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Post by Speed Racer on Dec 11, 2008 12:55:53 GMT -5
Spence said I can start a discussion about the league going retro in 2020. I don't like it - I like seeing unique, random players become good in leagues that last a really long time. It's much more fun to me than seeing Michael Jordan or Wilt dominate a league in 2027.
I'm making myself the founder of the Anti-Retro Group. I know some of you are in favor of it, but that's what we are here to discuss. I'm in favor of going with completely random draft files - maybe continue something where a group of GM's creates prospects for each draft? It makes for some unique players and lessens the burden on Spence.
Anything but retro! Join the Anti-Retro Group!
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 12:59:42 GMT -5
I don't see what the problem is with retro.
Spencer already stated that not everyone who was or wasn't a star will be emulated the same way with ratings.
So that means someone like Bo Kimble could be the best PF in BBS history.
Making fake players detracts from the "realism" of this league. While, yeah sure, retro isn't "realistic" in many ways... but it's more realistic than let's say "Duck Young Bak" or something like that. The idea of going retro is the same as creating "fake players" in my honest opinion because Spencer has already stated numerous times that not everyone is going to be emulated ratings wise to what they once were.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:00:09 GMT -5
I like what we're doing right now and I think we should do it for the duration of the league. I love making our own files, and this past class was really the most hands-on and interesting class yet. I think we should stick with it.
I've never had an awesome experience with retro. It's fine, and I won't object to it. But I'd rather stick with what we're doing now.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:01:47 GMT -5
I don't see what the problem is with retro. Spencer already stated that not everyone who was or wasn't a star will be emulated the same way with ratings. So that means someone like Bo Kimble could be the best PF in BBS history. Making fake players detracts from the "realism" of this league. While, yeah sure, retro isn't "realistic" in many ways... but it's more realistic than let's say "Duck Young Bak" or something like that. The idea of going retro is the same as creating "fake players" in my honest opinion because Spencer has already stated numerous times that not everyone is going to be emulated ratings wise to what they once were. A name doesn't make anything more realistic. There's nothing realistic about Bo Kimble being in, say, the 2024 draft class. It's more realistic to have fake guys, in fact, and it's more interesting.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:02:18 GMT -5
I think what we have now inspires creativity. More unique players, story lines, and names. I love that shit.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 11, 2008 13:03:23 GMT -5
I prefer retro. I don't really want to have an entirely fake league which will eventually happen if we continue with these draft classes. It's a cool stop-gap until we get to retro but IDK if I'd want to be building my team around guys that are made up.
That said, I don't REALLY care. Whatever everyone wants to do. If we do things like Billy Hoyle every draft class then that would be sick. Create the characters from Blue Chips, I forget what their movie names were. That type of thing is sick. Shaq's character could be absurd.
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Post by Speed Racer on Dec 11, 2008 13:04:36 GMT -5
I'd much rather look back on BBS and think about guys like Duck Young-Bak dominating the league instead of some random 68 year old that played for the Spurs in 1973.
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:05:00 GMT -5
I prefer retro. I don't really want to have an entirely fake league which will eventually happen if we continue with these draft classes. It's a cool stop-gap until we get to retro but IDK if I'd want to be building my team around guys that are made up. That said, I don't REALLY care. Whatever everyone wants to do. If we do things like Billy Hoyle every draft class then that would be sick. Create the characters from Blue Chips, I forget what their movie names were. That type of thing is sick. Shaq's character could be absurd. Exactly. I also think we run the risk of overinflation of ratings... this draft and last seemed pretty stacked ratings wise. I don't know how Spencer is controlling that, but, I just think the last two draft classes were ridiculous stacked.
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:05:30 GMT -5
I'd much rather look back on BBS and think about guys like Duck Young-Bak dominating the league instead of some random 68 year old that played for the Spurs in 1973. Two weeks ago you were quitting the league, so your opinions in essence, shouldn't really matter.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:05:34 GMT -5
I prefer retro. I don't really want to have an entirely fake league which will eventually happen if we continue with these draft classes. It's a cool stop-gap until we get to retro but IDK if I'd want to be building my team around guys that are made up. That said, I don't REALLY care. Whatever everyone wants to do. If we do things like Billy Hoyle every draft class then that would be sick. Create the characters from Blue Chips, I forget what their movie names were. That type of thing is sick. Shaq's character could be absurd. There are opportunities to do all kinds of things like this. He didn't get any attention, but Glen Rice Jr. was a cool idea too. So was the $10 million buyout on Bak. I'm already hoping to do players for next year's class and have some pretty cool ideas.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:06:24 GMT -5
I'd much rather look back on BBS and think about guys like Duck Young-Bak dominating the league instead of some random 68 year old that played for the Spurs in 1973. Two weeks ago you were quitting the league, so your opinions in essence, shouldn't really matter. Two weeks ago you weren't in the league!
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:07:26 GMT -5
I prefer retro. I don't really want to have an entirely fake league which will eventually happen if we continue with these draft classes. It's a cool stop-gap until we get to retro but IDK if I'd want to be building my team around guys that are made up. That said, I don't REALLY care. Whatever everyone wants to do. If we do things like Billy Hoyle every draft class then that would be sick. Create the characters from Blue Chips, I forget what their movie names were. That type of thing is sick. Shaq's character could be absurd. Exactly. I also think we run the risk of overinflation of ratings... this draft and last seemed pretty stacked ratings wise. I don't know how Spencer is controlling that, but, I just think the last two draft classes were ridiculous stacked. How you could think that is beyond me. This current file, Spence has said, isn't as good as it looks, and the last year's class was average at best. It was actually subpar.
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:08:04 GMT -5
I prefer retro. I don't really want to have an entirely fake league which will eventually happen if we continue with these draft classes. It's a cool stop-gap until we get to retro but IDK if I'd want to be building my team around guys that are made up. That said, I don't REALLY care. Whatever everyone wants to do. If we do things like Billy Hoyle every draft class then that would be sick. Create the characters from Blue Chips, I forget what their movie names were. That type of thing is sick. Shaq's character could be absurd. There are opportunities to do all kinds of things like this. He didn't get any attention, but Glen Rice Jr. was a cool idea too. So was the $10 million buyout on Bak. I'm already hoping to do players for next year's class and have some pretty cool ideas. and there isn't with retro players? Imagine Arvidas Sabonis if he were able to come into the league when he was 23? Or Bobby Hurley didn't get into a car accident? There are SO many more opportunities to add to story-lines to REAL players. What if Len Bias never died? Reggie Lewis? etc. I mean, I don't see what the problem is? We can still have 4-5 guys making draft profiles on retro players and adding any storyline they feel fit. Though, a $10,000,000 buy out clause on a Korean player? That is unrealistic.
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Post by aar on Dec 11, 2008 13:08:28 GMT -5
I like what we're currently doing.
Having us create cool draftees and using the FBB draft list could extend this league to 2030 or 2040 if people remain as active as they have been.
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:09:08 GMT -5
Exactly. I also think we run the risk of overinflation of ratings... this draft and last seemed pretty stacked ratings wise. I don't know how Spencer is controlling that, but, I just think the last two draft classes were ridiculous stacked. How you could think that is beyond me. This current file, Spence has said, isn't as good as it looks, and the last year's class was average at best. It was actually subpar. Dunagan is As all over in his 1st season.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 11, 2008 13:09:43 GMT -5
Someone needs to create Jackie Moon!
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:10:28 GMT -5
or World B. Free
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Post by Rocky on Dec 11, 2008 13:10:55 GMT -5
How you could think that is beyond me. This current file, Spence has said, isn't as good as it looks, and the last year's class was average at best. It was actually subpar. Dunagan is As all over in his 1st season. That was the stupid FBB class though, wasn't it?
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:11:21 GMT -5
Dunagan is As all over in his 1st season. That was the stupid FBB class though, wasn't it? that was last seasons? Unless I'm wrong
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Post by Speed Racer on Dec 11, 2008 13:11:34 GMT -5
There are opportunities to do all kinds of things like this. He didn't get any attention, but Glen Rice Jr. was a cool idea too. So was the $10 million buyout on Bak. I'm already hoping to do players for next year's class and have some pretty cool ideas. and there isn't with retro players? Imagine Arvidas Sabonis if he were able to come into the league when he was 23? Or Bobby Hurley didn't get into a car accident? There are SO many more opportunities to add to story-lines to REAL players. What if Len Bias never died? Reggie Lewis? etc. I mean, I don't see what the problem is? We can still have 4-5 guys making draft profiles on retro players and adding any storyline they feel fit. Though, a $10,000,000 buy out clause on a Korean player? That is unrealistic. A dead player tearing up the league ISN'T unrealistic though? Hahaha.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:11:52 GMT -5
There are opportunities to do all kinds of things like this. He didn't get any attention, but Glen Rice Jr. was a cool idea too. So was the $10 million buyout on Bak. I'm already hoping to do players for next year's class and have some pretty cool ideas. and there isn't with retro players? Imagine Arvidas Sabonis if he were able to come into the league when he was 23? Or Bobby Hurley didn't get into a car accident? There are SO many more opportunities to add to story-lines to REAL players. What if Len Bias never died? Reggie Lewis? etc. I mean, I don't see what the problem is? We can still have 4-5 guys making draft profiles on retro players and adding any storyline they feel fit. Though, a $10,000,000 buy out clause on a Korean player? That is unrealistic.That's not unrealistic, Martinez. It's completely realistic. $10 mm is a high number, but that's the only borderline unrealistic part about it. And I don't care about being realistic. Nobody here does. You want to keep ratings realistic, and salaries realistic, but beyond that, who cares? That's not a legitimate argument in a sim league. If you're not going to admit there's a lot more opportunity to create unique cases, story lines, unknowns by doing what we're doing now than there is with retro, there is no point to this argument. It's a waste of time. You know retro can't offer those things. We know the names and their careers, and that limits the creativity and appeal a ton.
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Post by Funky George! on Dec 11, 2008 13:12:57 GMT -5
That was the stupid FBB class though, wasn't it? that was last seasons? Unless I'm wrong That was the college league's file, and it was a shitty one.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 11, 2008 13:13:03 GMT -5
Jesus Shuttlesworth, William Gates/Arthur Agee would be SO SICK.
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Post by easy on Dec 11, 2008 13:13:41 GMT -5
and there isn't with retro players? Imagine Arvidas Sabonis if he were able to come into the league when he was 23? Or Bobby Hurley didn't get into a car accident? There are SO many more opportunities to add to story-lines to REAL players. What if Len Bias never died? Reggie Lewis? etc. I mean, I don't see what the problem is? We can still have 4-5 guys making draft profiles on retro players and adding any storyline they feel fit. Though, a $10,000,000 buy out clause on a Korean player? That is unrealistic. A dead player tearing up the league ISN'T unrealistic though? Hahaha. That makes absolutely no sense. If we go retro, depending on what year we start at, the majority of the people will be dead, so what's your point? The realism comes in the name, and the ability to in someway "relate" to the person you're drafting or at least have some background. The story-lines are limitless and for me, I'd much rather enjoy drafting someone I knew existed instead of someone fake.
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Post by Rocky on Dec 11, 2008 13:14:10 GMT -5
I've never seen Basketball Diaries, is it good?
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