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Post by Outlawz on Dec 27, 2008 3:09:44 GMT -5
So dont do it.. Pretty simple really.
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Post by JBJB2FK on Dec 27, 2008 4:21:30 GMT -5
So dont do it.. Pretty simple really. |
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Post by aar on Dec 27, 2008 12:04:49 GMT -5
IF YOU DON'T LIKE MIDSEASON PROGRESSION, DON'T USE YOUR RCS ON THEM AND LET OTHERS USE THEM
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 27, 2008 12:13:08 GMT -5
That's really not the nature of the complaint at all. I think it was a fun idea, but now that it's unfolded for the duration of the league, it's rewarded some guys a lot and others not at all, and it's not worth to continue on just because it's random. It's silly. Aar, it's done huge things for you, but isn't it a bit much? At some point it blurs the line between building a good team and getting lucky with a +10 to potential. And for what it's worth, getting a +3 in one category isn't even 20% as significant as boosting a guy's potential from 75 to 85, 80 to 90, etc.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 27, 2008 12:49:51 GMT -5
Your an idiot. Potential can be 100 and a player will not be great. Enhancing a certain attribute does much more. If its like that then we should eliminate everything altogether and just keep the reward camps and that's it.
I got the +10 on stuckey and he never became great.
With midseason its like gambling. You risking 2 rc's not knowin who will get it. It can be your best player or your 12th man. I rather see some guys be pissed and some guys be happy than everyone happy
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 27, 2008 13:03:53 GMT -5
Your an idiot. Potential can be 100 and a player will not be great. Enhancing a certain attribute does much more. If its like that then we should eliminate everything altogether and just keep the reward camps and that's it. I got the +10 on stuckey and he never became great. With midseason its like gambling. You risking 2 rc's not knowin who will get it. It can be your best player or your 12th man. I rather see some guys be pissed and some guys be happy than everyone happy "Your an idiot"? Nice way to be a dick for no reason, but I'm especially impressed that in a three word setence in which you called someone else an idiot, you managed to make a grammatical error. Fuck off. You didn't even do anything to refute my point. There's a big difference between 80 and 90 potential, and anyone who's ever simmed knows that. Did I ever say everyone with 90 potential becomes great? Not at all. But they have a much better chance of becoming great than a guy with 80 potential, and if that weren't the case, potential would be irrelevant. Seriously, you're actually trying to downplay potential in a sim league? How do guys who start off with B- at their highest rating end up with three As? Happens all the time. Potential is massive. It's basically a lock that if you get a +10 to a guy with 75 potential or higher, it's going to end up as more than +3. And in most cases, a lot more. Great point on Stuckey, though. Really. By that logic, nobody with 90 potential has more value than somebody with 80 potential. And if enhancin a certain attribute does much more, then a guy with B/B/C/B/C ratings and 80 potential who gets a +3 to his outside and doesn't go up (which happens all the time) has more value than a guy with B/B/C/B/C ratings and 90 potential who didn't get the +3. Not even close. |
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Dec 27, 2008 13:53:02 GMT -5
+3 or +5 in an attribute doesn't even compare to +10 in real potential. The potential increase is way more drastic. You might be in favor of midseason progression, but that's not an argument you can make.
I just don't like luck playing a role in something so big. At least with post-padding or RC's you're being rewarded for your activity.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 28, 2008 13:49:49 GMT -5
Oh i made a grammatical error lol what a comeback.
Since your just blatantly ignorant my point is that yes potential obviously does play a role and a +10 could potentially be very beneficial it can also play no role. Sometimes it doesn't do anything meaning it's not for certain that it'll improve guys while if you improve an attribute +3 or +5 or even that one +10 while it's only 3-10 it a permanent increase which plays a role right away. Potential can go either way and my point is towards the 'free' points in post past threads, etc. Not talking about RC camps. So no it's not a lock and you can ask Spence yourself if anything it just adds to maybe durability. Also, i wasn't trying to downplay potential im stating that sometimes it can go either way so it's not a guarantee.
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Post by noves on Dec 28, 2008 13:52:37 GMT -5
Neither is a +3 to an attribute. I've done +3's to a player and they've gone up a letter rating only to go back down the next TC.
+10 to potential is FAR more drastic then +3, or even +5 to an attribute.
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Post by easy on Dec 28, 2008 13:53:45 GMT -5
Oh i made a grammatical error lol what a comeback. Since your just blatantly ignorant my point is that yes potential obviously does play a role and a +10 could potentially be very beneficial it can also play no role. Sometimes it doesn't do anything meaning it's not for certain that it'll improve guys while if you improve an attribute +3 or +5 or even that one +10 while it's only 3-10 it a permanent increase which plays a role right away. Potential can go either way and my point is towards the 'free' points in post past threads, etc. Not talking about RC camps. So no it's not a lock and you can ask Spence yourself if anything it just adds to maybe durability. Also, i wasn't trying to downplay potential im stating that sometimes it can go either way so it's not a guarantee. yeah like seriously... 9 times out of 10 his comebacks have to do with someones lack of "grammar" like for reals... OMG I SPELLED SOMETHING WRONG ON A BASKETBALL SIM LEAGUE FORUM AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 28, 2008 14:05:07 GMT -5
Midseason Progression almost always helps a player in some way. Even when a scrub gets it they often turn into a descent backup. I like Midseason Progression a lot because of the uncertainty of who will get it and how much better they will get from it.
I would rather make it more than 1 RC to participate in Midseason Progression,announce the winners in the next offseason, and count MP towards one of the 3 RCs on a player. I think this would reduce the inflated ratings because most GMs wouldn't have as many RCs come the offseason, be able to participate in MP, and the player wouldn't be able to get a +10 to potential and +9 to ratings.
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Post by Jay on Dec 28, 2008 15:43:32 GMT -5
Neither is a +3 to an attribute. I've done +3's to a player and they've gone up a letter rating only to go back down the next TC. +10 to potential is FAR more drastic then +3, or even +5 to an attribute. You are wrong. |
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Post by aar on Dec 28, 2008 15:57:56 GMT -5
That's really not the nature of the complaint at all. I think it was a fun idea, but now that it's unfolded for the duration of the league, it's rewarded some guys a lot and others not at all, and it's not worth to continue on just because it's random. It's silly. Aar, it's done huge things for you, but isn't it a bit much? At some point it blurs the line between building a good team and getting lucky with a +10 to potential. And for what it's worth, getting a +3 in one category isn't even 20% as significant as boosting a guy's potential from 75 to 85, 80 to 90, etc. It's done huge things for me?? I've never had a single player explode after Midseason Progression except for Kemba Walker who I traded for fucking Jarvis Varnado after the reward. So don't make up bullshit. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 28, 2008 15:59:35 GMT -5
Oh i made a grammatical error lol what a comeback. Since your just blatantly ignorant my point is that yes potential obviously does play a role and a +10 could potentially be very beneficial it can also play no role. Sometimes it doesn't do anything meaning it's not for certain that it'll improve guys while if you improve an attribute +3 or +5 or even that one +10 while it's only 3-10 it a permanent increase which plays a role right away. Potential can go either way and my point is towards the 'free' points in post past threads, etc. Not talking about RC camps. So no it's not a lock and you can ask Spence yourself if anything it just adds to maybe durability. Also, i wasn't trying to downplay potential im stating that sometimes it can go either way so it's not a guarantee. yeah like seriously... 9 times out of 10 his comebacks have to do with someones lack of "grammar" like for reals... OMG I SPELLED SOMETHING WRONG ON A BASKETBALL SIM LEAGUE FORUM AHHHHHHHHHHHHH He called me an idiot and couldn't use proper grammar in the sentence. C'mon. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 28, 2008 16:00:44 GMT -5
That's really not the nature of the complaint at all. I think it was a fun idea, but now that it's unfolded for the duration of the league, it's rewarded some guys a lot and others not at all, and it's not worth to continue on just because it's random. It's silly. Aar, it's done huge things for you, but isn't it a bit much? At some point it blurs the line between building a good team and getting lucky with a +10 to potential. And for what it's worth, getting a +3 in one category isn't even 20% as significant as boosting a guy's potential from 75 to 85, 80 to 90, etc. It's done huge things for me?? I've never had a single player explode after Midseason Progression except for Kemba Walker who I traded for fucking Jarvis Varnado after the reward. So don't make up bullshit. How could that be bullshit? I'm not saying it detracts from the job you do, but having Walker and Riggs both get the +10 is obviously huge. Pretty much no way to deny that. |
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Post by aar on Dec 28, 2008 19:22:31 GMT -5
It's done huge things for me?? I've never had a single player explode after Midseason Progression except for Kemba Walker who I traded for fucking Jarvis Varnado after the reward. So don't make up bullshit. How could that be bullshit? I'm not saying it detracts from the job you do, but having Walker and Riggs both get the +10 is obviously huge. Pretty much no way to deny that. Sure there is! Kemba had one good TC afterwards and I traded him after the progression. Riggs could crash and burn in the next few TCs, who knows? There's no proof that it will help him. |
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Post by GP on Dec 28, 2008 20:26:18 GMT -5
Keep the MP.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 29, 2008 4:54:43 GMT -5
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 29, 2008 10:56:11 GMT -5
Spence should decide this.
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 29, 2008 11:35:14 GMT -5
He already did.
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 29, 2008 12:29:34 GMT -5
Where?
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Post by easy on Dec 29, 2008 12:43:33 GMT -5
I like midseason progression. I think its another thing to talk about. While somehwat unrealistic, I think a league needs "other" things to keep it active. This is kind of the reason I suggested the Franchise Player in BBSBL. Its nice to have multiple things to discuss and talk about besides just the sim. So, its staying. |
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Post by Jay on Dec 29, 2008 13:13:59 GMT -5
Well that's just 16 year old with freckles.
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