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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 0:45:55 GMT -5
Plus, hardly any of your thoughts on those teams out West are particularly encouraging. I don't think conference, as it is, will ever turn the corner.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:47:34 GMT -5
If there were better GMs to hire, don't you think I would've done that? I mean bottom line Scott and AllStar need to step up and make some moves. Im pretty happy with Ashes. I mean he could be doing more, but his method makes sense. JB is questionable, no doubt but he has the best chance to be active and good, and at this point its worth the risk. I think making broad statements like "replace inactive Gms with active GMs" is great, but its unrealistic.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:47:43 GMT -5
Plus, hardly any of your thoughts on those teams out West are particularly encouraging. I don't think conference, as it is, will ever turn the corner. Thats a pretty ridiculous statement honestly. The Western Conference will never be better then it is now? K. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 0:48:27 GMT -5
Dad always knows best. What a cock  The East is better, but I mean do we really want to do something as unrealistic as move Phoenix to the Atlantic? I just dont see the point. Maybe Ill run Western Conference teams longer when GMs quit. IDK, I really like how alot of the West clubs looks. Lakers are dominant. Nuggets are very good and have Howard, Conley, Freeman and all their picks. Warriors are kinda at a crossroads, but they have some talent. Jazz are gonna be awesome. Rockets are making a comeback. Maybe only a perennial 500 team but much better then they have been all year. Suns have some nice rebuilding tools and should be a force soon. Mavs are set up well to rebuild if Chris is patient. Grizzlies have made some good and some bad moves. If he stays focused he should be ok. Clippers have a ton of talent. 4 very good players. Wolves have 2 great young players to build around. Spurs have been a disappointment. AllStar needs to step up. Kings are pretty horrible. Scott is definately having troubles. Blazers are tanking well. ;D Sonics are still damn good, and young. Plus, what we'd do wouldn't entail actual cities changing conference. Instead, for example, Scott would take his current roster and become the Nets in the East, and Mark would take his current roster and become the Kings in the West. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:48:45 GMT -5
Its one thing to be proactive its another to be an alarmist.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:49:47 GMT -5
The East is better, but I mean do we really want to do something as unrealistic as move Phoenix to the Atlantic? I just dont see the point. Maybe Ill run Western Conference teams longer when GMs quit. IDK, I really like how alot of the West clubs looks. Lakers are dominant. Nuggets are very good and have Howard, Conley, Freeman and all their picks. Warriors are kinda at a crossroads, but they have some talent. Jazz are gonna be awesome. Rockets are making a comeback. Maybe only a perennial 500 team but much better then they have been all year. Suns have some nice rebuilding tools and should be a force soon. Mavs are set up well to rebuild if Chris is patient. Grizzlies have made some good and some bad moves. If he stays focused he should be ok. Clippers have a ton of talent. 4 very good players. Wolves have 2 great young players to build around. Spurs have been a disappointment. AllStar needs to step up. Kings are pretty horrible. Scott is definately having troubles. Blazers are tanking well. ;D Sonics are still damn good, and young. Plus, what we'd do wouldn't entail actual cities changing conference. Instead, for example, Scott would take his current roster and become the Nets in the East, and Mark would take his current roster and become the Kings in the West. I dont like it. Its destroys natural rivalries that have developed throughout the first past of BBS. No reason to move teams around unless we restart. And there is no reason to restart. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 0:48:16 GMT -5
Plus, hardly any of your thoughts on those teams out West are particularly encouraging. I don't think conference, as it is, will ever turn the corner. Thats a pretty ridiculous statement honestly. The Western Conference will never be better then it is now? K. I didn't say that at all. I just don't think the conference as a whole will ever match the East as it is, and I don't think there's going to be a significant number of quality teams for a long while. I don't think that's ridiculous at all, especially since Dallas and Portland just rebuilt, Golden State is mediocre and headed towards a rebuild, and Seattle just dumped Ivan for picks. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 0:51:36 GMT -5
If there were better GMs to hire, don't you think I would've done that? I mean bottom line Scott and AllStar need to step up and make some moves. Im pretty happy with Ashes. I mean he could be doing more, but his method makes sense. JB is questionable, no doubt but he has the best chance to be active and good, and at this point its worth the risk. I think making broad statements like "replace inactive Gms with active GMs" is great, but its unrealistic. Right, it is. And I'm not unhappy with GMs in particular. I just think the best GMs are all in one conference, for the most part, and the league would benefit if we spread that out. The only one saying the better option is to hire better GMs is Dan, and that's unrealistic, so I think we should at least consider options from within. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:53:49 GMT -5
Thats a pretty ridiculous statement honestly. The Western Conference will never be better then it is now? K. I didn't say that at all. I just don't think the conference as a whole will ever match the East as it is, and I don't think there's going to be a significant number of quality teams for a long while. I don't think that's ridiculous at all, especially since Dallas and Portland just rebuilt, Golden State is mediocre and headed towards a rebuild, and Seattle just dumped Ivan for picks. The West will never match the East as it is now? I guess I dont understand your point. First off, since when do conferences have to be even? In any professional sport are conferences always even? No. Dan just won back to back titles, was the East dominant then? Daves team was awesome. Nanz's team is awesome. IDK, I guess I just dont see the need to make all these drastic changes when in fact this is just cyclical. Will the West ever be as good as the East is now? Probably not, but thats because right now the East is really fucking good. Im not sure the East will be as good as the East is now in the future. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 0:56:56 GMT -5
Funny thing is, Im only really concerned with 3 teams. Boston, Sacramento and San Antonio. I look at teams individually and I dont really care if the leagues are uneven. Like I stated before, if a great GM wants to join Ill try to move him into the West, but it isnt drastic enough for all these crazy changes.
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Post by Skillz on Dec 7, 2008 0:59:13 GMT -5
where has allstar been lately? i've hardly noticed him
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:01:26 GMT -5
Thats the thing. I mean its one thing to be busy, but AllStar has kinda sat on his team. I don't want to start picking on people, but I don't get sitting on your team when they are mediocre. In FBB if you arent winning, you should be losing. I mean there is no reason to be mediocre. Maybe for the purpose of the CY, but overall its pointless.
Don, Scott and AllStar really need to step it up here.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 1:01:32 GMT -5
I didn't say that at all. I just don't think the conference as a whole will ever match the East as it is, and I don't think there's going to be a significant number of quality teams for a long while. I don't think that's ridiculous at all, especially since Dallas and Portland just rebuilt, Golden State is mediocre and headed towards a rebuild, and Seattle just dumped Ivan for picks. The West will never match the East as it is now? I guess I dont understand your point. First off, since when do conferences have to be even? In any professional sport are conferences always even? No. Dan just won back to back titles, was the East dominant then? Daves team was awesome. Nanz's team is awesome. IDK, I guess I just dont see the need to make all these drastic changes when in fact this is just cyclical. Will the West ever be as good as the East is now? Probably not, but thats because right now the East is really fucking good. Im not sure the East will be as good as the East is now in the future. They don't have to be even, but I think there's ridiculous, unusual disparity, and I think it's because some really good WC GMs are gone and their replacements are mostly new and inexperienced, and it's pretty unlikely that they'll accomplish what a guy like Dave or Pig was capable of. I said this to you through PM, but I'll repeat that in breaking down the conferences, it's obvious that there's a glut of active, talented GMs that really are essential to the league in the East--there's like 12 guys, seriously--and the West is full of new guys, less active guys, and less successful guys. I think it sucks that the path to the finals in the West is so much easier than it is in the East, and as far as the need for balance goes, I think that's where it exists. I also think the regular season would be a lot more exciting (by which I mean it'd generate more activity) if there were fights for seeding, home court, and playoff spots in both conferences, and the West right now has a lot of teams just making it by default. I mean, this season alone shouldn't define the argument, but to compare the 7th seeded team in the East to that spot in the West is pretty crazy. What worries me about that is that the East clearly has better, more active GMs and I doubt the West will ever have much depth to its competition in a given season. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be making this argument, but I see Utah as the only team other than LA with any chance to compete with the EC conference teams in the future. It so happens that right now a lot of WC teams are tanking, yeah, but it also so happens that a lot of GMs in the West are less active, less experiences and less talented. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 1:02:58 GMT -5
I like Don. I think he's become a good member of BBS. His situation in Boston isn't awesome, but he's gonna get a lot for his pick when he trades it, and he'll have an exciting run for 40. I like his activity, though.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:04:37 GMT -5
The West will never match the East as it is now? I guess I dont understand your point. First off, since when do conferences have to be even? In any professional sport are conferences always even? No. Dan just won back to back titles, was the East dominant then? Daves team was awesome. Nanz's team is awesome. IDK, I guess I just dont see the need to make all these drastic changes when in fact this is just cyclical. Will the West ever be as good as the East is now? Probably not, but thats because right now the East is really fucking good. Im not sure the East will be as good as the East is now in the future. They don't have to be even, but I think there's ridiculous, unusual disparity, and I think it's because some really good WC GMs are gone and their replacements are mostly new and inexperienced, and it's pretty unlikely that they'll accomplish what a guy like Dave or Pig was capable of. I said this to you through PM, but I'll repeat that in breaking down the conferences, it's obvious that there's a glut of active, talented GMs that really are essential to the league in the East--there's like 12 guys, seriously--and the West is full of new guys, less active guys, and less successful guys. I think it sucks that the path to the finals in the West is so much easier than it is in the East, and as far as the need for balance goes, I think that's where it exists. I also think the regular season would be a lot more exciting (by which I mean it'd generate more activity) if there were fights for seeding, home court, and playoff spots in both conferences, and the West right now has a lot of teams just making it by default. I mean, this season alone shouldn't define the argument, but to compare the 7th seeded team in the East to that spot in the West is pretty crazy. What worries me about that is that the East clearly has better, more active GMs and I doubt the West will ever have much depth to its competition in a given season. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be making this argument, but I see Utah as the only team other than LA with any chance to compete with the EC conference teams in the future. It so happens that right now a lot of WC teams are tanking, yeah, but it also so happens that a lot of GMs in the West are less active, less experiences and less talented. See 2008 NBA Playoff Teams. |
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Post by DB on Dec 7, 2008 1:05:39 GMT -5
ITS SNOWING!!!
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Post by Skillz on Dec 7, 2008 1:06:13 GMT -5
spence, do you think we'll be much worse with diogu rather than elton?
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:06:26 GMT -5
I like Don. I think he's become a good member of BBS. His situation in Boston isn't awesome, but he's gonna get a lot for his pick when he trades it, and he'll have an exciting run for 40. I like his activity, though. He's slightly better, but its because of the CY. I gave him BOS because he did so well at the end with NO. But then he sat on his team for 2 months again. You absolutely need to be proactive here. In other leagues you can tank and then become good. Here you need to tank, draft well and trade a lot to be good. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:06:48 GMT -5
spence, do you think we'll be much worse with diogu rather than elton? I really like Ike. I think youll be fine. |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 1:10:16 GMT -5
BTW, Spence, things worked out with that girl.Yee.
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Post by DB on Dec 7, 2008 1:11:47 GMT -5
If there were better GMs to hire, don't you think I would've done that? I mean bottom line Scott and AllStar need to step up and make some moves. Im pretty happy with Ashes. I mean he could be doing more, but his method makes sense. JB is questionable, no doubt but he has the best chance to be active and good, and at this point its worth the risk. I think making broad statements like "replace inactive Gms with active GMs" is great, but its unrealistic. Right, it is. And I'm not unhappy with GMs in particular. I just think the best GMs are all in one conference, for the most part, and the league would benefit if we spread that out. The only one saying the better option is to hire better GMs is Dan, and that's unrealistic, so I think we should at least consider options from within. I was only stating that as an option to get rid of some of these gms who have been hitting their contract year, making it barely, and then sucking for the next few years. It really sucks, but a few have been doing it lately. If their was a better market for gms out there, I would fire some guys. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:23:23 GMT -5
BTW, Spence, things worked out with that girl.Yee. Congrats! |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:24:33 GMT -5
Right, it is. And I'm not unhappy with GMs in particular. I just think the best GMs are all in one conference, for the most part, and the league would benefit if we spread that out. The only one saying the better option is to hire better GMs is Dan, and that's unrealistic, so I think we should at least consider options from within. I was only stating that as an option to get rid of some of these gms who have been hitting their contract year, making it barely, and then sucking for the next few years. It really sucks, but a few have been doing it lately. If their was a better market for gms out there, I would fire some guys. Honestly, if Don doesnt deliver he probably wont be back. Scott is great, and hes been around for a long time, but Im not sure he has the time to compete anymore. Some of his trades this year were ugly, and Im pretty sure its because hes disconnected. |
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Post by Play on Dec 7, 2008 1:25:36 GMT -5
Bulls to Vegas...Make it happen Spence!
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:26:55 GMT -5
Bulls to Vegas...Make it happen Spence! lol, no. |
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