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Post by DB on Nov 10, 2008 18:04:21 GMT -5
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Post by AllStar0608 on Nov 10, 2008 18:13:18 GMT -5
meh, if oakland plans on locking him which i could see them doing. it would be a great trade for them (as long as they dont move street in it).
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 18:14:09 GMT -5
Street is incredibly overrated.
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 18:18:18 GMT -5
"In a report for the Denver Post, Troy Renck reports the two teams have agreed in principle to swap Street, Gonzalez, and relief pitcher Greg Smith for Holliday."
Gonzalez is the man, I love that guy.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Nov 10, 2008 18:18:48 GMT -5
I'm surprised Oakland made this move. Beane is obsessed with his prospects. I like it for them though.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Nov 10, 2008 18:19:37 GMT -5
Colorado gets pretty good value as well.
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 18:21:18 GMT -5
The main reason that I'm surprised with this deal is because Holliday just doesn't seem like a Beane guy. It's strange that he's going to take a chance on Holliday being more of the coors hitter he is than the road hitter. He's a 1000+ OPS in Coors guy, and in the 800s on the road (892 this past year if I remember right). Still a really good hitter, but I'm surprised he's paying superstar price for a Coors superstar.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Nov 10, 2008 18:33:39 GMT -5
holliday is a STAR. he will be great for oakland.
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Post by Ducky on Nov 10, 2008 18:34:09 GMT -5
meh baseball is boring. the Ms suck.
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 18:38:14 GMT -5
holliday is a STAR. he will be great for oakland. Holliday is great, but I'm really curious to see what happens to his numbers now that he's going from a drastic hitters park to a drastic pitchers park. He couldn't have gone to much more of an opposite, with the exception of Petco. Still, 140 OPS+ is big time. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Nov 10, 2008 18:53:26 GMT -5
I think he'll be fine... .308/.405/.486, his road numbers, are still extremely solid, and let's not forget that he played in three big time pitchers' parks in his division. Should be interesting.
But looking at the deal again, the deal seems pretty strange. Unless Beane is confident enough to believe Oakland's a playoff team, Holliday's pretty much a one year rental.
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Post by noves on Nov 10, 2008 18:54:44 GMT -5
Good deal for A's if they lock up Holliday.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Nov 10, 2008 18:56:32 GMT -5
I think they're content with letting him go after this year and gaining the compensation picks, similar to the Sabathia deal. Their dealing more away than what the Brewers gave up for CC, though.
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 18:57:12 GMT -5
I think he'll be fine... .308/.405/.486, his road numbers, are still extremely solid, and let's not forget that he played in three big time pitchers' parks in his division. Should be interesting. But looking at the deal again, the deal seems pretty strange. Unless Beane is confident enough to believe Oakland's a playoff team, Holliday's pretty much a one year rental. Arizona is a hitters park. True on Petco/Dodger Stadium though. He's sick, but he plays in Coors. That fact is always going to make me hesitate on a player, especially when the home/road splits are drastic. They don't have to be. IIRC, Helton put up a 1000 (or close to it) road OPS in one of his crazy seasons. Maybe 2000, I'll check. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Nov 10, 2008 18:59:16 GMT -5
I think he'll be fine... .308/.405/.486, his road numbers, are still extremely solid, and let's not forget that he played in three big time pitchers' parks in his division. Should be interesting. But looking at the deal again, the deal seems pretty strange. Unless Beane is confident enough to believe Oakland's a playoff team, Holliday's pretty much a one year rental. Arizona is a hitters park. True on Petco/Dodger Stadium though. He's sick, but he plays in Coors. That fact is always going to make me hesitate on a player, especially when the home/road splits are drastic. They don't have to be. IIRC, Helton put up a 1000 (or close to it) road OPS in one of his crazy seasons. Maybe 2000, I'll check. The third park I was talking about was Pac Bell (or whatever its called now) |
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 18:59:42 GMT -5
Yeah, 2000 Helton put up a 1242 at home, 1074 on the road... holy shit. Wow. 977 on the road the next year, 1252 at home. Insane numbers.
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Post by Rocky on Nov 10, 2008 19:00:36 GMT -5
Arizona is a hitters park. True on Petco/Dodger Stadium though. He's sick, but he plays in Coors. That fact is always going to make me hesitate on a player, especially when the home/road splits are drastic. They don't have to be. IIRC, Helton put up a 1000 (or close to it) road OPS in one of his crazy seasons. Maybe 2000, I'll check. The third park I was talking about was Pac Bell (or whatever its called now) Weird, for some reason I completely forgot about San Fran. True then, three big pitchers parks. Evens it out some. |
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