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Post by Dave on Feb 5, 2008 18:55:29 GMT -5
This is a terrible idea, Dave. You're taking a rule that is already in place to far. You're whole obsession with tanking is pathetic in my opinion. I think the leagues view that losing in order to build a winner is stupid to. Leave it as it is. A GM will be fired in 2 years anyway, let it happen that way. You can tell who the bad GM's are anyway without checking their record over a 3 week span over 120 days... Also, this rule would be impossible to enforce. Ok everyone lets pretend I didn't suggest the rule because obviously some people can't over look that. No one has stated any factual information to build a case against this. If they failed to make a change over 3 sims and they have a losing record they get a warning if repeated a penalty. Its not that hard to look at a DC thread and standings every 3 days. The percentage of teams will narrow over a course of a season as well. I'm not taking any rules in place into consideration nor did I mention anyone being fired as a result of this. Again I pose the question that everyone fails to address. Do you think its right for a team to make 1 DC or a DC until they start losing and keep it? If you don't what can we do to change it?
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Post by James on Feb 5, 2008 18:59:12 GMT -5
Yes, a team should theoretically change their depth chart if they have 3 losing sims.
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Post by Dave on Feb 5, 2008 19:13:40 GMT -5
Yes, a team should theoretically change their depth chart if they have 3 losing sims. It doesn't have to be 3 sims as that was just a number I came up with. I think teams just cruising through the season not making any changes is a problem. I think this is why Spence is struggling to promote activity because there are so many non active teams tanking. Notice spence has changed the midseason rules to involve everyone, he posts a lot more in daily sims sparking up conversation, and he has suggested speeding up the sim. He is trying to do his part to improve the league and here I am trying to suggest that teams be more active while tanking so they just can't abandon their team and watch them lose(so unrealistic) and I get killed for it. While everyone focuses on me and fails to see the issues I raise. If teams were forced to make changes it would involve more people in the league and create more interest. Jazz- 1 DC change NY- 1 DC Change Pacers- 1 DC Change Warriors- 1 DC Change Minnesota- NO changes
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Feb 5, 2008 20:00:02 GMT -5
I think the contract rule is a good idea, but it might actually promote teams to try and lose to get a try and get a higher draft pick because GM's know they're on a deadline to improve. It might be a bitch to enforce, but it's not a bad idea to start for next year.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 5, 2008 20:29:38 GMT -5
What? We have had a contract rule for a long time. Am I mis-reading your post?
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Feb 5, 2008 20:32:19 GMT -5
I wasn't inferring that it was a new rule. Sorry if it came off that way.
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 5, 2008 20:36:47 GMT -5
Tanking is obviously shady, but there's no need for this kind of rule. If someone looks like they're blatantly tanking and Spence spots it, then he should take necessary action on a case by case basis.
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Post by Dave on Feb 5, 2008 20:58:55 GMT -5
Tanking is obviously shady, but there's no need for this kind of rule. If someone looks like they're blatantly tanking and Spence spots it, then he should take necessary action on a case by case basis. Tiger, Do you think its right for a team to make 1 DC or a DC until they start losing and keep it? If you don't what can we do to change it?
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 5, 2008 22:00:43 GMT -5
Tanking is obviously shady, but there's no need for this kind of rule. If someone looks like they're blatantly tanking and Spence spots it, then he should take necessary action on a case by case basis. Tiger, Do you think its right for a team to make 1 DC or a DC until they start losing and keep it? If you don't what can we do to change it? Well if you get that nit-picky about it then you might have to look at the teams they face with a certain DC. Let's say the DC does well for the first two sims, then not well for the next three sims, but in those three sims the team plays some really good teams. Then in the following sim, the same DC does well again because the teams they faced aren't as good. You can't base it on 3 bad sims = change your DC. If a DC is blatantly shit, and it is obvious that it can be changed for the better, then it should be changed, and Spencer (I'm assuming) monitors it anyway, so it's fine.
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Post by DB on Feb 5, 2008 22:19:05 GMT -5
I think we should just stick with what we have. It does piss me off that guys are not doing much with their teams, especially some who have good rosters to work with, but I think this will be too hard to enforce, or something like this. Besides, next year we will have a lot of firings if they do not pick it up, so its under control.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Feb 5, 2008 22:21:20 GMT -5
^i thought the first possible contract year will be in '04, not '03?
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Post by Outlawz on Feb 5, 2008 23:32:02 GMT -5
It's just too much work krup. Whose going to keep up with that. Teams right now really suck do you really think changes would make a difference? If it was someone like toronto then ok. But i have a defensive big and 2nd round big as my best scorers. I mean what could a team like mine really do dc wise.
Let's be real your bringing this up now because your part of the tanking group. This wouldnt of came up if you were winning. Be honest.
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Post by Dave on Feb 5, 2008 23:36:30 GMT -5
It's just too much work krup. Whose going to keep up with that. Teams right now really suck do you really think changes would make a difference? If it was someone like toronto then ok. But i have a defensive big and 2nd round big as my best scorers. I mean what could a team like mine really do dc wise. Let's be real your bringing this up now because your part of the tanking group. This wouldnt of came up if you were winning. Be honest. what does it have to do with me? I suck, you suck the bottom teams all suck they could mix their dc's up and it wouldn't matter. The 5-13 bottom teams it does make a big difference in some cases because they could win more games but its not ultimately about W/L but it will create more activity also make it more realistic. If things arent working coaches adjust they don't just sit back.
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Post by dj on Feb 5, 2008 23:54:54 GMT -5
It's just too much work krup. Whose going to keep up with that. Teams right now really suck do you really think changes would make a difference? If it was someone like toronto then ok. But i have a defensive big and 2nd round big as my best scorers. I mean what could a team like mine really do dc wise. Let's be real your bringing this up now because your part of the tanking group. This wouldnt of came up if you were winning. Be honest. Excuse you? Ive had plenty of 1-3 sims that have been followed by DC changes... if i was purposely tanking I would have just left the DC alone after a terrible sim... as you would know. The douche is right, there are a number of Gm's who are happy that they are losing at a high rate and because of that, they won't make changes to their DC's for fear of actually winning a few more games. There are some very bad teams out there that will lose a lot no matter what... but GM's could still be trying to find the DC that wins the most. But they don't, because they want to lose as much as possible to get the best lotto pick... it's done on purpose, not by accident. Spin it anyway you want, but that is what's up.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 6, 2008 0:09:14 GMT -5
Nova has lost 19 straight without changing his dc.
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Post by Rocky on Feb 6, 2008 0:09:36 GMT -5
I don't really care that much, but it's funny.
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Post by Funky George! on Feb 6, 2008 0:42:39 GMT -5
It's just too much work krup. Whose going to keep up with that. Teams right now really suck do you really think changes would make a difference? If it was someone like toronto then ok. But i have a defensive big and 2nd round big as my best scorers. I mean what could a team like mine really do dc wise. Let's be real your bringing this up now because your part of the tanking group. This wouldnt of came up if you were winning. Be honest. Excuse you? Ive had plenty of 1-3 sims that have been followed by DC changes... if i was purposely tanking I would have just left the DC alone after a terrible sim... as you would know. The douche is right, there are a number of Gm's who are happy that they are losing at a high rate and because of that, they won't make changes to their DC's for fear of actually winning a few more games. There are some very bad teams out there that will lose a lot no matter what... but GM's could still be trying to find the DC that wins the most. But they don't, because they want to lose as much as possible to get the best lotto pick... it's done on purpose, not by accident. Spin it anyway you want, but that is what's up. You don't realize by now that you're a joke around here?
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Post by Dave on Feb 6, 2008 0:55:17 GMT -5
he is right though haberman and a lot of people here are afraid to admit thats what they do. DJ has at least been known to experiment with DC changes and despite the fact of me hating him I do give him credit for at least that even though he has changed it(in the past) when he has won too.
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Post by dj on Feb 6, 2008 0:57:36 GMT -5
Excuse you? Ive had plenty of 1-3 sims that have been followed by DC changes... if i was purposely tanking I would have just left the DC alone after a terrible sim... as you would know. The douche is right, there are a number of Gm's who are happy that they are losing at a high rate and because of that, they won't make changes to their DC's for fear of actually winning a few more games. There are some very bad teams out there that will lose a lot no matter what... but GM's could still be trying to find the DC that wins the most. But they don't, because they want to lose as much as possible to get the best lotto pick... it's done on purpose, not by accident. Spin it anyway you want, but that is what's up. You don't realize by now that you're a joke around here? Ha, Its a sim league... its something to do. I could care less what a nobody like yourself thinks of me on here.
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Post by DB on Feb 6, 2008 1:37:43 GMT -5
tanking bastards
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Post by Tigertecz on Feb 6, 2008 5:47:53 GMT -5
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Post by jahallstar on Feb 6, 2008 9:44:57 GMT -5
What happens when you have a team that is really shitty and is playing above expectations though? Say my team had nobdy and we were rebulding. In 3 sims I went
2-3 1-2 4-5
II would have to change my DC? I think if you see obvious taking PM it to Spencer and let him deal with it.
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Post by GMGreggor on Feb 6, 2008 10:35:38 GMT -5
I think that's just a case of too many rules honestly. We are all here to have fun. The contract rule takes care of it pretty much, and Spencer watches DC's to make sure guys are'nt playing backups anyway I think.
And, If you do that you'd also have to watch the playoff seedings would'nt you to prevent teams from tanking to avoid playing teams they may not match up with.
It's just kinda overkill to me.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 6, 2008 11:10:44 GMT -5
The anti tanking rule is the contract year. Any DCs that dont make sense I will change, but Im not gonna keep track of losing sims, and make people change their DCs based on losses. Too much work.
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Post by Dave on Feb 6, 2008 12:47:39 GMT -5
The anti tanking rule is the contract year. Any DCs that dont make sense I will change, but Im not gonna keep track of losing sims, and make people change their DCs based on losses. Too much work. what if there was a moderator? Is there something we could create?
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