Article: Competition in Sim Leagues

[Skillz]

Competition in Sim Leagues
By, ‘Skillz

I was bored yesterday, and I confirmed what we all already know. BBS2000 is the best and most competitive sim league out there.

We all know that the activity is amazing, but the competition, I think, is the best we’ve seen. There used to be periods of time when the NBN was my favorite league, for in its prime, it was hard to compare to. However, with my time more limited than in the past, BBS is now my one and only league.

The other league I had been apart of for an extended period time was SLOR (Sim League One Retro), a league I founded about 2 years ago. Before SLOR was SLOX, a league in the same community that folded at year 2017 after starting in 2003. I’d say in its prime it was just under the likes of BBS/NBN.

Anyway, yesterday I went back and looked at my records from all of these leagues. My studies confirmed what I thought: My worst record, by far, was in BBS.

Although there are a ton of variables, I think it ultimately comes down to competition. I trade a lot in every league, and in every league I make a bunch of good and a bunch of bad trades. Yet, BBS is the only league that holds me accountable.

Here’s what my research showed:

SLOR:

Team: Warriors
Career Record: 462-298
Highest Seed: # 1
Years In Playoffs: 8/10
Playoff Success: 2 time Western Conference Champion, 42-40 career playoff record
Best Season: 61-21
Best Team:
C-Ben Wallace—B D- D- A A D
PF-Dirk Nowitzki—B- B C A- B+ C
SF-Peja Stojakovic—B A+ C B C C
SG: Ray Allen—A- A B- A- C C
PG: Steve Nash—B- A A+ C+ C- C—MVP

Analysis: Consistent success even though team changed every year. Lost in 7 twice in the finals. The above team was sick. Obviously the ratings across the league are unrealistic.

NBN II:

Team: Knicks
Career Record: 444-337
Highest Seed: # 1
Playoffs: 9/10
Playoff Success: Virtually none, .500 record in playoffs
Best Season: 60-22
Best Team:
C: Ademilton Dos Santos (7-11)—B D- D- A- B+ D_
PF: Perry Fairrow—B+ A C A B C
SF: Reid Tellinghuisen—A- A- B+ A- C C
SG: Andriy Lebenditsev—B-A A+ A- C- C
PG: Bryce Irlbeck—C A- B- A- C C

Analysis: The above team may have been the best team I’ve ever had in a competitive league. We had won 15 in a row going into the playoffs but Irlbeck got hurt and we lost in the first round.

[b]BBS 2:[/b][/u]

Team: Nets/Hawks
Career Record: Unknown (223-129 before team direction board was stopped)
Highest Seed: # 2
Playoffs: 5/8
Playoff Success: Division champs a couple of times
Best Season: 55-27, twice
Best Team:
C: Yao Ming—B C C- A A- C
PF: Andrew Bogut--B+ C- B- B- B+ C
SF: Jason Richardson--B+ A C+ B C C
SG: Luke Walton--B A- A B C+ D
PG: Smush Parker—C+ A A A- C- D

Analysis: Can’t remember my team exactly, but I had 3 straight very good years running outside. Walton was sick.

BBS 2000:

Team: Hawks
Career Record: 355-373
Playoffs: 4/9
Playoff Success: Not much, had more success than my less talented, defensive team than with my most talented team.
Best Season: 55-27
Best Team:
C: Marcus Camby—B C- C- A- A- C
PF: Antonio Mcdyess—A- C C B B- C
SF: Chris Webber—A- C C+ B B+ C
SG: Allen Iverson—A- B B- A- C C
PG: Mike Bibby—C A- A B C- C

Analysis: In terms of talent, the above team was by far the best. However, I could never get a good DC together and we only won 52 games. My team of Kidd/Wade/Battier/West/Camby was the most successful. I had the same DC the whole season basically and we won 55 games, losing to New York in 7 in the playoffs., the future champions.

So yea, may have just wasted all of your times. However, I get an RC and I thought it was interesting to look back at all of my former teams. BBS is the only league where I have ever been under .500 (.487), with my career record being 1484-1157 (.563)

BBS>All

[Speed Racer]

I still feel NBN2 was far and away the best league ever.

[Skillz]

During its prime, it was my favorite league. I liked it more than BBS2. I still think i prefer this version of BBS to NBN2, but it's close, and it's been a while so it's hard to say.

Nonetheless, it was a great league.

[Ducky]

Sept 20, 2008 13:06:32 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

I still feel NBN2 was far and away the best league ever.

[James]

Interesting article Skillz. You were great in NBNII, I loved that league. Impossible to compare it to BBS though.

[GP]

BBS > rest

[duceisinmyheart]

Sept 22, 2008 21:23:39 GMT -5 GP said:

BBS > rest

[jahallstar]

Your almost crappy as I am in the playoffs!

[aar]

Sept 20, 2008 13:06:32 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

I still feel NBN2 was far and away the best league ever.

I have to agree with this...

I think that's mainly because I had more spare time when this league was operating than I do now and I was able to really get into it.

I really like the BBS as well. It took me awhile to become immersed and really get how it works, but the GM loyalty here is tremendous and the competition is high.

[Ebener 12]

50

[Spencer]

Sept 20, 2008 13:06:32 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

I still feel NBN2 was far and away the best league ever.

Im just seeing this now.

To say "far and away" is somewhat insulting IMO. I understand loyalty, and I think a handful of GMs will always say NBN2 was the best league they were ever involved in. Thats fine. BBS Gms think BBS will always be the best and that's all that matters.

[Dave]

what could be better than BBS? I don't how it can get any better

[youngstabullz]

I wasn't in any of those leagues. Meaning, those leagues were not as good as this one.

[Spencer]

Oct 5, 2008 13:31:38 GMT -5 Dave said:

what could be better than BBS? I don't how it can get any better

Well Id think the major argument would be that I reward activity. BBS wouldnt be as active if I didnt do this. NBN2 had 150k in posts after 3+ real years. We have 110K in posts in just under a year. Id venture to say that rewards or not we were and are more active.

I guess the longevity of NBN has also been a point of contention. I will make that moot with this version of BBS. Recently I have decided I want this league to go another 20-25 years.

GM quality I think is even. I think at certain points in this version of BBS we have had the most talented pool of GMs ever, in any sim. Id like to see anyone argue against that point.

Overall I do understand why people that were in NBN2 think that was the best, I just dont see it being a landslide type decision.

[Speed Racer]

Oct 5, 2008 13:17:16 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Sept 20, 2008 13:06:32 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

I still feel NBN2 was far and away the best league ever.

Im just seeing this now.

To say "far and away" is somewhat insulting IMO. I understand loyalty, and I think a handful of GMs will always say NBN2 was the best league they were ever involved in. Thats fine. BBS Gms think BBS will always be the best and that's all that matters.

Why's that insulting? NBN was extremely active into the 2040's. That's pretty good.

I love BBS, but the longevity of NBN still has it 'far and away' better in my opinion. Don't be so sensitive.

[duceisinmyheart]

Oct 5, 2008 16:11:25 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Oct 5, 2008 13:17:16 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Im just seeing this now.

To say "far and away" is somewhat insulting IMO. I understand loyalty, and I think a handful of GMs will always say NBN2 was the best league they were ever involved in. Thats fine. BBS Gms think BBS will always be the best and that's all that matters.

Why's that insulting? NBN was extremely active into the 2040's. That's pretty good.

I love BBS, but the longevity of NBN still has it 'far and away' better in my opinion. Don't be so sensitive.

BBS doesn't have longevity? We've been around since 2002-2003

[Rocky]

Oct 5, 2008 16:30:08 GMT -5 @duceisinmyheart said:

Oct 5, 2008 16:11:25 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Why's that insulting? NBN was extremely active into the 2040's. That's pretty good.

I love BBS, but the longevity of NBN still has it 'far and away' better in my opinion. Don't be so sensitive.

BBS doesn't have longevity? We've been around since 2002-2003

He means their actual league, with no re-starts. This is our third league. I don't agree with it but yeah, that is what he means.

[Spencer]

Oct 5, 2008 16:11:25 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Oct 5, 2008 13:17:16 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Im just seeing this now.

To say "far and away" is somewhat insulting IMO. I understand loyalty, and I think a handful of GMs will always say NBN2 was the best league they were ever involved in. Thats fine. BBS Gms think BBS will always be the best and that's all that matters.

Why's that insulting? NBN was extremely active into the 2040's. That's pretty good.

I love BBS, but the longevity of NBN still has it 'far and away' better in my opinion. Don't be so sensitive.

I think its insulting. Thats why I said that.

[youngstabullz]

Just curious, why did the NBN end?

[Spencer]

Oct 5, 2008 16:47:27 GMT -5 @youngstabullz said:

Just curious, why did the NBN end?

Id say the overwhelming reason was it was stale. The simming was fine. The activity was mediocre. I think everyone thought it needed a little kick start. Well not everyone, but most.

[Spencer]

And its nearly impossible to get new GMs when you're 30 years in the future.

[youngstabullz]

Oct 5, 2008 16:50:10 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Oct 5, 2008 16:47:27 GMT -5 @youngstabullz said:

Just curious, why did the NBN end?

Id say the overwhelming reason was it was stale. The simming was fine. The activity was mediocre. I think everyone thought it needed a little kick start. Well not everyone, but most.

Spence, honestly, are you a FBB sim league historian?

[Spencer]

Oct 5, 2008 16:51:01 GMT -5 @youngstabullz said:

Oct 5, 2008 16:50:10 GMT -5 Spencer said:

Id say the overwhelming reason was it was stale. The simming was fine. The activity was mediocre. I think everyone thought it needed a little kick start. Well not everyone, but most.

Spence, honestly, are you a FBB sim league historian?

No. But as Ive built BBS Ive looked into other leagues to see what they have success with. I watch and I use things that work well and then modify it to best fit here.

[Rocky]

Ah Youngsta, delete that post and save the goodwill you have from that hilarious Mavs post in the other thread.

[youngstabullz]

Do you ever plan on taking a team yourself?