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Post by duceisinmyheart on Dec 23, 2007 11:15:24 GMT -5
till Outlawz gets the boot cuz of the contract year.
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Post by WillC on Dec 23, 2007 18:38:26 GMT -5
I'm sure Outlawz will try and find a loophole, like he did in the NBN when one of his player's got injured Hey Outlawz, is that why you left the NBN?
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 23, 2007 18:45:06 GMT -5
No matter what Outlawz accomplishes, this is two versions of BBS where he proved the only way he is capable of building a winner is by tanking for top draft picks. Really impressive stuff.
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Post by James on Dec 23, 2007 19:08:47 GMT -5
I'm sure Outlawz will try and find a loophole, like he did in the NBN when one of his player's got injured Hey Outlawz, is that why you left the NBN? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 24, 2007 2:29:21 GMT -5
No matter what Outlawz accomplishes, this is two versions of BBS where he proved the only way he is capable of building a winner is by tanking for top draft picks. Really impressive stuff. His team was absolutely nasty in the last version of BBS, and Im pretty sure he had more future first then anyone. Whatever hes doing, it works. I guess guys are just jealous.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 24, 2007 18:53:56 GMT -5
I'm sure Outlawz will try and find a loophole, like he did in the NBN when one of his player's got injured Hey Outlawz, is that why you left the NBN? Owned.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 24, 2007 19:15:47 GMT -5
I can't wait till people one day get off my nuts. Name one gm besides reilly that didn't rebuild. That's why i really consider reilly the best. Krup, Hernando, dj, and you can go down the list of every gm who rebuilt to acquire players at some point in time. That's the foundation of building a winner. But of course because some guys like to hail my nuts you want to put the microscope on me. Tanking and rebuilding are 2 different terms. Understand the difference. Don't be ignorant
The difference is that once i rebuild i have a winner for numerous years not 3-4 yrs i build to win for 7-10 yrs. Tanking is when you have good players, you fuck with your depth chart, and try to purposely lose. You either understand it or you dont. Habes you really need to shut the fuck and look at your track record. You dont even have the capability to build a winner for more than 3 years. Are you going to fucking sit in your computer and be a fucking complete moron by saying rebuilding is tanking when you've had just as many winning seasons as bad? So i guess you were tanking right?
I built my team through trades. The only player that i drafted that was part of my championship teams was Yao. That's it.
Habes tenure
1998 - 52-30 1999 - 58-24 2000 - 55-27 2001 - 33-49 2002 - 24-58 2003 - 35-47 2004 - 41-41 2005 - 30-52 2006 - 40-42 2007 - 45-37 2008 - 47-35 2009 - 34-48 2010 - 15-67
Matter fact, if by year 4 i dont have a winner i'll get fired and i'll never try to return to bbs but if i build a winner then martinez quits and never comes back.. Deal? Habes if you want to get in that too then let me know. Im not here to make friends. Im here for fun. So lets make this fun bitches.
Will - that's so insignificant to me that im not even sure what your even talking about. The reason i quit was because i just wasn't interested in the league anymore and didn't really have time for 2 leagues.. I specifically mentioned that in the thread when i quit but if you want to act like the cool kid in school and mention something totally irrelevant then cool.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 24, 2007 19:17:05 GMT -5
No matter what Outlawz accomplishes, this is two versions of BBS where he proved the only way he is capable of building a winner is by tanking for top draft picks. Really impressive stuff. btw my only top pick was yao.. the other guy i drafted was hinrich. Please do your research. I've said this before. Yet you keep on throwing shit out there.
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Post by Garf2000 on Dec 24, 2007 19:29:03 GMT -5
I can't wait till people one day get off my nuts. Name one gm besides reilly that didn't rebuild. That's why i really consider reilly the best. Krup, Hernando, dj, and you can go down the list of every gm who rebuilt to acquire players at some point in time. That's the foundation of building a winner. But of course because some guys like to hail my nuts you want to put the microscope on me. Tanking and rebuilding are 2 different terms. Understand the difference. Don't be ignorant When did I ever rebuild and land a top pick? I'm pretty sure the only time I landed a top pick (Brandon Roy) was via a pick I had traded for. My worst seasons was something like 36 wins.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 24, 2007 19:38:14 GMT -5
I can't wait till people one day get off my nuts. Name one gm besides reilly that didn't rebuild. That's why i really consider reilly the best. Krup, Hernando, dj, and you can go down the list of every gm who rebuilt to acquire players at some point in time. That's the foundation of building a winner. But of course because some guys like to hail my nuts you want to put the microscope on me. Tanking and rebuilding are 2 different terms. Understand the difference. Don't be ignorant When did I ever rebuild and land a top pick? I'm pretty sure the only time I landed a top pick (Brandon Roy) was via a pick I had traded for. My worst seasons was something like 36 wins. You had 3 losing seasons Regardless of what the amount was. Who you landed or what you did the picks doesn't really matter. Just merely making a point dont take it up the ass.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 24, 2007 19:39:01 GMT -5
Outlawz, it's Aaron. First off, about my tenure: the 24-58 season came when Maniac took over after Ewing retired and dealt away all my talent to rebuild. The 35 win season was when I took back over. 2005 was a 30 win season in which my two best players, Odom and Hinrich (I think--don't completely remember if it was Hinrich), both missed over 15 games (Odom played like 19 I think, but if you look it up, it could have been 30 or so). So two of those awful seasons can't be put on me, really. And I just won 48.
My problem isn't how good of a GM you are compared to me. I just remember how angry everyone got with tanking at that beginning of the last league, and I hate to see so many guys do it. You are a great GM and you win all of your trades, but I don't think it's at all fair to the league or a true testament to whether or not you're a good GM if you flat out don't try so that your picks are good.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 24, 2007 19:42:22 GMT -5
Also, Outlawz, 4 seasons is ridiculous. Under the rules, wouldn't you get fired after that amount of time? So what's my incentive? I'd do three seasons for you to win 50.
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Post by Garf2000 on Dec 24, 2007 19:48:59 GMT -5
When did I ever rebuild and land a top pick? I'm pretty sure the only time I landed a top pick (Brandon Roy) was via a pick I had traded for. My worst seasons was something like 36 wins. You had 3 losing seasons Regardless of what the amount was. Who you landed or what you did the picks doesn't really matter. Just merely making a point dont take it up the ass. Your point doesn't make sense. I didn't rebuild to acquire players. I had three losing seasons out of fourteen. I didn't trade away everyone I had or whatever to land a top pick. When I landed a top pick it was because I had traded for good picks.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 25, 2007 0:07:04 GMT -5
You had 3 losing seasons Regardless of what the amount was. Who you landed or what you did the picks doesn't really matter. Just merely making a point dont take it up the ass. Your point doesn't make sense. I didn't rebuild to acquire players. I had three losing seasons out of fourteen. I didn't trade away everyone I had or whatever to land a top pick. When I landed a top pick it was because I had traded for good picks. Exactly i trade away my talent. I dont keep em and try to add on to it. Your team had talent and you didnt purposely try to lose. You just let it ride. I took another route and rolled the dice. My route obviously succeeded a lil bit better than yours (no offense even tho i always loved your teams). I dont know wtf is the problem. Krup got brand and manu. He traded away his talent to get land a high pick. I do the same and im getting shit. Its nothing personal. Again just tryin to make a point that everyone goes through losing seasons and theres different ways to do it. The only bad way would be to lose with talent or tryin to make a dc to lose. Habes - On my fourth year i would need to put out a winner in order to avoid getting fired. If im mistaken and it has to be on my third year then we do that. Either way ya can get rid of me. I really dont care at this point. I cant stand ya anymore so either i make ya leave or i go. So wateva you and martinez want to do im down. Ya can even combine wins. Lets just come to some kind of agreement. Tired of the talking lets talk where it really matters.
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Post by Ebener 12 on Dec 25, 2007 0:14:12 GMT -5
Outlawz means business!
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 25, 2007 0:44:14 GMT -5
Outlawz, under the rules, you'd have four years to win or be fired. What's the incentive for me to risk quitting when you need to win that supposed bet no matter what, regardless of whether or not I agree to the terms? Like I said, I'd do this: fifty wins in your third year or I quit.
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Post by Garf2000 on Dec 25, 2007 3:21:48 GMT -5
Your point doesn't make sense. I didn't rebuild to acquire players. I had three losing seasons out of fourteen. I didn't trade away everyone I had or whatever to land a top pick. When I landed a top pick it was because I had traded for good picks. Exactly i trade away my talent. I dont keep em and try to add on to it. Your team had talent and you didnt purposely try to lose. You just let it ride. I took another route and rolled the dice. My route obviously succeeded a lil bit better than yours (no offense even tho i always loved your teams). I dont know wtf is the problem. Krup got brand and manu. He traded away his talent to get land a high pick. I do the same and im getting shit. Its nothing personal. Again just tryin to make a point that everyone goes through losing seasons and theres different ways to do it. The only bad way would be to lose with talent or tryin to make a dc to lose. I don't have a problem with your teams at all, I just had a problem with you saying that I "can go down the list of every gm who rebuilt to acquire players at some point in time." I never did this. That's my point.
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Post by DB on Dec 25, 2007 11:59:30 GMT -5
contract year is 3 years now, spence changed it.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 25, 2007 13:57:57 GMT -5
Exactly i trade away my talent. I dont keep em and try to add on to it. Your team had talent and you didnt purposely try to lose. You just let it ride. I took another route and rolled the dice. My route obviously succeeded a lil bit better than yours (no offense even tho i always loved your teams). I dont know wtf is the problem. Krup got brand and manu. He traded away his talent to get land a high pick. I do the same and im getting shit. Its nothing personal. Again just tryin to make a point that everyone goes through losing seasons and theres different ways to do it. The only bad way would be to lose with talent or tryin to make a dc to lose. I don't have a problem with your teams at all, I just had a problem with you saying that I "can go down the list of every gm who rebuilt to acquire players at some point in time." I never did this. That's my point. Alright ma fault. I meant teams go through losing seasons and have to at some point be in the lotto. Just mentioned you as one of the guys because your one of the better gm's. Everybody does rebuild at some point though thats basically what im trying to convey
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 25, 2007 13:59:13 GMT -5
Outlawz, under the rules, you'd have four years to win or be fired. What's the incentive for me to risk quitting when you need to win that supposed bet no matter what, regardless of whether or not I agree to the terms? Like I said, I'd do this: fifty wins in your third year or I quit. You and Martinez agree on something and i'll agree. I want to kill 2 birds with 1 stone
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 25, 2007 14:23:53 GMT -5
Outlawz, under the rules, you'd have four years to win or be fired. What's the incentive for me to risk quitting when you need to win that supposed bet no matter what, regardless of whether or not I agree to the terms? Like I said, I'd do this: fifty wins in your third year or I quit. You and Martinez agree on something and i'll agree. I want to kill 2 birds with 1 stone Could really care less. If you want to do a bet for some reason, though it's completely irrelevant to my point, take the bet I offered.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Dec 25, 2007 14:28:21 GMT -5
what the fuck do i need to agree on
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Post by Dave on Dec 25, 2007 15:03:51 GMT -5
I can't wait till people one day get off my nuts. Name one gm besides reilly that didn't rebuild. That's why i really consider reilly the best. Krup, Hernando, dj, and you can go down the list of every gm who rebuilt to acquire players at some point in time. That's the foundation of building a winner. But of course because some guys like to hail my nuts you want to put the microscope on me. Tanking and rebuilding are 2 different terms. Understand the difference. Don't be ignorant The difference is that once i rebuild i have a winner for numerous years not 3-4 yrs i build to win for 7-10 yrs. Tanking is when you have good players, you fuck with your depth chart, and try to purposely lose. You either understand it or you dont. Habes you really need to shut the fuck and look at your track record. You dont even have the capability to build a winner for more than 3 years. Are you going to fucking sit in your computer and be a fucking complete moron by saying rebuilding is tanking when you've had just as many winning seasons as bad? So i guess you were tanking right? I built my team through trades. The only player that i drafted that was part of my championship teams was Yao. That's it. Habes tenure 1998 - 52-30 1999 - 58-24 2000 - 55-272001 - 33-49 2002 - 24-58 2003 - 35-47 2004 - 41-412005 - 30-52 2006 - 40-42 2007 - 45-37 2008 - 47-352009 - 34-48 2010 - 15-67 Matter fact, if by year 4 i dont have a winner i'll get fired and i'll never try to return to bbs but if i build a winner then martinez quits and never comes back.. Deal? Habes if you want to get in that too then let me know. Im not here to make friends. Im here for fun. So lets make this fun bitches. Will - that's so insignificant to me that im not even sure what your even talking about. The reason i quit was because i just wasn't interested in the league anymore and didn't really have time for 2 leagues.. I specifically mentioned that in the thread when i quit but if you want to act like the cool kid in school and mention something totally irrelevant then cool. I didn't see this til now and I have to defend myself. When did I rebuild to build my team? My draft pick fell lotto twice in over 13-14 seasons. Those two lotto picks were in the first two years of the league which got me Elton Brand and Jamal Crawford.
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Post by Dave on Dec 25, 2007 15:10:53 GMT -5
Your point doesn't make sense. I didn't rebuild to acquire players. I had three losing seasons out of fourteen. I didn't trade away everyone I had or whatever to land a top pick. When I landed a top pick it was because I had traded for good picks. Exactly i trade away my talent. I dont keep em and try to add on to it. Your team had talent and you didnt purposely try to lose. You just let it ride. I took another route and rolled the dice. My route obviously succeeded a lil bit better than yours (no offense even tho i always loved your teams). I dont know wtf is the problem. Krup got brand and manu. He traded away his talent to get land a high pick. I do the same and im getting shit. Its nothing personal. Again just tryin to make a point that everyone goes through losing seasons and theres different ways to do it. The only bad way would be to lose with talent or tryin to make a dc to lose. Habes - On my fourth year i would need to put out a winner in order to avoid getting fired. If im mistaken and it has to be on my third year then we do that. Either way ya can get rid of me. I really dont care at this point. I cant stand ya anymore so either i make ya leave or i go. So wateva you and martinez want to do im down. Ya can even combine wins. Lets just come to some kind of agreement. Tired of the talking lets talk where it really matters. I got Manu for a Minnesota pick that I traded to Miami. I got the Minnesota pick from the Alonzo Mourning trade. I made a mistake last post as I got Crawford with a pick via trade and the other guy I got was Mike Miller. So I had 2 losing seasons in 14 and they were the first two seasons. I was the 2nd most winning franchise in the league. I made my franchise by making trades and with free agency. I made a huge deal to get Jamal Mashburn early in the league which propelled my franchise to another level.
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Post by Aaron2344 on Dec 25, 2007 21:15:48 GMT -5
why do people still fight about this? by now, everyone has their mind made up of who did what. nothing is going to change it. and everyone knows what people did in the last sim, why do people keep bringing up old records? it's a new league, who cares about the past.
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