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Post by JBJB2FK on Dec 25, 2008 16:05:29 GMT -5
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Post by aar on Dec 25, 2008 23:25:43 GMT -5
I don't get why we can't have both...
I love Midseason Progression
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Post by Skillz on Dec 25, 2008 23:30:46 GMT -5
We should have both but if it's a choice, post pad
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Post by Rocky on Dec 25, 2008 23:43:13 GMT -5
Midseason progression is a really stupid concept IMO. IDK why we had it so long but I'd love to get rid of it.
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Post by aar on Dec 25, 2008 23:43:16 GMT -5
Why is everyone against Midseason Progression all of a sudden tho?
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Post by Rocky on Dec 25, 2008 23:44:12 GMT -5
Why is everyone against Midseason Progression all of a sudden tho? I've never been a fan. Just decided to post now that it is indirectly taking away things like post-padding opportunities because of inflated ratings. |
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Post by aar on Dec 26, 2008 0:20:31 GMT -5
Why is everyone against Midseason Progression all of a sudden tho? I've never been a fan. Just decided to post now that it is indirectly taking away things like post-padding opportunities because of inflated ratings. And 10 GMs agree with this? We're eliminating something for no reason! |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2008 0:27:04 GMT -5
I've never been a fan. Just decided to post now that it is indirectly taking away things like post-padding opportunities because of inflated ratings. And 10 GMs agree with this? We're eliminating something for no reason! What? Midseason progression is completely stupid. It cannot be justified at all for a sim league. RCs I get (and love). The harder you work for your team (which for a sim league would equate to activity), the better your team becomes/performs. But a +10 increase to a player's potential based purely on luck is ridiculous. It puts some teams in better position than other teams for NO reason other than they got lucky. Believe me, I'm not bitching because I've been screwed by the midseason progression. I got Manu once (although I dealt him before his next TC, but still) and Paul as well. It just makes no sense to me to have us put together teams and then leave it up to chance to have our team or our competitors get better based off of the +10. On its own I'd love to get rid of midseason progression. Combined with the fact that inflated ratings have kept us from post-padding threads, as well as attempting to tone down ratings in the draft classes (thus putting the rebuilding teams at an unfair advantage because their "studs" aren't as "studly")? No brainer. The only real reason for midseason progression to me (other than not caring about post-padding opportunities) is "It's fun!". Aside from that, no, makes no sense. I'm curious to see you justify it. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 26, 2008 0:35:22 GMT -5
I think the Midseason thing ran its course a long time ago. I think it detracts from what I love about BBS in that it's making Spence believe the ratings are inflated. That means less interesting draft classes and fewer post-pad threads, which really to me is a huge component of the fun of BBS. When I asked Spence recently for a post-pad thread, he told me ratings were inflated. I disagree with that, first off, and if it were the case, I think tossing +10 in potential to 20 guys a year is a bit ridiculous. So it either loads the league with more good players or makes studs better when Spence is worried about an influx of high ratings. We suffer because post-pad threads are far more interesting, as is maintaining quality draft files. If a +10 in potential is what's standing between BBS and one of its trademark concepts, let's get rid of the Midseason Progression. It doesn't make sense at the end of the day to have it, anyway. Giving out a +3 as a reward contributes far less to inflating ratings and post-padding is one of the best, most important aspects of BBS, imo.
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Post by dj on Dec 26, 2008 1:10:44 GMT -5
we're already allowed to use 4 RC's every TC to improve players... which is more than enough.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 26, 2008 1:14:24 GMT -5
Im not really worried about inflated ratings, I just hate to do post pad threads once a season. Its a fun thing, but it should be a rare occurrence. I say most drafts in the future will be toned done mostly because I think we had a couple of really big drafts right at the end of the real players. I think drafts should vary, and i think they have in BBS. I think ratings are fine now, and that midseason progression going away, if it does go away, wont mean well have more post padding threads. It doesnt have to be an either or issue, but regardless we wont have more post pad threads.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2008 1:35:50 GMT -5
Post-pad or not, I think midseason progression is a completely unnecessary aspect of the league and I hope it is gone.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2008 1:38:43 GMT -5
Im not really worried about inflated ratings, I just hate to do post pad threads once a season. Its a fun thing, but it should be a rare occurrence. I say most drafts in the future will be toned done mostly because I think we had a couple of really big drafts right at the end of the real players. I think drafts should vary, and i think they have in BBS. I think ratings are fine now, and that midseason progression going away, if it does go away, wont mean well have more post padding threads. It doesnt have to be an either or issue, but regardless we wont have more post pad threads. ...which is also why I wanted people to vote in my thread, not this one. IDK if people are voting to get rid of midseason or in favor of post-padding. That's why the other one was a simple "yes/no" to midseason progression. |
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Post by DB on Dec 26, 2008 12:13:42 GMT -5
This was just a fun interesting idea that happened every other year for no reason that I enjoyed. It was bad/good but still fun to have. It sucks we have to get rid of it.
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Post by DB on Dec 26, 2008 12:16:22 GMT -5
Im not really worried about inflated ratings, I just hate to do post pad threads once a season. Its a fun thing, but it should be a rare occurrence. I say most drafts in the future will be toned done mostly because I think we had a couple of really big drafts right at the end of the real players. I think drafts should vary, and i think they have in BBS. I think ratings are fine now, and that midseason progression going away, if it does go away, wont mean well have more post padding threads. It doesnt have to be an either or issue, but regardless we wont have more post pad threads. PP threads are not a big deal to me. Really do not care for them if they are here or gone. I would rather have one every 2-3 seasons or so. After having so many a few seasons back all in one time it got annoying IMO, did not really like it but I went with it. I am glad you will tone it down a bit. |
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 26, 2008 14:03:33 GMT -5
I voted no. Post pad threads are more annoying. Mid season progression are only once every couple of seasons and its completely random which i like. If you dont like it dont participate in it. Dont have to ruin it for everyone else. But what can u do. The tribe has spoken i guess.
And instead of just voting it would be nice for people to actually post as to why they're for or against rather than mark/habes speaking.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 26, 2008 14:05:45 GMT -5
Ya. Im not gonna do anything based on this poll. Its not really clearly stated.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2008 14:06:01 GMT -5
This is why I DIDN'T start this thread. I hate the way the question is set up. It shouldn't be post-padding or midseason. The reason I brought it up was because i don't like midseason and a lot of others don't either. This poll frames it as midseason or post-padding which is not at all what I wanted it to be. Honesty opinion? I don't REALLY like the post-padding threads. Pretty much agree 100% with Dan. They got annoying. I just hate midseason progression and would prefer to eliminate it even if we don't increase the post-pad threads.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2008 14:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by Rocky on Dec 26, 2008 14:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by Outlawz on Dec 26, 2008 14:29:34 GMT -5
Part of your argument towards eliminating the MP was that it takes away from post pad threads which you said was a 'staple' of bbs. Adding to potential doesnt really guarantee anything. I've had guys go down the season after. While the post pad threads guarantees an increase in attribute permanently.
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Post by JBJB2FK on Dec 26, 2008 15:16:16 GMT -5
Part of your argument towards eliminating the MP was that it takes away from post pad threads which you said was a 'staple' of bbs. Adding to potential doesnt really guarantee anything. I've had guys go down the season after. While the post pad threads guarantees an increase in attribute permanently. |
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Post by Jay on Dec 26, 2008 16:40:23 GMT -5
Post pad threads inflate a leagues ratings, not mid-season progression. One is based on time and is done once every 2 seasons, another based off time, requires no thinking, and is relatively pointless.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 26, 2008 19:06:00 GMT -5
I don't get why we can't have both... I love Midseason Progression |
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Post by Apollo on Dec 27, 2008 2:32:34 GMT -5
I just personally think Midseason Progession is stupid. As for post-padding, I could care less.
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