The Anti-Retro Group

[easy]

Dec 11, 2008 14:03:17 GMT -5 Funky George! said:

Dec 11, 2008 13:50:09 GMT -5 aar said:

Yes, but the 2012 draft was all original players and most of the 2015 draft were FBB prospects

It wasn't more active. That's the only moot point there.

I looked the majority of the posts were numerous posts by Spencer and or nothing to do with the player's draft profile, so just because a handful of people spammed the 2015 draft forum, I don't buy that "it created the most activity" arguement.

[Jay]

Realism has nothing to do with it. Once you pass a year in a sim league, you're not getting realistic results. Period, end of story.

I don't like the Retro idea because it's not original, yet everyone seems to do it. It generates interest off of names, but if they aren't going to be like they were in real life, they are just a name. So what's the difference between Michael Jordan and Chris Williams? A name?

[Funky George!]

Dec 11, 2008 14:09:01 GMT -5 @easy said:

Dec 11, 2008 14:03:17 GMT -5 Funky George! said:

It wasn't more active. That's the only moot point there.

I looked the majority of the posts were numerous posts by Spencer and or nothing to do with the player's draft profile, so just because a handful of people spammed the 2015 draft forum, I don't buy that "it created the most activity" arguement.

It's one thing to argue for retro. It's another to be completely beyond full of shit. The 15 forum's profiles are loaded with commentary. The most any player from 2012 had was 13. Five guys from 2015 had 13 or more. I'm sorry, you're right, it didn't create the most activity. Good point there. Really, do you insist on being full of shit? What is it with you? You don't like what we're doing now, that's fine, but at least acknowledge a fucking point of making shit up.

[Skillz]

Absolutely hate retro

i think fake story lines with fake players is much more interesting

[Apollo]

Dec 11, 2008 14:13:05 GMT -5 Jay said:

Realism has nothing to do with it. Once you pass a year in a sim league, you're not getting realistic results. Period, end of story.

I don't like the Retro idea because it's not original, yet everyone seems to do it. It generates interest off of names, but if they aren't going to be like they were in real life, they are just a name. So what's the difference between Michael Jordan and Chris Williams? A name?

Actually, the difference is pre-determination, whether people supporting retro will admit or not. That's why I hate "going retro". Sure a roleplayer back in the 70s might end up better than he really was, but don't tell me the big names won't be amazing. Don't tell me Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon, Karl Malone, John Stockton, George Gervin, Julius Erving, etc. won't be great players. I'd love to see Michael Jordan bust if you want "realism".

What we are currently doing is unique, avoids pre-determination, and keeps up activity. Why change it? I don't get it. And I don't see how real players from the 60s, 70s, and 80s can have more or better storylines than a fictional character. Oh, Len Bias lives, what an original concept. I mean, sure you can take their stories and tweak them, make them more fun, but how could you ever trump fiction?

No to retro, please.

[aar]

Dec 11, 2008 14:51:30 GMT -5 Skillz said:

Absolutely hate retro

i think fake story lines with fake players is much more interesting

It's also more imaginative.

Plus Spencer gets to control their destinies, which adds a ton of intrigue.

[DB]

Before this season I would of said at some point we need to go to retro. I like retro, I think it is a new dynamic to a league and can be a lot of fun..

But after experiencing this past draft and the profiles, I really like fake players. The unique story lines, ratings and all is really interesting and fun. Spencer can do whatever he wants to them potential wise and they can have some interesting strings attach if you draft them. It is just a whole new aspect to the league.

I say we keep going with fake players. The only problem with fake players is that after 15-20 seasons the whole league will be made up of fake players. Any NEW gm that comes into the league taking on a team will be at a huge disadvantage and probably not that incline to join because of how far we are and how nothing is familiar to them. I guess that comes with any league though so far in the future.

[DB]

Dec 11, 2008 13:09:43 GMT -5 Rocky said:

Someone needs to create Jackie Moon!

that would be sick.

[Rocky]

I'd draft Jack Moon in the lottery no doubt. Shit fucking sandwich!

[Speed Racer]

Dec 11, 2008 16:51:49 GMT -5 DB said:

Before this season I would of said at some point we need to go to retro. I like retro, I think it is a new dynamic to a league and can be a lot of fun..

But after experiencing this past draft and the profiles, I really like fake players. The unique story lines, ratings and all is really interesting and fun. Spencer can do whatever he wants to them potential wise and they can have some interesting strings attach if you draft them. It is just a whole new aspect to the league.

I say we keep going with fake players. The only problem with fake players is that after 15-20 seasons the whole league will be made up of fake players. Any NEW gm that comes into the league taking on a team will be at a huge disadvantage and probably not that incline to join because of how far we are and how nothing is familiar to them. I guess that comes with any league though so far in the future.

Yeah, while I don't disagree with you on that last point I've certainly never understood it. In my opinion, any good GM would have no trouble grasping a league fairly quickly whether it's all real or fake players. It's not that damn hard to figure out - the guy with good ratings scoring 27 PPG is a damn good player whether his name is Ralph House or Reggie Miller. I don't see the disadvantage - any GM with a brain can figure out which players carry more value, whether the league is inflated or not, how much role players are valued, etc.

[Funky George!]

Dec 11, 2008 16:56:10 GMT -5 Rocky said:

I'd draft Jack Moon in the lottery no doubt. Shit fucking sandwich![/quote

Bill Hoyle. Almost PM'd you about that.

[Rocky]

Dec 11, 2008 16:56:13 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Dec 11, 2008 16:51:49 GMT -5 DB said:

Before this season I would of said at some point we need to go to retro. I like retro, I think it is a new dynamic to a league and can be a lot of fun..

But after experiencing this past draft and the profiles, I really like fake players. The unique story lines, ratings and all is really interesting and fun. Spencer can do whatever he wants to them potential wise and they can have some interesting strings attach if you draft them. It is just a whole new aspect to the league.

I say we keep going with fake players. The only problem with fake players is that after 15-20 seasons the whole league will be made up of fake players. Any NEW gm that comes into the league taking on a team will be at a huge disadvantage and probably not that incline to join because of how far we are and how nothing is familiar to them. I guess that comes with any league though so far in the future.

Yeah, while I don't disagree with you on that last point I've certainly never understood it. In my opinion, any good GM would have no trouble grasping a league fairly quickly whether it's all real or fake players. It's not that damn hard to figure out - the guy with good ratings scoring 27 PPG is a damn good player whether his name is Ralph House or Reggie Miller. I don't see the disadvantage - any GM with a brain can figure out which players carry more value, whether the league is inflated or not, how much role players are valued, etc.

Yup, agreed. It is definitely easier to figure a league out if you know it is Reggie Miller and not Ralph House who is randomly simming well, but how hard is it to figure it out? You'd have to be an idiot to mess that up.

[GMGreggor]

Dec 11, 2008 14:51:30 GMT -5 Skillz said:

Absolutely hate retro

i think fake story lines with fake players is much more interesting

Dont know if I hate retro but I prefer fakes too.

[Rocky]

Dec 11, 2008 16:58:08 GMT -5 Funky George! said:

Dec 11, 2008 16:56:10 GMT -5 Rocky said:

I'd draft Jack Moon in the lottery no doubt. Shit fucking sandwich![/quote

Bill Hoyle. Almost PM'd you about that.

Hahahaha yeeee that's sick

[DB]

Dec 11, 2008 16:56:13 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Dec 11, 2008 16:51:49 GMT -5 DB said:

Before this season I would of said at some point we need to go to retro. I like retro, I think it is a new dynamic to a league and can be a lot of fun..

But after experiencing this past draft and the profiles, I really like fake players. The unique story lines, ratings and all is really interesting and fun. Spencer can do whatever he wants to them potential wise and they can have some interesting strings attach if you draft them. It is just a whole new aspect to the league.

I say we keep going with fake players. The only problem with fake players is that after 15-20 seasons the whole league will be made up of fake players. Any NEW gm that comes into the league taking on a team will be at a huge disadvantage and probably not that incline to join because of how far we are and how nothing is familiar to them. I guess that comes with any league though so far in the future.

Yeah, while I don't disagree with you on that last point I've certainly never understood it. In my opinion, any good GM would have no trouble grasping a league fairly quickly whether it's all real or fake players. It's not that damn hard to figure out - the guy with good ratings scoring 27 PPG is a damn good player whether his name is Ralph House or Reggie Miller. I don't see the disadvantage - any GM with a brain can figure out which players carry more value, whether the league is inflated or not, how much role players are valued, etc.

I feel the same way, but after being in UOSL2 and other leagues people say they do not want to join because of how far a league is and how old or different the players names are, etc. Weird reasons but I guess gms like to draft teams from guys playing today in a brand new league and quit after they all retire. I dont know.

The point is a lot of people say they wont join because of those reasons and that is something to consider when/if people quit or get fired. I am sure if the league is going strong we will have no problem getting gms, I just have experienced this with a few other leagues.

[Speed Racer]

Dec 11, 2008 17:00:40 GMT -5 DB said:

Dec 11, 2008 16:56:13 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Yeah, while I don't disagree with you on that last point I've certainly never understood it. In my opinion, any good GM would have no trouble grasping a league fairly quickly whether it's all real or fake players. It's not that damn hard to figure out - the guy with good ratings scoring 27 PPG is a damn good player whether his name is Ralph House or Reggie Miller. I don't see the disadvantage - any GM with a brain can figure out which players carry more value, whether the league is inflated or not, how much role players are valued, etc.

I feel the same way, but after being in UOSL2 and other leagues people say they do not want to join because of how far a league is and how old or different the players names are, etc. Weird reasons but I guess gms like to draft teams from guys playing today in a brand new league and quit after they all retire. I dont know.

The point is a lot of people say they wont join because of those reasons and that is something to consider when/if people quit or get fired. I am sure if the league is going strong we will have no problem getting gms, I just have experienced this with a few other leagues.

Like I said, I know you're right but I just never understood it.

[DB]

yeee, thats the truth.

[Ducky]

fake players >>> retro.

Retro is retarded. If you want to do retro, restart the league and start in like 1980 or something.

[Ducky]

hey maniac, gimme ur 2016 1st.

[Outlawz]

Dec 11, 2008 13:23:21 GMT -5 Speed Racer said:

Dec 11, 2008 13:20:29 GMT -5 @easy said:

You're taking bits and pieces of what I'm saying. Go back to my very first post. While I did say it is a bit unrealistic but it's MORE realistic than creating fake players I can't relate to. I would LOVE to have Len Bias on my team dominating because I knew of his life.

We can make storylines with buy-outs and maybe even have story lines of people dying on draft night. Imagine you drafted a "Len Bias" with the #1 pick or whatever and he died? I think that would be an awesome concept to have in this league but I'm pretty sure it'd get shot down quick.

That's a brilliant idea. Who doesn't love uncontrollable, unfair disadvantages placed on a franchise for absolutely no reason? Sounds like fun.

LOL!!!

Love the sarcasm.

I personally like retro players but i think it would be cool to maybe implement both since guys are split on it. Made up players coupled with retro would be unique in a sense

I think everyone is making good points though. Reading through the thread i agree with some of the things maniac, chris, mark, etc are saying. I love the guys mark was mentioning like Jesus Shuttlesworth etc.

Can go either way and i wouldnt mind. A hybrid of both ideas would please everyone tho. Not sure how viable it would be tho

[Captain Fantasy]

sorry. I love retro. Whats more intriging than wondering if the mailman is gonna bust or if a role player like steve kerr can become a stud and win ROY? it's bad ass.... but then again i'm a sucker for the older days of basketball. I love making a team of my favorite great and role players.


But i do like the fake players until then. I couldnt take ten more years of it cuz i sure it would get old but i like it for now.....


the one fake player i'm looking forward to seeing in this league is

Teddy Brodus from NBCs Hangtime

nothing cooler than a 300+ pound pg who can shoot the three. lol





it was like saved by the bell meets the basketball team....and even though it was kinda lame i loved it

[Speed Racer]

Retro blows.

[JBJB2FK]

I say mix it a little Keep it the way it is and add like one or two retro guys a year into the draft
But make some surprised like M.Jordan a bust while ...Jack Haley turns out to be a beast

[Rocky]

fbb2.proboards53.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=biggiebrooks23

So strange.

[aar]

Can we PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, not create players that are based on movie, TV characters or GMs in this league? That kind of shit infuriates me.