loss of Sherrill. and Mets-Phils-Cubs-Rockies The NL is brutal. Red Sox repeat. Amazing team, and if Beckett's back is alright, I don't see how any team even kind of touches them. I like the Tigers a lot, and they'll win a lot of reg ssn games, but no way they're as good as Boston. Dontrelle blows, Bonderman never holds up, Rogers is a complete wild card and won't do what he did two seasons back, not that I even remember if re-signed, though I'm positive he did. If King Felix is healthy and Erik Bedard is the real deal, then I think we have a shot at the playoffs. But meh, I still don't feel we'll make it. We need more offense. Our defense and pitching is good. Putz is an amazing closer, and our starting 5 look solid. But hitting and scoring will be a bitch, as it has the last 3-4 years.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Mar 17, 2008 14:31:22 GMT -5
Rios is an awesome hitter. He isn't worth Lincecum, especially when the Giants only hope at competing is by having a formidable staff. Rios, as much as I like him, would mean very little to the Giants right now or in the foreseeable future, because they just would have a bunch of old hitters, one elite hitter, and an average staff. I kinda just said that.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 17, 2008 14:35:25 GMT -5
They're a 60, maybe 65 win team. Awful. Yanks are doing everything in their power to make this season unexciting, and especially with this Leyritz stuff, Girardi is certainly doing a good job of attracting completely negative attention. Hughes is going to have a really good season, but the Yanks' staff is horrendous, and their only chance at putting together a playoff team is if Joba throws a lot of innings and starts really early. I'd put them at 86 wins right now, just not an elite team at all. My playoff teams: Red Sox-Tigers-Indians-Mariners I've never liked the Mariners, not a fan of their offense, but their rotation projects to be pretty awesome, and they have an awesome pen despite the loss of Sherrill. and Mets-Phils-Cubs-Rockies The NL is brutal. Red Sox repeat. Amazing team, and if Beckett's back is alright, I don't see how any team even kind of touches them. I like the Tigers a lot, and they'll win a lot of reg ssn games, but no way they're as good as Boston. Dontrelle blows, Bonderman never holds up, Rogers is a complete wild card and won't do what he did two seasons back, not that I even remember if re-signed, though I'm positive he did. If King Felix is healthy and Erik Bedard is the real deal, then I think we have a shot at the playoffs. But meh, I still don't feel we'll make it. We need more offense. Our defense and pitching is good. Putz is an amazing closer, and our starting 5 look solid. But hitting and scoring will be a bitch, as it has the last 3-4 years. Yeah, no doubt, the offense doesn't match Anaheim's in run production and can't. But I have always been big on Wilkerson and think if he gets his 20/20 and a good amount of walks, it will be huge for the lineup. Ichiro and VIdro are real nice 1/2, and Ibanez knocks in runs. I think Beltre's going to have a pretty big year. If he can do 32+ homers, it will means 10+ more runs, and I really think he has that potential. Last year was a good year for him, but I think it's only an indication that his 04 wasn't a fluke. I mean, if he puts up a 900+ OPS, they're the best team in the AL. But if he's gonna remain a 260-280 hitters with mid-20s homers, their offense is average. They need some punch and I think he can provide it. Sexson's awful and I don't imagine they'll let him clog the lineup again. They're just very solid 1-9, and I know they're unspectacular offensively, but I think they have enough to build on last season. Putz is dominant in the pen, Silva and Bedard are big additions, and a healthy Felix could be as big of an addition as Bedard. The Lackey thing has to help a lot, too.
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Post by Ducky on Mar 17, 2008 14:39:32 GMT -5
If King Felix is healthy and Erik Bedard is the real deal, then I think we have a shot at the playoffs. But meh, I still don't feel we'll make it. We need more offense. Our defense and pitching is good. Putz is an amazing closer, and our starting 5 look solid. But hitting and scoring will be a bitch, as it has the last 3-4 years. Yeah, no doubt, the offense doesn't match Anaheim's in run production and can't. But I have always been big on Wilkerson and think if he gets his 20/20 and a good amount of walks, it will be huge for the lineup. Ichiro and VIdro are real nice 1/2, and Ibanez knocks in runs. I think Beltre's going to have a pretty big year. If he can do 32+ homers, it will means 10+ more runs, and I really think he has that potential. Last year was a good year for him, but I think it's only an indication that his 04 wasn't a fluke. I mean, if he puts up a 900+ OPS, they're the best team in the AL. But if he's gonna remain a 260-280 hitters with mid-20s homers, their offense is average. They need some punch and I think he can provide it. Sexson's awful and I don't imagine they'll let him clog the lineup again. They're just very solid 1-9, and I know they're unspectacular offensively, but I think they have enough to build on last season. Putz is dominant in the pen, Silva and Bedard are big additions, and a healthy Felix could be as big of an addition as Bedard. The Lackey thing has to help a lot, too. ahh, good point. I almost forgot about Beltre. He still hasn't had a breakout season. I think he could be a key to our success. Like you said, Ibanez, Vidro, Ichiro, and those guys will get the job done. They are consistent and play well. But guys like Beltre, Lopez, and Sexon are awful. Way too inconsistent. One season, Lopez was an all-star, the next he was moved to bench. And like you mentioned, hopefully Wilkerson fills the role that the Ms have been trying to fill the last few years. A big time hitter. Neither Sexson, nor Broussard could fill that roll. I remember Wilkerson killed us a few times we played him. Hopefully he can do his thing with us.
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Post by GP on Mar 17, 2008 14:53:11 GMT -5
Im really excited for the dodgers rotation this year with Kuroda, Penny, Billingsley, Lowe and Schmidt.
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Post by DB on Mar 17, 2008 16:09:29 GMT -5
No way mariners get wild card IMO, yankees have a much better team than them. Their offense is nothing and the pitching is solid up to the first two guys, then its who knows from the rest. You don't know much, eh? Nothing really ever changes! Their offense is nothing? Last I checked, they have a damn good offense, and they played us really well last year. I think they had the most guys over .285 and at one point had like six guys around .300. They're not an amazing run-producing team because they have a few too many low OPS guys and Beltre/Sexson make too many outs, but they definitely have a good offense. Now they've added Bedard, who dominates the Yankees, so say they take 6 or 7 of 9 from us this year. Then you have 19 games against Texas, 19 games against Oakland. Give me a break, they have a lighter schedule, a much better pitching staff (it extends well past their top two starters), and Ichrio/Vidro/Beltre/Sexson/Ibanez/Johjima/Lopez produced pretty well last year, and they have Wilkerson, and a much better staff than ours from front to end. Plus, they're not my wild card choice. The Tigers and Indians are both winning 90+ because they face three nothing teams in their division and have ridiculously loaded teams. The Yanks will probably need 95 to be within reach for the WC or division, and I'd bet they have no chance at that unless Hughes/Kennedy and eventually Joba all have ridiculous seasons. I seriously hate this lineup, beltre goes on and off, guy is nothing really. Sexson had a shit year last and is one year older, i dont expect much from him. Wilkerson is nothing, come on that guy is not good at all. I do like Ichrio, Vidro and Ibanez, but really they are not great offensively, I do not see how they could win 90-95 games. Last year is last year, new rotation, some new faces, i expect yanks to make the WC.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 17, 2008 16:21:11 GMT -5
You don't know much, eh? Nothing really ever changes! Their offense is nothing? Last I checked, they have a damn good offense, and they played us really well last year. I think they had the most guys over .285 and at one point had like six guys around .300. They're not an amazing run-producing team because they have a few too many low OPS guys and Beltre/Sexson make too many outs, but they definitely have a good offense. Now they've added Bedard, who dominates the Yankees, so say they take 6 or 7 of 9 from us this year. Then you have 19 games against Texas, 19 games against Oakland. Give me a break, they have a lighter schedule, a much better pitching staff (it extends well past their top two starters), and Ichrio/Vidro/Beltre/Sexson/Ibanez/Johjima/Lopez produced pretty well last year, and they have Wilkerson, and a much better staff than ours from front to end. Plus, they're not my wild card choice. The Tigers and Indians are both winning 90+ because they face three nothing teams in their division and have ridiculously loaded teams. The Yanks will probably need 95 to be within reach for the WC or division, and I'd bet they have no chance at that unless Hughes/Kennedy and eventually Joba all have ridiculous seasons. I seriously hate this lineup, beltre goes on and off, guy is nothing really. Sexson had a shit year last and is one year older, i dont expect much from him. Wilkerson is nothing, come on that guy is not good at all. I do like Ichrio, Vidro and Ibanez, but really they are not great offensively, I do not see how they could win 90-95 games. Last year is last year, new rotation, some new faces, i expect yanks to make the WC. Wilkerson did fall off severely for two seasons, and he's not a good contact hitter, but he walks, steals bases and hits home runs...in their lineup, it's the ideal trade-off. He's really productive. Dan, Beltre had 65 XBH last season. He hit over .300 in three of his four full months. Last year was a huge improvement until his September, and even with his Sept., all his numbers basically improved. He's gotten better all three years in Seattle, and seeing as he's actually put up his 04 before, I wouldn't rule out .280/30+/110, and I think that's all they need to win the division--a legit threat behind that top two. I don't know what your point is about last year is last year. The Mariners got better, the Yankees got...Morgan Ensberg. Seriously, it was a pathetic offseason, it's a guarantee we can't stay healthy, Moose is a mess, Wang is going to really struggle to get have a good year if he can't throw his change up or slider (both are sucking), and there's no sure thing on the staff. Nobody said that Mariners need 95, Dan. I said they'll win their division. Bedard is a HUGE addition, and I think they're as good as the Angels since Lackey will probably miss 8+ starts this year.
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Post by DB on Mar 17, 2008 16:37:58 GMT -5
I seriously hate this lineup, beltre goes on and off, guy is nothing really. Sexson had a shit year last and is one year older, i dont expect much from him. Wilkerson is nothing, come on that guy is not good at all. I do like Ichrio, Vidro and Ibanez, but really they are not great offensively, I do not see how they could win 90-95 games. Last year is last year, new rotation, some new faces, i expect yanks to make the WC. Wilkerson did fall off severely for two seasons, and he's not a good contact hitter, but he walks, steals bases and hits home runs...in their lineup, it's the ideal trade-off. He's really productive. Dan, Beltre had 65 XBH last season. He hit over .300 in three of his four full months. Last year was a huge improvement until his September, and even with his Sept., all his numbers basically improved. He's gotten better all three years in Seattle, and seeing as he's actually put up his 04 before, I wouldn't rule out .280/30+/110, and I think that's all they need to win the division--a legit threat behind that top two. I don't know what your point is about last year is last year. The Mariners got better, the Yankees got...Morgan Ensberg. Seriously, it was a pathetic offseason, it's a guarantee we can't stay healthy, Moose is a mess, Wang is going to really struggle to get have a good year if he can't throw his change up or slider (both are sucking), and there's no sure thing on the staff. Nobody said that Mariners need 95, Dan. I said they'll win their division. Bedard is a HUGE addition, and I think they're as good as the Angels since Lackey will probably miss 8+ starts this year. I seriously would not expect wilkerson to hit more than 25 hrs. He does not steal bases hes slow as shit, he barely gets 5 a season. Strikes out 100 + a year. Still I would not want to put all my offense in the hands of Beltre, he is not bad but he has only had one great year in his contract season. Same line up had 88 wins last year, should be a little more. Yankees got three young arms to their staff/pen, that what I meant. They did not really add anything but the pitchers are a year older. offense is still deadly.
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Post by Funky George! on Mar 17, 2008 16:49:27 GMT -5
Wilkerson did fall off severely for two seasons, and he's not a good contact hitter, but he walks, steals bases and hits home runs...in their lineup, it's the ideal trade-off. He's really productive. Dan, Beltre had 65 XBH last season. He hit over .300 in three of his four full months. Last year was a huge improvement until his September, and even with his Sept., all his numbers basically improved. He's gotten better all three years in Seattle, and seeing as he's actually put up his 04 before, I wouldn't rule out .280/30+/110, and I think that's all they need to win the division--a legit threat behind that top two. I don't know what your point is about last year is last year. The Mariners got better, the Yankees got...Morgan Ensberg. Seriously, it was a pathetic offseason, it's a guarantee we can't stay healthy, Moose is a mess, Wang is going to really struggle to get have a good year if he can't throw his change up or slider (both are sucking), and there's no sure thing on the staff. Nobody said that Mariners need 95, Dan. I said they'll win their division. Bedard is a HUGE addition, and I think they're as good as the Angels since Lackey will probably miss 8+ starts this year. I seriously would not expect wilkerson to hit more than 25 hrs. He does not steal bases hes slow as shit, he barely gets 5 a season. Strikes out 100 + a year. Still I would not want to put all my offense in the hands of Beltre, he is not bad but he has only had one great year in his contract season. Same line up had 88 wins last year, should be a little more. Yankees got three young arms to their staff/pen, that what I meant. They did not really add anything but the pitchers are a year older. offense is still deadly. Wilkerson's done thirteen twice, stole four last year when he wasn't playing full time, and a bunch of ABs were pinch hits. He'll steal if he plays consistently, he isn't slow at all. He has good speed, actually. 25 homers would be a big help, I don't see him hitting at the top of the lineup, but adding that kind of pop defiitely matters. The Mariners just have good hitters everywhere, and I think their offense has potential. Lopez is a good player, a gross as last year was. Ichiro/Vidro is great. Beltre I think will have a good year. Johjima will go 280+, which isn't exactly the most common thing at catcher. They play good defense, have good pitching. I like them to win 90+ in that division. Can't undervalue a great bullpen, really consistent, potentially great SP and a good offense in a weak division. The Yankees are a good team, sure. Can Damon produce like the postseason? Can Giambi? (No, and he's awful and I can't wait for him to be gone). Can Matsui stay healthy? How's his wrist? Ankle? Will A-Rod do last year? Will Posada finally show his age? Look, I love our lineup, but there questions. I do feel it's the best in the AL, but I worry about injuries and less production in general than last year. And the pitching is a mess, but I guess you disagree with that. Pettitte's broken down and unhealthy, Wang can't get by on two pitches and is struggling with his other pitches, Mussina starts are a lock to wear down the bullpen even if he gives you five decent innings, Joba is going to be severely monitored apparently. Then there's Kennedy, who yeah, is a really solid pitcher with great offspeed stuff...but seriously, it's going to be his first legit MLB season, and you think he won't get hit? What guys, even top level prospects, don't get hit in their first full season starting? I love Hughes so I won't say I'm skeptical about what he'll do, but Kennedy isn't going to be a stud this year. That's a homer expectation.
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