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Post by Jay on Jan 8, 2009 21:49:11 GMT -5
As a Lions fan, they need everything aside from a starting middle lineback, wide receiver, running back, and kicker.
I really don't know who they should draft. Is Bradford really the QB we would need him to be? They have plenty of picks, so maybe they can get a QB steal later in the 1st? The again our GM was Matt Millen's assistant for 8 years.
That team is fucked.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 8, 2009 21:58:17 GMT -5
Jets need a good LB/DE for the 3-4. We should of kept Vilma, Harris had a horrible year. Hopefully he can rebound. I am not really sure who we should get as the HC anymore, I have had a lot of second thoughts on guys. Looks like Sutton will be gone which will be nice. I would not mind letting Shot go since he did not have many good play calling choices all year. I would not mind drafting a QB with our 1st rounder. vilma BLOWS in a 3-4. the move from 4-3 to 3-4 was dumb.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jan 8, 2009 22:02:50 GMT -5
Jets need a good LB/DE for the 3-4. We should of kept Vilma, Harris had a horrible year. Hopefully he can rebound. I am not really sure who we should get as the HC anymore, I have had a lot of second thoughts on guys. Looks like Sutton will be gone which will be nice. I would not mind letting Shot go since he did not have many good play calling choices all year. I would not mind drafting a QB with our 1st rounder. vilma BLOWS in a 3-4. the move from 4-3 to 3-4 was dumb. Vilma is bad at getting off blocks, but in his two years in a 3-4 system, he never had a chance to play behind a good line that would occupy blockers (Jenkins does that as well as anybody). The guy is a great tackler in open space and is expectional in coverage
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Post by DB on Jan 8, 2009 22:44:50 GMT -5
Jets need a good LB/DE for the 3-4. We should of kept Vilma, Harris had a horrible year. Hopefully he can rebound. I am not really sure who we should get as the HC anymore, I have had a lot of second thoughts on guys. Looks like Sutton will be gone which will be nice. I would not mind letting Shot go since he did not have many good play calling choices all year. I would not mind drafting a QB with our 1st rounder. vilma BLOWS in a 3-4. the move from 4-3 to 3-4 was dumb. you give the guy a chance to play in it. He was hurt the entire season. I would love to have him back, such a great player.
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Post by Spencer on Jan 8, 2009 23:44:38 GMT -5
As a Lions fan, they need everything aside from a starting middle lineback, wide receiver, running back, and kicker. I really don't know who they should draft. Is Bradford really the QB we would need him to be? They have plenty of picks, so maybe they can get a QB steal later in the 1st? The again our GM was Matt Millen's assistant for 8 years. That team is fucked. I hate when teams with no oline draft a QB. I hope they take a WR! No, but seriously. They should go defense or oline.
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Post by Spencer on Jan 8, 2009 23:45:52 GMT -5
Eagles draft wish list: 1- RB Chris Wells 2 - WR Ramses Barden 3 - OT Jamon Meredith 4 - ILB Jasper Brinkley 5 - S Darcel McBath 5 - RB Herb Donaldson 6 - QB Chase Clement 7 - OLB Solomon Elimimian McNabb is staying?
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Post by cjmjones008 on Jan 8, 2009 23:54:54 GMT -5
I'm confused on what you mean? Making fun or the pick or what how was he the BPA? umm you do realize that GMs don't use Mel Kiper's board right? He was a preseason top 15 or 10 pick till he got hurt and only played 3 games I believe. Also, if you knew anything about Ted Thompson you would think you are a complete idiot. His policy has always been best player available. He will sometimes reach a spot or two for more of a need, but it is well known by all NFL draft followers that you never know where he is going because it is who he has rated highest.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Jan 9, 2009 0:04:39 GMT -5
As a Lions fan, they need everything aside from a starting middle lineback, wide receiver, running back, and kicker. I really don't know who they should draft. Is Bradford really the QB we would need him to be? They have plenty of picks, so maybe they can get a QB steal later in the 1st? The again our GM was Matt Millen's assistant for 8 years. That team is fucked. Bradford can't do shit when he is under pressure. His last 3 losses have been when there has been pressure in his pace on consistent basis. He has only played out of a shotgun spread style of offense. He would be a terrible fit for the Lions. Matthew Stafford has a ton of talent but has never really impressed me on the college level. I don't see him ever being a dominate pro QB but if he goes into the right situation I could see him as a very efficient QB. The Lions are not this situation. He would look very similar to Joey Harrington out there if he goes to the Lions.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 0:56:42 GMT -5
Eagles draft wish list: 1- RB Chris Wells 2 - WR Ramses Barden 3 - OT Jamon Meredith 4 - ILB Jasper Brinkley 5 - S Darcel McBath 5 - RB Herb Donaldson 6 - QB Chase Clement 7 - OLB Solomon Elimimian beanie wells = NOT worth taking in the first round. he doesnt have the heat to succeed. he gets hurt WAY too much. plus its so easy to get good RBs in rounds 3 and 4. u can get a guy in round 3 or 4 that can backpu westbrook and take over down the road. eagles should grab a safety sooner to work with brian dawkins for a bit.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 0:56:54 GMT -5
Eagles draft wish list: 1- RB Chris Wells 2 - WR Ramses Barden 3 - OT Jamon Meredith 4 - ILB Jasper Brinkley 5 - S Darcel McBath 5 - RB Herb Donaldson 6 - QB Chase Clement 7 - OLB Solomon Elimimian McNabb is staying? they already drafted his replacement.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 0:57:42 GMT -5
As a Lions fan, they need everything aside from a starting middle lineback, wide receiver, running back, and kicker. I really don't know who they should draft. Is Bradford really the QB we would need him to be? They have plenty of picks, so maybe they can get a QB steal later in the 1st? The again our GM was Matt Millen's assistant for 8 years. That team is fucked. I hate when teams with no oline draft a QB. I hope they take a WR! No, but seriously. They should go defense or oline. me too. the bengals did it with klingler in the early 90s and akili smith later on. klingler could have actually been good. akili just blew ass. he played a whole 19 college games and only had 1 good year. he should have never gone round 1.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 0:58:33 GMT -5
vilma BLOWS in a 3-4. the move from 4-3 to 3-4 was dumb. you give the guy a chance to play in it. He was hurt the entire season. I would love to have him back, such a great player. he's a superstar in a 4-3. he's not a 3-4 guy. he isnt big enough and he isnt strong enough.
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Post by Funky George! on Jan 9, 2009 1:09:00 GMT -5
you give the guy a chance to play in it. He was hurt the entire season. I would love to have him back, such a great player. he's a superstar in a 4-3. he's not a 3-4 guy. he isnt big enough and he isnt strong enough. I'll never buy this garbage. 3-4s need speed so much more than the Jets gave any thought to this year. He gets to the ball faster than anyone but Revis did for the Jets this year. He's an MLB, yeah, but does he have to stuff the run? With Jenkins, it was hard as hell to run up the middle against the Jets for the first 11 games or so, and the Jets had problems tackling at the second level, covering TEs/a lot up the middle. I think Vilma would've been our best LB this year.
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Post by DB on Jan 9, 2009 1:22:19 GMT -5
you give the guy a chance to play in it. He was hurt the entire season. I would love to have him back, such a great player. he's a superstar in a 4-3. he's not a 3-4 guy. he isnt big enough and he isnt strong enough. I don't buy that for a second, he would of done fine, better than what we had anyway.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jan 9, 2009 1:27:29 GMT -5
he's a superstar in a 4-3. he's not a 3-4 guy. he isnt big enough and he isnt strong enough. I'll never buy this garbage. 3-4s need speed so much more than the Jets gave any thought to this year. He gets to the ball faster than anyone but Revis did for the Jets this year. He's an MLB, yeah, but does he have to stuff the run? With Jenkins, it was hard as hell to run up the middle against the Jets for the first 11 games or so, and the Jets had problems tackling at the second level, covering TEs/a lot up the middle. I think Vilma would've been our best LB this year. 3-4 ILB's are basically assigned to stopping the run. That's what makes defenses such as the Steelers work so well - James Farrior is one of the best run-stuffing LB's in the game. So yeah, an ILB in a 3-4 defense really does have to stuff the run for it to be effective. They have to be disciplined, gap-aware players that stay in position at all times. If the ILB's are consistently getting blown off the ball then the defense will just be simply atrocious.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 13:20:56 GMT -5
also vilmas knee injury was very scary. he had the same problem peter warrick had and it ended warricks career.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jan 9, 2009 13:46:02 GMT -5
Also, if you knew anything about Ted Thompson you would think you are a complete idiot. What does this even mean? preseason projections mean very little, so idk why you're bringing up where Harrell was before the season. He might have been #1 on Thompson's board but he was far from the consensus BPA (not just Kiper's, so fuck off)
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jan 9, 2009 13:52:01 GMT -5
I'll never buy this garbage. 3-4s need speed so much more than the Jets gave any thought to this year. He gets to the ball faster than anyone but Revis did for the Jets this year. He's an MLB, yeah, but does he have to stuff the run? With Jenkins, it was hard as hell to run up the middle against the Jets for the first 11 games or so, and the Jets had problems tackling at the second level, covering TEs/a lot up the middle. I think Vilma would've been our best LB this year. 3-4 ILB's are basically assigned to stopping the run. That's what makes defenses such as the Steelers work so well - James Farrior is one of the best run-stuffing LB's in the game. So yeah, an ILB in a 3-4 defense really does have to stuff the run for it to be effective. They have to be disciplined, gap-aware players that stay in position at all times. If the ILB's are consistently getting blown off the ball then the defense will just be simply atrocious. With a line that occupies blockers, Vilma would have been able to make more tackles in open space. However 3-4 ILB's often need to be able to get off blocks and Vilma's just not strong enough for that. I know he racked up alot of tackles but I heard he wasn't all that great with the Saints this past year... that injury might've had a huge effect on him.
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Post by GMGreggor on Jan 9, 2009 20:44:48 GMT -5
As a Lions fan, they need everything aside from a starting middle lineback, wide receiver, running back, and kicker. I really don't know who they should draft. Is Bradford really the QB we would need him to be? They have plenty of picks, so maybe they can get a QB steal later in the 1st? The again our GM was Matt Millen's assistant for 8 years. That team is fucked. Bradford can't do shit when he is under pressure. His last 3 losses have been when there has been pressure in his pace on consistent basis. He has only played out of a shotgun spread style of offense. He would be a terrible fit for the Lions. Matthew Stafford has a ton of talent but has never really impressed me on the college level. I don't see him ever being a dominate pro QB but if he goes into the right situation I could see him as a very efficient QB. The Lions are not this situation. He would look very similar to Joey Harrington out there if he goes to the Lions. Most QB's struggle when under heavy pressure. Cant think of many that has'nt. I kinda like Bradford. The system he was in should raise concerns though as well as his bodytype. He looks kinda skinny. Having said that Montana was a real slim guy and it did'nt hurt him. He seems able to make the throws though when necessary. Has a pretty good arm it seems like. Those deep throws last nite were pretty much on the money while he was under pressure, it was just great plays by the DB's. He has a little mobility too. In a footrace I think he outruns Tebow. There's been a hell of a lot worse QB's than Bradford taken high. Alex Smith,Matt Leinart and Vince Young jump to mind right off the bat. Especially Young I never thought had potential to do much at the pro level. He's still young so we'll see but I think he pretty much is what he is. Good runner, bad passer.
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Post by GMGreggor on Jan 9, 2009 20:48:48 GMT -5
Lions need so much I think it would be wise for them to trade down and go for quantity.
They'll be bad enough again next year to go for a QB high if they desierd I think.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jan 9, 2009 20:56:30 GMT -5
Lions need so much I think it would be wise for them to trade down and go for quantity. They'll be bad enough again next year to go for a QB high if they desierd I think. I doubt there'd be that many takers for the the #1 pick
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Post by cjmjones008 on Jan 9, 2009 22:29:52 GMT -5
Also, if you knew anything about Ted Thompson you would think you are a complete idiot. What does this even mean? preseason projections mean very little, so idk why you're bringing up where Harrell was before the season. He might have been #1 on Thompson's board but he was far from the consensus BPA (not just Kiper's, so fuck off) Are you fucking idiot? If you pay any attention at all Thompson never drafts people who are consensus. Our top pick last year was Jordy Nelson. How many people had him as a high 2nd rounder? You can make this case about half of Thompson's first day picks past years. He takes whoever he wants if he thinks they are worth the pick. He builds teams through the draft and this is why the Packers have been the third youngest team 3 years in a row. Also, why the fuck does it matter what other people had on their boards if Ted Thompson was taking THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS BOARD?
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 23:03:06 GMT -5
What does this even mean? preseason projections mean very little, so idk why you're bringing up where Harrell was before the season. He might have been #1 on Thompson's board but he was far from the consensus BPA (not just Kiper's, so fuck off) Are you fucking idiot? If you pay any attention at all Thompson never drafts people who are consensus. Our top pick last year was Jordy Nelson. How many people had him as a high 2nd rounder? You can make this case about half of Thompson's first day picks past years. He takes whoever he wants if he thinks they are worth the pick. He builds teams through the draft and this is why the Packers have been the third youngest team 3 years in a row. Also, why the fuck does it matter what other people had on their boards if Ted Thompson was taking THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS BOARD? not to mention that best player available has to actually be able to fit in their system. not every player will fit with every team.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Jan 9, 2009 23:04:18 GMT -5
3-4 ILB's are basically assigned to stopping the run. That's what makes defenses such as the Steelers work so well - James Farrior is one of the best run-stuffing LB's in the game. So yeah, an ILB in a 3-4 defense really does have to stuff the run for it to be effective. They have to be disciplined, gap-aware players that stay in position at all times. If the ILB's are consistently getting blown off the ball then the defense will just be simply atrocious. With a line that occupies blockers, Vilma would have been able to make more tackles in open space. However 3-4 ILB's often need to be able to get off blocks and Vilma's just not strong enough for that. I know he racked up alot of tackles but I heard he wasn't all that great with the Saints this past year... that injury might've had a huge effect on him. oh his knee is fucked. it will never be 100% and stay healthy. it will get worse as the year goes then recover then get bad quick again. if he had more money he'd probably just hang it up.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Jan 9, 2009 23:46:05 GMT -5
With a line that occupies blockers, Vilma would have been able to make more tackles in open space. However 3-4 ILB's often need to be able to get off blocks and Vilma's just not strong enough for that. I know he racked up alot of tackles but I heard he wasn't all that great with the Saints this past year... that injury might've had a huge effect on him. oh his knee is fucked. it will never be 100% and stay healthy. it will get worse as the year goes then recover then get bad quick again. if he had more money he'd probably just hang it up. knee injuries suck.
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