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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 25, 2009 13:06:51 GMT -5
they released matt jones though he's also suspended from the NFL.. hence why I was being sarcastic. No he is not. Haha, good job again Marty. You are on fire
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 25, 2009 13:13:57 GMT -5
Since when does being an assistant making you have an eye for talent? He is a great recruiter no doubt but he couldn't draft worth a damn or don't you remember where he took two now "franchise" players with the Vikings first two draft picks in Williams and Erasmus James get real.
Yes, I know thanks for reiterating my point. If you still do not understand what I mean is that James Harrison, like many LBs that have been in both a New England and Pittsburgh uniform were "nobodies" before they arrived to their respective teams. Also, LB isn't as skilled a position as WR so I do not why you are even comparing the two.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 25, 2009 13:16:26 GMT -5
Thanks for not even understanding my point. MY POINT, is that you can resurrect your career in the NFL. Just because you have a bad experience with a team doesn't mean shit. That is why I am comparing the two. There are tons of more examples.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 25, 2009 13:17:59 GMT -5
Thanks for not even understanding my point. MY POINT, is that you can resurrect your career in the NFL. Just because you have a bad experience with a team doesn't mean shit. That is why I am comparing the two. There are tons of more examples. Thanks for totally ignoring all the other points where I have proven you wrong. I will wait for everyone who knows anything about football to agree. WR and LB are two totally different positions and have nothing to do with each other. Name one WR who's had 3-5 straight bad seasons and "resurrected" their career.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 25, 2009 13:18:02 GMT -5
Marty, go fuck yourself. You are never right about anything we ever discuss, so STFU. There is only a handful of people here who know as much as I do about football. If there is one thing I'm confident in discussing it's football and there hasn't been one time where you've "proven me wrong."
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 25, 2009 13:18:29 GMT -5
Thanks for not even understanding my point. MY POINT, is that you can resurrect your career in the NFL. Just because you have a bad experience with a team doesn't mean shit. That is why I am comparing the two. There are tons of more examples. Thanks for totally ignoring all the other points where I have proven you wrong. I will wait for everyone who knows anything about football to agree. WR and LB are two totally different positions and have nothing to do with each other. Name one WR who's had 3-5 straight bad seasons and "resurrected" their career. Jimmy Smith. Wow that took 2 seconds
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 25, 2009 13:20:34 GMT -5
what?? LOL Jimmy Smith was 1,000 yard reciever by his 3rd season in the NFL
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 25, 2009 13:21:06 GMT -5
you are retarded I'm done with you don't even know your own fucking players...
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 25, 2009 13:22:02 GMT -5
He was cut before he was on the Jags, idiot. WTF is the difference if it's 2 or 3 years? I just gave you a quick example I'm not going to fucking research something
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 25, 2009 13:23:20 GMT -5
He was cut before he was on the Jags, idiot. WTF is the difference if it's 2 or 3 years? I just gave you a quick example I'm not going to fucking research something I said 3 straight bad seasons... and how can you compare Troy Williamson who never really had an injury laden season to Jimmy Smith who had a season ending injury and almost a career ending one when he almost died due to infection. Agian, you have failed at naming a single WR who met my criteria of have 3-5 BAD years before they "turned it around."
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 25, 2009 13:26:29 GMT -5
Sorry I don't know one of the top of my head. I'm not going to waste my time when it's over a fucking fight with you. But if your suggesting that no receiver has came in and been bad his first 3 years and then turned it around, well then I rest my case.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Aug 25, 2009 13:47:43 GMT -5
The fact that he was a former 1st round pick who is one of the fastest guys in the NFL. If he sharpens up his route running and hands, then for a 6th round pick, you get a great deal. I didn't even bother to read the rest because according to this statement Ryan Leaf would have been a steal if he could actually play QB. LOL
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Post by Apollo on Aug 25, 2009 19:06:39 GMT -5
Reggie Wayne, Donald Driver, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and Wes Welker have all been pretty late bloomers, some more than others and some with various factors affecting them. I don't think it's really such a huge stretch that Williamson could be good, but he probably has even less of a chance than most of these guys had. He won't be playing with a godly QB, like these had, and he has had more opportunity than some of these guys had at the same point in their career. A longshot, but it's possible.
But is it really that much less likely than getting a big time player in the 6th round? It's not like Tom Bradys or Adalius Thomases grow on trees. I don't see such a big deal in giving a 6th rounder for Williamson. Also, I don't see why there's such a big deal about Ebener liking his preseason games. It's football. Things get more and more exciting the closer we get.
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Post by SOME BIG ASS TDS on Aug 25, 2009 19:11:28 GMT -5
Reggie Wayne, Donald Driver, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and Wes Welker have all been pretty late bloomers, some more than others and some with various factors affecting them. I don't think it's really such a huge stretch that Williamson could be good, but he probably has even less of a chance than most of these guys had. He won't be playing with a godly QB, like these had, and he has had more opportunity than some of these guys had at the same point in their career. A longshot, but it's possible. But is it really that much less likely than getting a big time player in the 6th round? It's not like Tom Bradys or Adalius Thomases grow on trees. I don't see such a big deal in giving a 6th rounder for Williamson. Also, I don't see why there's such a big deal about Ebener liking his preseason games. It's football. Things get more and more exciting the closer we get. No ones making a big deal about this other than Ebener and all those guys have something that Williamson doesn't. A good QB, a good offense, and HANDS.
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Post by Speed Racer on Aug 25, 2009 21:38:05 GMT -5
Marty, go fuck yourself. You are never right about anything we ever discuss, so STFU. There is only a handful of people here who know as much as I do about football. If there is one thing I'm confident in discussing it's football and there hasn't been one time where you've "proven me wrong."
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Post by cjmjones008 on Aug 25, 2009 21:54:39 GMT -5
What I've always read about WR development is that it normally mostly occurs by the end of year 3. There are the occasional exceptions of guys being immediate impact players (Randy Moss) or
Wayne got good at the end of this 3rd year and had a great 4th season Driver went to Alcorn St so he was a long term development player and still broke out in year 4 TJ was injured year 3 broke out year 4 Welker had a very good year 4 but really broke out with Brady and a real offense
Williamson is entering year 5. Its not too late but he isn't (not even close IMO) as far along as any of those guys were between 3 and 4. He also doesn't have a Manning Harrison, Favre Freeman, Palmer Ochocinco, Brady Moss like the other 4 had in their situations
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 11:03:35 GMT -5
Troy Williamson will make the Hall of Fame easily
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Aug 26, 2009 14:23:09 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez
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Post by GMGreggor on Aug 26, 2009 17:58:01 GMT -5
Thanks for totally ignoring all the other points where I have proven you wrong. I will wait for everyone who knows anything about football to agree. WR and LB are two totally different positions and have nothing to do with each other. Name one WR who's had 3-5 straight bad seasons and "resurrected" their career. Jimmy Smith. Wow that took 2 seconds Thats not entirely accurate. The Cowboys cut him because their doctors sucked and did'nt diagnose an inflamed appendix if I remember correctly. They thought he was just a loafer and faking being sick. Turned out their doctors just suck. They did'nt cut him because of his talent or lack therof.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Aug 26, 2009 18:01:38 GMT -5
He wasn't productive right away as a pro. That's what I was referring to. He came out of nowhere, which is more of my point.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Aug 26, 2009 19:47:45 GMT -5
good point
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Post by Apollo on Aug 26, 2009 22:32:30 GMT -5
What I've always read about WR development is that it normally mostly occurs by the end of year 3. There are the occasional exceptions of guys being immediate impact players (Randy Moss) or Wayne got good at the end of this 3rd year and had a great 4th season Driver went to Alcorn St so he was a long term development player and still broke out in year 4 TJ was injured year 3 broke out year 4 Welker had a very good year 4 but really broke out with Brady and a real offense Williamson is entering year 5. Its not too late but he isn't (not even close IMO) as far along as any of those guys were between 3 and 4. He also doesn't have a Manning Harrison, Favre Freeman, Palmer Ochocinco, Brady Moss like the other 4 had in their situations Wasn't really my point, but I agree. I was just giving examples to Martinez's question.
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