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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 11:40:37 GMT -5
finally! 31-84? and he last this long?
Bill Cowher anyone?
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Post by Rocky on Sept 24, 2008 11:42:07 GMT -5
Hahaha damn, the end of an era! I can't believe it's over.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 11:43:26 GMT -5
worst franchise in sports?
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Post by youngstabullz on Sept 24, 2008 11:53:35 GMT -5
worst franchise in sports? Raiders or the Pirates would disagree.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 11:57:40 GMT -5
worst franchise in sports? Raiders or the Pirates would disagree. Raiders made it to the Superbowl in 2003(BUCS BABY!)
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Post by Funky George! on Sept 24, 2008 11:57:56 GMT -5
worst franchise in sports? Raiders or the Pirates would disagree. Raiders?
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 12:00:18 GMT -5
Raiders or the Pirates would disagree. Raiders? he's to young to remember the Rich Gannon days.
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Post by youngstabullz on Sept 24, 2008 12:05:24 GMT -5
I remember the Rich Gannon days.
Just, remember that the last 5 seasons they have been horribad.
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 24, 2008 12:09:30 GMT -5
The Pirates are the worst franchise in sports. Easily. Also, Bill Cowher? If he does ever come back I'd imagine it'll be to coach - not GM a shithole franchise like the Lions.
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Post by AllStar0608 on Sept 24, 2008 12:24:19 GMT -5
The Pirates are the worst franchise in sports. Easily. Also, Bill Cowher? If he does ever come back I'd imagine it'll be to coach - not GM a shithole franchise like the Lions.i agree. but i think he would GM for Carolina but thats where he wants to live.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 12:37:57 GMT -5
The Pirates are the worst franchise in sports. Easily. Also, Bill Cowher? If he does ever come back I'd imagine it'll be to coach - not GM a shithole franchise like the Lions. I never said as a GM, I'm just saying he's probably going to go to the Lions.
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Post by GP on Sept 24, 2008 12:42:13 GMT -5
It's about fuckin time. Who takes 3 WRs in a row in consecutive drafts? Matt Millen does.
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Post by GMGreggor on Sept 24, 2008 12:56:45 GMT -5
Yea, gotta say even though I'm not a Lions fan glad to see this.
Millen sucks, I understand you want to let a GM have time to develop his type team but damn.
How he lasted after drafting Mike Williams in the first rd is a mystery.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Sept 24, 2008 13:49:42 GMT -5
The Lions have done a piss poor job at drafting, especially on the defensive side on the ball. Ernie Sims and Cory Redding were good picks but that's about it.
I highly doubt that Cowher goes to Detroit, even if they give him personnel responsibilities. I don't think he comes back unless it's an ideal situation where he doesn't have to completely rebuild a team.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 13:54:45 GMT -5
The Lions have done a piss poor job at drafting, especially on the defensive side on the ball. Ernie Sims and Cory Redding were good picks but that's about it. I highly doubt that Cowher goes to Detroit, even if they give him personnel responsibilities. I don't think he comes back unless it's an ideal situation where he doesn't have to completely rebuild a team. The Lions are not a terrible team by any stretch. Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson(what a monster) are one of the best WR tandems in the leagues. Kevin Smith looks like he's going to be a solid back. For the most part their O-Line is not atrocious. They could use a QB, I think Kitna is solid, but he's not a good QB. A great back-up, but not a starter. Their defense could use an overhaul sure, but I don't think the Lions are that bad defensively. I just can't believe the Lions are 0-3. It's not that bad of a situation if you think about it, they've got solid pieces in alot of positions.
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Post by Phoenix Phil on Sept 24, 2008 14:06:46 GMT -5
Their offensive line is pretty bad, not sure how you can defend them. Terrible in pass-protection, and they haven't had a solid running game in years.
The defense has some vets to plug up holes but really there's not a ton to build around besides Sims. There's no semblance of a pass-rush, and they can't stop the run..
They've got great players at the skill positions but that doesn't mean much when you're offensive line is shit and your defense can't get off the field. Same problem the Rams have.
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Post by duceisinmyheart on Sept 24, 2008 14:10:20 GMT -5
Their offensive line is pretty bad, not sure how you can defend them. Terrible in pass-protection, and they haven't had a solid running game in years. The defense has some vets to plug up holes but really there's not a ton to build around besides Sims. There's no semblance of a pass-rush, and they can't stop the run.. They've got great players at the skill positions but that doesn't mean much when you're offensive line is shit and your defense can't get off the field. Same problem the Rams have. Well I disagree. The o-line is actually very good with the running game. St. Louis' o-line is atrocious but come on? As bad as Detroit’s? If that’s the case do you finally agree that Cleveland’s O-Line is bad too then? You kind of got on me saying that Cleveland had a pretty good o-line. Kitna has one of the slowest releases in the NFL and tends to sit in the pocket way to long. He's kind of David Carr-esque where they have not mastered the art of "throwing it away" when there's nothing their Their defense does need an overhaul, I agree, but like you said it's not the worst line-up out there.
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Post by Ducky on Sept 24, 2008 16:10:53 GMT -5
he killed joey... poor guy.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Sept 24, 2008 16:26:53 GMT -5
playing for Jeff Tedford, not being mobile at all, and being somewhat overrated in college didnt help Harrington
he would have never been better than average
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Post by Ducky on Sept 24, 2008 16:30:57 GMT -5
playing for Jeff Tedford, not being mobile at all, and being somewhat overrated in college didnt help Harrington he would have never been better than average You do know he rushed for 18 TDs in college, right? Certainly he's not the fastest QB out there, but what about guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco who are supposed to be good QBs in this draft.. They are slower than Joey, yet we expect them to turn out to be good QBs, right? Joey was in a bad situation, and I think he let it get to him and failed miserably everywhere else he went. Maybe he was a bit over-hyped in College though..
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Post by Play on Sept 24, 2008 16:35:11 GMT -5
worst gm ever
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Post by cjmjones008 on Sept 24, 2008 16:35:17 GMT -5
yes i know he rushed for 18tds and 210 yards
dont try and make him sound fast... he had average at best speed
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Post by cjmjones008 on Sept 24, 2008 16:37:13 GMT -5
4.89 40 at combine
now that is some blazing speed
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Post by Ducky on Sept 24, 2008 16:37:19 GMT -5
yes i know he rushed for 18tds and 210 yards dont try and make him sound fast... he had average at best speed lol never said he's fast, but I'd say he's mobile enough to create space or run if needed. Matt Ryan had like 30 yards in his 4 year career at BC. Regardless, Detroit Lions/Matt Millen suck.
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Post by Ducky on Sept 24, 2008 16:38:22 GMT -5
4.89 40 at combine now that is some blazing speed Didn't Tom Brady run like a 5.3? lol
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