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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 1:42:56 GMT -5
Hahaha, you know that is irrelevant. We're talking in the here and now Spence! That stuff is weak and you know it! I guess history is irrelevant.  I guess I don't care that guys like Pig and Dave were great in BBS if they're not in the league anymore? It is irrelevant because you brought it up in the context of the "East vs. West debate". The East vs. West debate is based off of current rosters, current GMs, and objectively looking at both conference's futures. It isn't at all about what Dave did, or what Pig did, or what Tiger did, all of which happened in the past and all of which are irrelevant to the future (unless you wanted to say that the West lost their most accomplished GM thus severely weakening them in the future, to which I'd agree). |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 1:43:18 GMT -5
I have an absolutely sick player in Bradley but I don't think I'm going to be able to properly tank with him. I guess it depends on what I do with my cap space this offseason. Aldridge for him. |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 1:46:45 GMT -5
It is nice to know that Sidney's career will be completely wasted as a member of the Hornets and Raptors.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 1:56:48 GMT -5
I guess history is irrelevant. I guess I don't care that guys like Pig and Dave were great in BBS if they're not in the league anymore? It is irrelevant because you brought it up in the context of the "East vs. West debate". The East vs. West debate is based off of current rosters, current GMs, and objectively looking at both conference's futures. It isn't at all about what Dave did, or what Pig did, or what Tiger did, all of which happened in the past and all of which are irrelevant to the future (unless you wanted to say that the West lost their most accomplished GM thus severely weakening them in the future, to which I'd agree). I just think the level of concern is beyond what it needs to be. Is the East better now? Yes. Has it always been better? Possibly, but not to the point that its alarming. Will it be better for the next 5 years? Probably. Will the West dominate thereafter? Possibly. |
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Post by Johnny "B. Good" Stamos on Dec 7, 2008 2:15:33 GMT -5
I better get a lot of work done because i didn't do shit today and yesterday was eh
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Post by Ducky on Dec 7, 2008 3:05:28 GMT -5
I'm 8th seed in the east? LOOOOL
Sure I lost twice to 76ers and Bulls, but I played them once with 2 starters injured.
I'm 1-1 against the Knicks, 2-0 against the Bucks, 1-0 against the Heat and 1-1 against the Nets.
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Post by Skillz on Dec 7, 2008 9:13:33 GMT -5
Ducky, look at your team, it's not very good. Dwight, Fran, Conley (if you even count him), and shit!
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Post by Sheryl Yoast on Dec 7, 2008 11:01:15 GMT -5
No doubt about it the disparity between the leagues is ridiculous, but the leagues weren't terribly far off when Golden State and Dallas were great. I was a 5th seed with Gil/Q/Darko/Yao. Maybe your right but I'd have to see this be the change that will need to be made in order to fix things. I'd want to give our conference's GMs to fix the situation their selves. Yeah, but Dave is gone. And GSW was never great. I don't think their team last year was ever that relevant even if they did win 59 games. I think he was referring to when I lost in consecutive game 7's in the finals. |
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Post by Manitoban Mongler on Dec 7, 2008 11:06:03 GMT -5
Having Skillz come over to the west and scott going to the east will not do anything.
What has to happen is we need to replace some of these cellar dweller gms and get some guys who can put winning teams out on the floor. Right now, that cannot happen because the gm quality on the waiting list is just not that good. So we have to leave things as they are. I do not like moving so many teams and switching their locations up, but I am not the commish. I just hate the idea. So are we in agreement then? That is the whole point of this. There is zero balance whatsoever and it is awful. We're going to wait and hope some stud GM magically appears on the waiting list? What you want is to replace the cellar GM. What we want is to replace the cellar GM. It is the same thing. You recognize the problem. I will mongle the West! |
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Post by Speed Racer on Dec 7, 2008 12:29:17 GMT -5
We suck in the playoffs. 7th in wins, and I'm going to keep on climbing that if my plan works. You're 8th in wins. I'm 7th. |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 12:36:18 GMT -5
I think I missed Dan. Will's 60 win seasons don't hurt that number though.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 12:38:12 GMT -5
I'm 8th seed in the east? LOOOOL Sure I lost twice to 76ers and Bulls, but I played them once with 2 starters injured. I'm 1-1 against the Knicks, 2-0 against the Bucks, 1-0 against the Heat and 1-1 against the Nets. Who didn't you have? I think you had everyone. You're win against me was by 5 in OT in Denver prior to my DJ trade anyway. |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 12:38:37 GMT -5
My bad, you didn't include me in the "injuries" part.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 7, 2008 14:54:10 GMT -5
I'm 8th seed in the east? LOOOOL Sure I lost twice to 76ers and Bulls, but I played them once with 2 starters injured. I'm 1-1 against the Knicks, 2-0 against the Bucks, 1-0 against the Heat and 1-1 against the Nets. Who didn't you have? I think you had everyone. You're win against me was by 5 in OT in Denver prior to my DJ trade anyway. You guys played out of your mind 32 assists to 2 turnovers. That'll never happen again in the history of BBS. The fact is, I'm above .500 against the top 8 seeds in the east and I have a better record than every single one of them. And to call me an 8th seed in the east is bullshit. I'd agree that I'd be a 4 or 5 seed, but 8? give me a break... |
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Post by Ducky on Dec 7, 2008 14:55:52 GMT -5
Ducky, look at your team, it's not very good. Dwight, Fran, Conley (if you even count him), and shit! So what? my team isn't that great on paper, but we have good chemistry and Conley is a much better PG than people give him credit for. A good DC is enough. If I was in the east I'd be doing this all day: sdogbbs.com/BBS2000/boxes/91-2.html |
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 15:00:24 GMT -5
You guys played out of your mind 32 assists to 2 turnovers. That'll never happen again in the history of BBS. The fact is, I'm above .500 against the top 8 seeds in the east and I have a better record than every single one of them. And to call me an 8th seed in the east is bullshit. I'd agree that I'd be a 4 or 5 seed, but 8? give me a break... OK, if you were to compare your lineup to the lineups of the Nets, Hawks, Sixers, Heat, Knicks, Bucks and Bulls, whose lineup do you think your team beats? I'd say Atlanta and nobody else's, but I'd put you as close to NY just because they don't have a deep lineup. |
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Post by Ducky on Dec 7, 2008 15:05:56 GMT -5
You guys played out of your mind 32 assists to 2 turnovers. That'll never happen again in the history of BBS. The fact is, I'm above .500 against the top 8 seeds in the east and I have a better record than every single one of them. And to call me an 8th seed in the east is bullshit. I'd agree that I'd be a 4 or 5 seed, but 8? give me a break... OK, if you were to compare your lineup to the lineups of the Nets, Hawks, Sixers, Heat, Knicks, Bucks and Bulls, whose lineup do you think your team beats? I'd say Atlanta and nobody else's, but I'd put you as close to NY just because they don't have a deep lineup. I don't think my lineup is better, no. Probably worse than the top 8 seeds... But I really think my team would be in the middle of the pack in the east. We run an effective DC. It's very efficient. We outrebound most teams, we shoot a high percentage, and our inside game is dominant. So if we are talking about lineups, mine isn't that good. But SKillz said my team would be the 8th seed if I was in the east which I think is complete BS. |
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Post by Rocky on Dec 7, 2008 15:11:05 GMT -5
This chemistry/DC stuff is a product of your CONFERENCE. You think you have chemistry/a good DC, but the fact is you play the West twice as often as you play the East. That's what is creating this "chemistry/dc" stuff, IMO.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 7, 2008 15:14:44 GMT -5
This chemistry/DC stuff is a product of your CONFERENCE. You think you have chemistry/a good DC, but the fact is you play the West twice as often as you play the East. That's what is creating this "chemistry/dc" stuff, IMO. Eh I guess we won't know... But if you look at my record against top 8 east teams, I'm a bit over .500  That IMO + wins against the lotto east teams would make me a middle seeded team in the East. But I guess we won't really know unless I can make it to the finals to prove myself.. |
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Post by Jay on Dec 7, 2008 15:46:36 GMT -5
I plan on dominating whatever conference I'm in. We can do it from Detroit, Oakland, or Kinshasa for all I care.
I i'z win.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 7, 2008 15:55:07 GMT -5
OK, if you were to compare your lineup to the lineups of the Nets, Hawks, Sixers, Heat, Knicks, Bucks and Bulls, whose lineup do you think your team beats? I'd say Atlanta and nobody else's, but I'd put you as close to NY just because they don't have a deep lineup. I don't think my lineup is better, no. Probably worse than the top 8 seeds... But I really think my team would be in the middle of the pack in the east. We run an effective DC. It's very efficient. We outrebound most teams, we shoot a high percentage, and our inside game is dominant. So if we are talking about lineups, mine isn't that good. But SKillz said my team would be the 8th seed if I was in the east which I think is complete BS. Your argument is fair enough, I'd say. Conley has to be the best pure PG in the league after DJ right now. His A:TO ratio is amazing, and yeah, he's a perfect fit for your system. Your inside scoring/reb is ridiculous. I'd take you in a playoff series over a few of those teams, I'll admit that. However, I think it's hard to say your record would be anywhere near where it is, because you face very weak competition twice as often as EC teams do, and how successful your system looks to be might be a result of that. I don't think it could be decided without a playoff series, but I do think your system might work against teams with more talent. The thing is, that doesn't mean you wouldn't be the sixth or seventh team in the East. Looking at the Nets and Sixers they clearly have more talent than you do, so for them to be where they are over the course of an FBB season, I'd have to think you'd be somewhere around their record if you had a typical EC team's schedule. |
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Post by Spencer on Dec 7, 2008 15:56:33 GMT -5
Big difference between talent and simming well though.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 8, 2008 14:24:08 GMT -5
I don't think my lineup is better, no. Probably worse than the top 8 seeds... But I really think my team would be in the middle of the pack in the east. We run an effective DC. It's very efficient. We outrebound most teams, we shoot a high percentage, and our inside game is dominant. So if we are talking about lineups, mine isn't that good. But SKillz said my team would be the 8th seed if I was in the east which I think is complete BS. Your argument is fair enough, I'd say. Conley has to be the best pure PG in the league after DJ right now. His A:TO ratio is amazing, and yeah, he's a perfect fit for your system. Your inside scoring/reb is ridiculous. I'd take you in a playoff series over a few of those teams, I'll admit that. However, I think it's hard to say your record would be anywhere near where it is, because you face very weak competition twice as often as EC teams do, and how successful your system looks to be might be a result of that. I don't think it could be decided without a playoff series, but I do think your system might work against teams with more talent. The thing is, that doesn't mean you wouldn't be the sixth or seventh team in the East. Looking at the Nets and Sixers they clearly have more talent than you do, so for them to be where they are over the course of an FBB season, I'd have to think you'd be somewhere around their record if you had a typical EC team's schedule. Perhaps. A lot of this is just speculation though. There's really no way to tell how I'd fare against East competition unless I was moved to the east. Either way though, it doesn't really matter. It would be nice to make it to the finals though ot prove I am better than whoever makes it for the east. |
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Post by Play on Dec 8, 2008 14:48:20 GMT -5
Your argument is fair enough, I'd say. Conley has to be the best pure PG in the league after DJ right now. His A:TO ratio is amazing, and yeah, he's a perfect fit for your system. Your inside scoring/reb is ridiculous. I'd take you in a playoff series over a few of those teams, I'll admit that. However, I think it's hard to say your record would be anywhere near where it is, because you face very weak competition twice as often as EC teams do, and how successful your system looks to be might be a result of that. I don't think it could be decided without a playoff series, but I do think your system might work against teams with more talent. The thing is, that doesn't mean you wouldn't be the sixth or seventh team in the East. Looking at the Nets and Sixers they clearly have more talent than you do, so for them to be where they are over the course of an FBB season, I'd have to think you'd be somewhere around their record if you had a typical EC team's schedule. Perhaps. A lot of this is just speculation though. There's really no way to tell how I'd fare against East competition unless I was moved to the east. Either way though, it doesn't really matter. It would be nice to make it to the finals though ot prove I am better than whoever makes it for the east. lol |
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Post by Ducky on Dec 8, 2008 14:53:21 GMT -5
Perhaps. A lot of this is just speculation though. There's really no way to tell how I'd fare against East competition unless I was moved to the east. Either way though, it doesn't really matter. It would be nice to make it to the finals though ot prove I am better than whoever makes it for the east. lol play ur team sucks, stfu. |
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That IMO + wins against the lotto east teams would make me a middle seeded team in the East.
