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Post by DB on Feb 2, 2009 1:32:05 GMT -5
It'll be talked about tomorrow.
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Post by Speed Racer on Feb 2, 2009 1:34:44 GMT -5
Nah. His 100-yard TD will be talked about tomorrow. The TD at the end will be talked about tomorrow.
Refs weren't an issue in this game. I can come up with just as many huge calls going against the Steelers as I could for the Cardinals.
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Feb 2, 2009 2:36:02 GMT -5
I have a gold medallion of me wearing a gold medallion. What can I get for it?
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Post by Steve on Feb 2, 2009 2:37:20 GMT -5
My gold hip replacement!
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Post by Derwin on Feb 2, 2009 2:54:55 GMT -5
I've officially changed my name to Pepsuber.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:11:06 GMT -5
It was unnecessary roughness. They called it. It's that simple. Not really much else to talk about. It was still in the process of the play. Francisco should try to get a little stronger. It was a sick game and I actually don't mind that Pittsburgh won, but you're wasting your time arguing the Harrison play.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:12:10 GMT -5
Hahahahahaha I just watched it a few times on your sig. I cannot believe how pathetic that play was.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:14:13 GMT -5
It was unnecessary roughness. They called it. It's that simple. Not really much else to talk about. It was still in the process of the play. Francisco should try to get a little stronger. It was a sick game and I actually don't mind that Pittsburgh won, but you're wasting your time arguing the Harrison play. that's why I hate people like Maniac... he's overly biased even when he knows he's wrong. Pittsburgh had more calls and non-calls in their favor whether he wants to believe it or not. If anything, the biggest FAILURE was the non-review of the Warner "fumble" at the end. In such a pivotal game why wouldn't that be reviewed? honestly, if that happened to the Steelers Maniac would be crying like a nut. I'm glad to say, when the Bucs won the Superbowl we won in convincing fashion... not thanks to a bunch of bullshit calls.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:16:08 GMT -5
Last year's super bowl > this year's super bowl.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:18:50 GMT -5
I'll disagree... last year's Superbowl was exciting the last 2 minutes.... this year's Superbowl was exciting from the 2nd quarter on
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:27:29 GMT -5
The context of last year's super bowl - 18-0 Pats, Giants kind of sucking at the end of the season until almost beating the Pats in week 17, winning all of the games on the road, bringing incredible on the untouched Brady all year - made it better. I also didn't think yesterday's game was at all sick until I guess Harrison's pick. It kind of sucked for a long time, including after the pick when Pittsburgh went up 20-7. Obviously an awesome game, but not better than last year.
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Post by Speed Racer on Feb 2, 2009 11:29:26 GMT -5
It was a sick game and I actually don't mind that Pittsburgh won, but you're wasting your time arguing the Harrison play. that's why I hate people like Maniac... he's overly biased even when he knows he's wrong. Pittsburgh had more calls and non-calls in their favor whether he wants to believe it or not. If anything, the biggest FAILURE was the non-review of the Warner "fumble" at the end. In such a pivotal game why wouldn't that be reviewed? honestly, if that happened to the Steelers Maniac would be crying like a nut. I'm glad to say, when the Bucs won the Superbowl we won in convincing fashion... not thanks to a bunch of bullshit calls. I'm often overly biased just because it angers some of you so much. However, I can point to a whole lot of calls that were just as questionable. - The holding in the endzone. It just simply wasn't holding. I've heard quite a few people say this exact same thing. Hartwig simply got trucked - that's not holding. It should've never happened and THAT CALL got the Cardinals back in the game. That was the biggest call of the entire game. - Harrison still was mauled the entire game. Polamalu was held a few times without it being called. - I've also heard quite a few media outlets agree that Ben was in the endzone on his bootleg in the first quarter. You could see the shadow underneath his knee on the replay. His knee never touched the ground. That's a four point swing right there and a big momentum killer early on. - What questionable calls were made against Arizona? The roughing-the-QB was iffy, but that will get called most of the time. I don't necessarily agree with the call in that situation. Ben has been hit much later than this throughout this season without a call. However, I can't really think of another questionable call going against the Cardinals. If anything, they had two favorable challenges (I agree that Warner didn't fumble on the second challenge, but it was close). However, why wasn't it intentional grounding on that play? He just basically spiked the ball in front of him. It actually hit off of a lineman. - And why wasn't the last play reviewed? Well, it looked pretty much like a fumble in my opinion. It wouldn't have been overturned. The ball was knocked loose before Warner's throwing motion progressed. Either way, it would've come down to one more play with that being a Hail Mary in the endzone. Anything can happen, but you don't see those completed all that often. The refs were not the deciding factor in this game. Anyone that thinks they were is either an idiot or absolutely biased AGAINST the Steelers. It's sad that people try to taint such a great game with baseless cries against the refs. They were balanced last night with some iffy calls going for and against both sides.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:30:23 GMT -5
that's why I hate people like Maniac... he's overly biased even when he knows he's wrong. Pittsburgh had more calls and non-calls in their favor whether he wants to believe it or not. If anything, the biggest FAILURE was the non-review of the Warner "fumble" at the end. In such a pivotal game why wouldn't that be reviewed? honestly, if that happened to the Steelers Maniac would be crying like a nut. I'm glad to say, when the Bucs won the Superbowl we won in convincing fashion... not thanks to a bunch of bullshit calls. I'm often overly biased just because it angers some of you so much. However, I can point to a whole lot of calls that were just as questionable. - The holding in the endzone. It just simply wasn't holding. I've heard quite a few people say this exact same thing. Hartwig simply got trucked - that's not holding. It should've never happened and THAT CALL got the Cardinals back in the game. That was the biggest call of the entire game. - Harrison still was mauled the entire game. Polamalu was held a few times without it being called. - I've also heard quite a few media outlets agree that Ben was in the endzone on his bootleg in the first quarter. You could see the shadow underneath his knee on the replay. His knee never touched the ground. That's a four point swing right there and a big momentum killer early on. - What questionable calls were made against Arizona? The roughing-the-QB was iffy, but that will get called most of the time. I don't necessarily agree with the call in that situation. Ben has been hit much later than this throughout this season without a call. However, I can't really think of another questionable call going against the Cardinals. If anything, they had two favorable challenges (I agree that Warner didn't fumble on the second challenge, but it was close). However, why wasn't it intentional grounding on that play? He just basically spiked the ball in front of him. It actually hit off of a lineman. - And why wasn't the last play reviewed? Well, it looked pretty much like a fumble in my opinion. It wouldn't have been overturned. The ball was knocked loose before Warner's throwing motion progressed. Either way, it would've come down to one more play with that being a Hail Mary in the endzone. Anything can happen, but you don't see those completed all that often. The refs were not the deciding factor in this game. Anyone that thinks they were is either an idiot or absolutely biased AGAINST the Steelers. It's sad that people try to taint such a great game with baseless cries against the refs. They were balanced last night with some iffy calls going for and against both sides. The ref stuff is getting hugely overblown in this thread. I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
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Post by Speed Racer on Feb 2, 2009 11:31:07 GMT -5
ESPN did a top-10 all-time Super Bowl play's list last night. Larry Fitz's long TD catch was #10. Harrison's INT return was #3. Tyree was #2. Santonio's TD catch was #1. That's pretty impressive.
I think a strong case can be made that this was one of the best, if not the best, Super Bowl's ever. I know I was sick as hell at the end.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:33:19 GMT -5
The context of last year's super bowl - 18-0 Pats, Giants kind of sucking at the end of the season until almost beating the Pats in week 17, winning all of the games on the road, bringing incredible on the untouched Brady all year - made it better. I also didn't think yesterday's game was at all sick until I guess Harrison's pick. It kind of sucked for a long time, including after the pick when Pittsburgh went up 20-7. Obviously an awesome game, but not better than last year. and the context of this year's Superbowl? Kurt Warner from Superbowl MVP, to forgotten man, back to prominence? A 9-7 Cardinals team who no one thought should have been in the playoffs making it to the Superbowl? A terrible Cardinals defense holding the best RBs in the game to an average of 50ypg? A Steelers team with the toughest schedule in the NFL who should have plowed right through the Cardinals team? Larry Fitzgerald showing that he could be one of the best WRs to play in the game? The Steelers defense who have stopped virtually everyone this season allowing Warner to throw for 300+? You're a Giants fan, so of course you're going to say last year's Superbowl was better, but I'd much rather take a 27-23 game than a 17-14 game.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:33:46 GMT -5
ESPN did a top-10 all-time Super Bowl play's list last night. Larry Fitz's long TD catch was #10. Harrison's INT return was #3. Tyree was #2. Santonio's TD catch was #1. That's pretty impressive. I think a strong case can be made that this was one of the best, if not the best, Super Bowl's ever. I know I was sick as hell at the end. We're lucky to be 19 right now. Fucking sick that these two super bowls have been so good.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:34:55 GMT -5
The context of last year's super bowl - 18-0 Pats, Giants kind of sucking at the end of the season until almost beating the Pats in week 17, winning all of the games on the road, bringing incredible on the untouched Brady all year - made it better. I also didn't think yesterday's game was at all sick until I guess Harrison's pick. It kind of sucked for a long time, including after the pick when Pittsburgh went up 20-7. Obviously an awesome game, but not better than last year. and the context of this year's Superbowl? Kurt Warner from Superbowl MVP, to forgotten man, back to prominence? A 9-7 Cardinals team who no one thought should have been in the playoffs making it to the Superbowl? A terrible Cardinals defense holding the best RBs in the game to an average of 50ypg? A Steelers team with the toughest schedule in the NFL who should have plowed right through the Cardinals team? Larry Fitzgerald showing that he could be one of the best WRs to play in the game? The Steelers defense who have stopped virtually everyone this season allowing Warner to throw for 300+? You're a Giants fan, so of course you're going to say last year's Superbowl was better, but I'd much rather take a 27-23 game than a 17-14 game. I don't think anyone has ever accused me of being biased. If anything, I knock my teams. The context you just described isn't nearly as good as the one I gave IMO. It was an incredible game, but your stuff isn't half as interesting as the stuff from last year.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:36:20 GMT -5
no.. I don't care for the Patriots. I think they are a BORING team to watch. I thought last year's Superbowl was boring until the final 4 or 5 minutes.
This year's Superbowl from the Harrison play on was fun to watch, especially with all the tackling and hits going on.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:38:20 GMT -5
ESPN did a top-10 all-time Super Bowl play's list last night. Larry Fitz's long TD catch was #10. Harrison's INT return was #3. Tyree was #2. Santonio's TD catch was #1. That's pretty impressive. I think a strong case can be made that this was one of the best, if not the best, Super Bowl's ever. I know I was sick as hell at the end. and ESPN is a joke with these things... they usually put recent plays at #1 or high in the top 5. It was a great tip-toe play by Santonio Holmes, but that's a play that EVERY NFL WR should be making when you are that wide open.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 2, 2009 11:40:44 GMT -5
Yeah but he made that play on the biggest stage at the biggest moment. That was incredible.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 2, 2009 11:42:48 GMT -5
This year>Last year.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:46:59 GMT -5
- The holding in the endzone. It just simply wasn't holding. I've heard quite a few people say this exact same thing. Hartwig simply got trucked - that's not holding. It should've never happened and THAT CALL got the Cardinals back in the game. That was the biggest call of the entire game. What people, Steelers fans? That was the easiest call all-game long. You can't bring your arm up to a guys neck/head area and expect to get away with it. I forget what player on the Cardinals O-Line got called 2 or 3 times for the same thing, but come on. That was an EASY call and a good call.
- Harrison still was mauled the entire game. Polamalu was held a few times without it being called. OK but then you can do it vice-versa with the Cardinals. If they're going to have non-calls on certain plays why not be consistent with it?
- I've also heard quite a few media outlets agree that Ben was in the endzone on his bootleg in the first quarter. You could see the shadow underneath his knee on the replay. His knee never touched the ground. That's a four point swing right there and a big momentum killer early on. Are you saying his knee was in the endzone? The balls needs to be in the endzone regardless.
- What questionable calls were made against Arizona? The roughing-the-QB was iffy, but that will get called most of the time. I don't necessarily agree with the call in that situation. Ben has been hit much later than this throughout this season without a call. However, I can't really think of another questionable call going against the Cardinals. If anything, they had two favorable challenges (I agree that Warner didn't fumble on the second challenge, but it was close). However, why wasn't it intentional grounding on that play? He just basically spiked the ball in front of him. It actually hit off of a lineman. Um, the roughing the passer? Running into the holder which I've never seen called in my life... he was also stumbling and tripping over himself there was nothing he could do. The two challenges Arizona was forced to use when they were clear plays? Not throwing out Harrison, there's no place for punching in football, ever.? It wasn't intentional grounding same reason why Ben's wasn't he was outside the box. Santonio Holmes using the ball as a prop. Sure, it's a dumb penalty, but it's a rule the NFL has in-stated since last season and they've been calling it alot. So why not call it now? I'm not saying the Cardinals lost because of the Refs, but the Refs sure did have a hand in things and NO one can deny that.
- And why wasn't the last play reviewed? Well, it looked pretty much like a fumble in my opinion. It wouldn't have been overturned. The ball was knocked loose before Warner's throwing motion progressed. Either way, it would've come down to one more play with that being a Hail Mary in the endzone. Anything can happen, but you don't see those completed all that often. So even if it were a fumble, on such a pivotal moment why not review it? What harm would come of that? I think it's not a fumble... to me the ball came out after his forward motion. When you have Larry Fitzgerald on the team... anything can happen.
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Post by easy on Feb 2, 2009 11:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by cjmjones008 on Feb 2, 2009 11:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Feb 2, 2009 11:53:25 GMT -5
Refs blew it
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